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Title: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: snapscrackle on October 09, 2013, 09:59:47 AM
Looking to buy 1 or more 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys.
Thanks.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 09, 2013, 10:33:52 AM
Have been looking for one or more of these myself, not the easiest thing to get without importing from USA.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Rossa on October 09, 2013, 01:19:43 PM
Group buy?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on October 09, 2013, 02:07:36 PM
Meet too on a GB!? :-\
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: snapscrackle on October 09, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
Good idea. From where I wonder?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Metattron on October 09, 2013, 03:06:08 PM
6 US Gallons = 5 real gallons...  is that what you mean?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on October 09, 2013, 03:42:02 PM
Ideally the from where is:  The closer the better!!

So I have send a query to an Irish supplier to see what comes out of it and requested a combined Carboy and carrying handle price.

So, to that end and not intending to stand on toes let a list commence

1. Damun 2   
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Metattron on October 09, 2013, 03:52:52 PM
Mybeerandwine.ie still have the 5 gallon carboys listed, if that's what you're looking for.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 09, 2013, 04:46:02 PM
25 litre, wide neck carboy. anybody interested in this? Roughly €23 + delivery €?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 09, 2013, 06:31:00 PM
Alealex is that just the one or can you get more of those ?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 10, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
Just thinking of buying one Greg. This or 54litre one in plastic protection bin, €27 + delivery charge €? Will upload pics later. Delivery per item is €20. Cheaper on gb.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on October 10, 2013, 09:12:02 AM
I'm Interested too in the wide neck version, easy clean!!
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 10, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: alealex on October 10, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
Just thinking of buying one Greg. This or 54litre one in plastic protection bin, €27 + delivery charge €? Will upload pics later. Delivery per item is €20. Cheaper on gb.

I would be interested too at that price alealex. I have one question though, looking at both those pictures i am wondering how airtight is that twist on lid and that setup for installing the blow off tube ? Even a mini group but would be nice on this. Cheers. ;D
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 10, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Just to give you an idea what it looks like. 34 litre one with wide neck (130mm) €35-37 + delivery, comes with airtight cap and plastic bin. Thats the biggest of wide necks.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 10, 2013, 11:17:26 PM
Here is the biggest of all. 54litre carboy at the price of €27-30 + shipping (Yes cheaper than 34litre wide neck) comes with bin.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 10, 2013, 11:27:59 PM
Quote from: Greg2013 on October 10, 2013, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: alealex on October 10, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
Just thinking of buying one Greg. This or 54litre one in plastic protection bin, €27 + delivery charge €? Will upload pics later. Delivery per item is €20. Cheaper on gb.

I would be interested too at that price alealex. I have one question though, looking at both those pictures i am wondering how airtight is that twist on lid and that setup for installing the blow off tube ? Even a mini group but would be nice on this. Cheers. ;D
It's designed to be airtight and lid has a silicone seal. The lid itself is an airlock just fill midle part with water. This is like massive jar and comes with harness.
To be honest 54litre one is to big for my needs anyway. will go with the flow cos any of the wide neck is good with me.
We'll see what interest does it gain.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 10, 2013, 11:32:48 PM
Yes the 54 litre is way too big for my needs as well but definitely interested in the smaller of the two.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on October 11, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
50 euros ( budget) per vessel seems fair for Vessel, airlock and carrying system. I'm in for 2. I started a list . down this post but I'll start it again

1. Damun 2 34 ltr
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 11, 2013, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: DaMun on October 11, 2013, 09:45:07 AM
50 euros ( budget) per vessel seems fair for Vessel, airlock and carrying system. I'm in for 2. I started a list . down this post but I'll start it again

1. Damun 2 34 ltr

Are we definitely talking about only getting the 34 litre ? The 25lt is more appealing to me tbh, i would  put my name down for two of those.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: snapscrackle on October 11, 2013, 10:49:00 AM
Alex,
I'd be interested in the following:

1. 25L x 2
2. 54L x 1

Not sure if there is a list here but put me in the line.
Thanks.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 11, 2013, 11:18:14 AM
1. Da Mun 2 x 34 ltr.

2. Snapcrackle 2 x 25 ltr + 1 x 54 ltr.

3. Greg2013 2 x 25 ltr.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: snapscrackle on October 11, 2013, 11:20:07 AM
1. Da Mun 2 x 34 ltr.

2. Snapcrackle 2 x 25 ltr

3. Greg2013 2 x 25 ltr.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on October 11, 2013, 11:26:17 AM
This is an expressions of interest list, and added yer requests ,

If we see how many we want and get a combined shipping cost. We can then divide the shipping by the number of vessels and each member pays their fraction per vessel of shipping and each vessel is an equal fraction of the shipping regardless of size!!! OK??   

