Any interest for doing another mill group buy?
I could do with one. What kind of price did the last few come in at?
Millars B3 mill came in at €140.
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,2776.0.html
Start a list of interest. :)
For a newbie whats the difference between the Millars mill and this one ?
http://www.homebrewwest.ie/adjustable-roller-maltmill-brewferm-including-brewferm-bucket-2920-p.asp
It's meant to be pretty good, discussed here...
http://nationalhomebrewclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=2957.0
Chalk me down
Quote from: Il Tubo on August 31, 2013, 11:22:14 PM
I'm gonna write up a review fairly shortly. Brouland via HBW is my current favourite mill.
http://www.homebrewwest.ie/maltmill-in-cast-iron-from-brouwland-2688-p.asp
If that's the one you mean Tube that's been out of stock forever, at least a couple of months, i have been watching. Just on a quick look i see little if any diff between that and the other one here for 20 euro less, am i missing something ? ;D
http://www.homebrewwest.ie/grain-mill-1546-p.asp
Seems like that extra 20 squid gets you a 5 year warranty ;)
They're the same. EUR40 is the right price.
Quote from: johnrm on September 01, 2013, 11:45:25 AM
Seems like that extra 20 squid gets you a 5 year warranty ;)
They're the same. EUR40 is the right price.
Is there a mistake on the price of the Brouwland one on HBW John because its been that price all year?
The OP was about a roller mill.
The last couple of posts are discussing the much cheaper "Corona" mill
Quote from: deadman1972 on August 31, 2013, 07:59:54 PM
For a newbie whats the difference between the Millars mill and this one ?
http://www.homebrewwest.ie/adjustable-roller-maltmill-brewferm-including-brewferm-bucket-2920-p.asp
At first glasnce not a lot both are roller mills and are the DogsB*** when it comes to milling
Quote from: Will_D on September 01, 2013, 11:52:40 AM
The OP was about a roller mill.
The last couple of posts are discussing the much cheaper "Corona" mill
Fair enough but Tube did say Brouwland and the cast iron one is the only BVrouwland one showing on HBW thats why i got mixed up :D
I think he meant "Brewferm" mill
and the two other mills look identical just pay 20 extra for a 5 tear gaurantee! But it OOS so they don't want to offer the gaurantee!!
That's a great price, gonna get me one of those. It beats the corona.
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I am really tempted at a roller mill but regularly getting 80%+ efficiency from my corona and I keep asking myself why?
Quote from: Ciderhead on September 01, 2013, 02:36:30 PM
I am really tempted at a roller mill but regularly getting 80%+ efficiency from my corona and I keep asking myself why?
When you say 80% how are you calculating that figure CH ? At that efficiency allright it makes little sense to me to lash another 90 euro for a fancy roller mill, unless you were grinding massive grain bills on a regular basis :)
I don't beersmith does it for me
starting off, spend your money elsewhere
Quote from: Il Tubo on September 01, 2013, 06:05:31 PM
Apparently a roller will give you better flavour as you can adjust the amount by which the husks are shredded.
Lmfaol go on outta that, cracked is cracked,
Corona mills do perform much better with the mods, I can adjust the thickness on my corona as well to the point I can get uncracked husks coming through if I wanted too.
What a roller mill allows you to do is crush with less damage to the husk and retain structure so that when mashing, its better for filtration and avoidance of a stuck sparge, some get around this with rice huls?. I have been really lucky with my manifold and never had a stuck sparge thank god, and now that I herms, clarity is not an issue now either.
In summary absolutely buy a roller mill longer term, starting out save your pennies.
Nice vid btw but no commentary?
Rollers do a lot less damage to the hull than coronas which pretty much shred them. I'd say it's true. I'd also say the tubemeister will have noticed with the amount of lagers he does.
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"Defo tastes better from a roller mill" isn't exactly scientific thats just a personal opinion and how did you know it was the mill that was the difference.
The maltsters use multiple stage rollers or wet mill because for commercial reasons they can crack quicker with more uniformity, but its absolutely nothing to do with taste.
Corona milling if done properly do not shred grain if you over shred you get flour as in this article
"too many fine particles gum up the works, slowing down the lauter and increasing leaching time for tannins and other harsh or astringent flavor notes."
http://byo.com/stories/item/1166-motorize-your-grain-mill-projects
If you were getting tannins or astringent taste then it was over crushed
Have a read of this 13 year old article, which is still valid.
http://byo.com/stories/item/717-great-grain-crack-the-mystery-of-the-crush
More interestingly I read somewhere (can't find it now but will keep searching)about an experiment on the speed of the drill where the rpm in shredding rather than crushing is important.
On my milling a nice steady constant speed rather than try to rip though it asap.
I have done close to 25 pilsners and several kolschs and golden ales and never had any of the above flavours, I always check the crush each time but never had a variation problem in the crush post modifications.
As I said above if you are starting out Corona, and if you feel you want to go to the next level then the B3 Millar or a 3D crankenstein roller mill is your next move.
Quote from: Il Tubo on September 01, 2013, 10:15:59 PMThe ONE thing I will say is that if starting with a corona and upgrading, it will leave you with a redundant corona when you do upgrade. You'd probably sell it handy enough, but why bother with that step at all, and just start with a roller.
This is the way I'm looking at it.
Appreciate all the discussion lads. I'll wait to read Tube's review on the Brewferm mill before making any decisions.
Quote from: Il Tubo on September 01, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
The ONE thing I will say is that if starting with a corona and upgrading, it will leave you with a redundant corona when you do upgrade. You'd probably sell it handy enough, but why bother with that step at all, and just start with a roller.
I can think of 90 Euro worth of reasons ;D
Lads. Did any of you go for the roller mill. I wouldn't mind getting in on this deal if its not too late??
Slippy you need to be a member to partake in group buys and use NHC bank account so that should be your starting point.
I'd certainly be interested if there's another list put together (post Il Tubo review and all that)
Quote from: Il Tubo on September 09, 2013, 12:15:34 PM
Review is going to the front page on Wednesday iirc.
Yep.
Great review.
Downside, as a Cavan man, is you've probably covinced me with the need to spend money >:( >:(
BrouWland
http://www.brouwland.com/en/
Great review Tube. Hope the cat in the first picture wasn't better acquainted with the mill!
Any opinions on the durability compared to the other mills? The M3 attracts me because it looks very durable and long lasting.
Nice review on the front page
Do all those freebies from HBC's get raffled to members after the review ;)
Btw where do you get that catlick adjuct, I must get some, and there was me thinking it was Bramling X the whole time ;D
Think I'm gonna buy the Brewferm, bit annoying that it's €10 more from the HBC compared to HBW. Putting an order in with HBC for a mashtun + other bits though so not sure if I'd be arsed with doing 2 orders for the sake of saving about a fiver (once delivery is factored in). :/
Quote from: Il Tubo on September 18, 2013, 10:00:22 AM
Ask them will they price match? AFAIK, they're all coming in via HBW's wholesale section anyway.
Got a response back saying he doesn't get them off the same people as HBW so can't price match.