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Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Covey on December 07, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
Really interesting Shane seems not out side the relm of possiblity, if i came across a 100k (down the back of the couch) i would def take a punt, aww but to dream :D
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Partridge9 on December 09, 2012, 09:50:22 AM
Great Q & A  Shane - Nice work
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Will_D on December 09, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
QuoteGreat Q & A  Shane - Nice work

Plus one plaudit

Does look like Shane is talking to himself a bit more these days!!

Will
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Will_D on December 09, 2012, 10:24:36 AM
QuoteReally interesting Shane seems not out side the relm of possiblity, if i came across a 100k (down the back of the couch) i would def take a punt, aww but to dream :D

I think Shane was making the point that you don't need it.

Still going to check my old sofa!!

Will
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: nigel_c on March 20, 2013, 06:20:43 PM
Nice Q&A. Anyone got any other pearls of wisdom to add?
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Tom on March 21, 2013, 12:37:02 PM
Yep, you'll need mains water (easy enough) but MAINS SEWER is the big one.
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: johnrm on March 21, 2013, 01:43:53 PM
You will need a few pigs.
1. They love spent grain.
2. Pork Scratchings.
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Blackbrew on March 22, 2013, 11:46:02 AM
Does anyone know or have a link to more details on the rebate and rules around getting this?
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Will_D on March 22, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
As we all know Revenue and in particular the Alcohol department are a bit anal when it comes to giving out information. Its as if the want to discourage new start ups.

Sureley there must be a government department that tries to encourage initiatives/wealth creators/exportors.

So why don't we as the major representatives of "home brewers who wish to expand" contact Enterprise Ireland or whoever (small buisness scheme?) and get them to build an information bridge into Reveunue (Dept C2H5OH)

Any one fancy taking this on?
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: rollout on March 22, 2013, 12:37:47 PM
A bit of info on the rebate here: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/excise/leaflets/pn1888.html
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Beerdoh on March 22, 2013, 04:39:03 PM
Sorry to hi-jack slightly, but, if the duty on a pint is about €0.50, and the ingredients going into said pint make the total about €0.55 (probably less) - why do I pay roughly ten times that amount to get one in the pub?
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Hop Bomb on March 22, 2013, 04:59:24 PM
QuoteSorry to hi-jack slightly, but, if the duty on a pint is about €0.50, and the ingredients going into said pint make the total about €0.55 (probably less) - why do I pay roughly ten times that amount to get one in the pub?

Capitalism.
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Beerdoh on March 22, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
Quote
QuoteSorry to hi-jack slightly, but, if the duty on a pint is about €0.50, and the ingredients going into said pint make the total about €0.55 (probably less) - why do I pay roughly ten times that amount to get one in the pub?

Capitalism.

WTF!? 1000% @capitalism though!
Ok, VAT at 23%
Logistics 15% (at most!)
What else?
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Tucan on March 22, 2013, 05:14:47 PM
@Beerdoh you can have a word with Flash tomorrow.
But I think with rent,insurance,heat,light,staf wages,rates and other overheads the profit margins aren't huge.
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Beerdoh on March 22, 2013, 05:17:42 PM
QuoteA 50-litre (88 pint) keg of good beer costs about €160 wholesale, with stout being a bit less. That's €1.82 a pint. Publican sells it for €4.06+VAT retail (i.e. €5), leaving them with a gross margin of €2.24.

Out of that there could be a load of things to be paid, including high rent and high rates. Then again they might not be high. If the question you're really asking is "is there price gouging going on" then answer is it depends. In some cases yes, no in others. Only a proper consumer organisation could answer that in general terms... where have that new crowd gone?

Fair point, but with the initial cost of production being so low, and even into the publican's taps - i'm astounded that it is that price... I guess it's more in relative terms that i'm speaking as well - I understand that there's always money to be paid for value added service (turning malt, hops and yeast into beer, for instance) - but it just seems exorbitant to pay 10 times the amount it costs to make.
I work in the electronics industry - it's the only industry I know where parts are now smaller, faster and more efficient, and yet prices get lower and lower - how the hell do other industries manage to get away with hiking prices higher and higher!? Petrol is another example - it cost about €0.20 to produce a liter of petrol and yet we're paying €1.60+ for it!?

Is it me, or is the general consumer just easy money!?  :-/
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Beerdoh on March 22, 2013, 05:19:47 PM
Quote@Beerdoh you can have a word with Flash tomorrow.
But I think with rent,insurance,heat,light,staf wages,rates and other overheads the profit margins aren't huge.

Why don't we just start having the meets at Metalman in Tycor so!? No duty to be paid if it doesn't leave the brewery after all!  ;D
Title: Re: FAQ: Starting a microbrewery in Ireland
Post by: Beerdoh on March 22, 2013, 05:29:35 PM
QuoteThe celtic tiger has a lot to answer for in so many ways.

A pub that was leased or bought beginning in 2007 with low turnover would struggle to survive. Think stuff like upward only rent reviews or a huge unserviceable mortgage now that business has dropped. You can look up the rateable valuataions online, but for example a friend of mine owns a 1500 sq ft office in a block that's empty. His office is empty too, but he has to pay €28,000 a year in rates. He pays water rates too!

OTOH a pub that was leased or bought in 2000 and rams the kids in at the weekends... well good chance the owner has a nice property or two abroad.

Yea, true - taking that into consideration, guess paying a fiver a pint is the only way they can afford to operate. I suppose I was always of the opinion (wrongly, in fairness) that a lot of the price came down to duty incurred!