                               54 litre    34 lr       25lr
1. Damun                  0            2             2
2. Snapscrackle        0            0             2
3. Greg                     2            0             0

Copy the table into your reply and add or modify!
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: JimmyM on October 11, 2013, 11:39:16 AM


                             54 litre    34 lr       25lr
1. Damun                  0            2             2
2. Snapscrackle        0            0             2
3. Greg                     2            0             0
4. JimmyM                 0           1             0
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on October 11, 2013, 03:52:10 PM
@alealex
What are the heights and widths of the 3 options? I need to know as I want to see what I can fit into my under counter fermentation fridge.
Thanks.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 12, 2013, 12:23:27 PM
Sent few emails to the supliers, but didn't get reply on it yet.
Will check courier company early next week.
Only know that 54litre one is h=72cm d=50cm
I'll keep you up to date next week.
Sorry for not replying earlier, I'm busy as bee  ;D
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damofto on October 12, 2013, 08:27:12 PM
                             54 litre    34 lr       25lr
1. Damun                  0            2             2
2. Snapscrackle          0            0             2
3. Greg                      2            0             0
4. JimmyM                 0            1             0
5. Il Tubo                   0            0             1
6. Damofto                1            0              0
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 12, 2013, 08:42:42 PM
                              54 litre    34 lr       25lr
1. Damun                  0            2             2
2. Snapscrackle          0            0             2
3. Greg                      0            0             2
4. JimmyM                 0            1             0
5. Il Tubo                   0            0             1
6. Damofto                1            0              0

Only noticed now somebody had me down for two of the 54lt ones instead of the 25lt ones ???
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on October 12, 2013, 08:47:59 PM
I'd be all over the large ones for my beers, but they are too tall for my fermentation freezer. :-(

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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoghan on October 13, 2013, 02:00:49 AM
                              54 litre    34 lr       25lr
1. Damun                  0            2             2
2. Snapscrackle          0            0             2
3. Greg                      0            0             2
4. JimmyM                 0            1             0
5. Il Tubo                   0            0             1
6. Damofto                1            0              0
7. Eoghan                0           0              2
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 14, 2013, 12:31:49 PM
Can anybody stick my name on the list for 1 x 34 litre carboy, please?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 15, 2013, 09:44:59 PM
25litre carboy: D 30cm, H 41cm
34litre one: D37cm, H 49cm

Cheers!
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on October 15, 2013, 10:20:02 PM
                         54L   34L   25L
1. Damun            0      2      2
2. Snapscrackle    0      0      2
3. Greg               0      0      2
4. JimmyM          0       1      0
5. Il Tubo            0      0      1
6. Damofto          1      0      0
7. Eoghan           0       0     2
8. AleAlex           0       1     0
9. Acaoshes        0       0      2

Sorry for turning neat columns into wobbily ones.
@alealex thanks for the measurements.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on October 15, 2013, 11:22:23 PM

                         54L   34L   25L
1. Damun            0      2      2
2. Snapscrackle    0      0      2
3. Greg               0      0      2
4. JimmyM          0       1      0
5. Il Tubo            0      0      1
6. Damofto          1      0      0
7. Eoghan           0       0     2
8. AleAlex           0       1     0
9. Acaoshes        0       0      2
10.EoinMag.        2.      0.     0

I can't resist those fermenters at those prices. Good for large wines and ciders if nothing else.

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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: David on October 16, 2013, 07:37:41 PM


                      54L   34L   25L
1. Damun         0     2     2
2. Snapscrackle  0     0     2
3. Greg          0     0     2
4. JimmyM        0     1     0
5. Il Tubo       0     0     1
6. Damofto       1     0     0
7. Eoghan        0     0     2
8. AleAlex       0     1     0
9. acaoshes      0     0     2
10. Eoin          2     0     0[/tt]
11. David.       0     0      2


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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on October 18, 2013, 02:25:35 AM



                      54L   34L   25L
1. Damun         0     2     2
2. Snapscrackle  0     0     2
3. Greg          0     0     2
4. JimmyM        0     1     0
5. Il Tubo       0     0     1
6. Damofto       1     0     0
7. Eoghan        0     0     2
8. AleAlex       0     1     0
9. acaoshes      0     0     2
10. Eoin          4    0     0[/tt]
11. David.       0     0      2

I altered my order as the brother wants to start brewing.


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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Taf on October 18, 2013, 09:19:57 AM
                     54L   34L   25L
1. Damun         0     2     2
2. Snapscrackle  0     0     2
3. Greg          0     0     2
4. JimmyM        0     1     0
5. Il Tubo       0     0     1
6. Damofto       1     0     0
7. Eoghan        0     0     2
8. AleAlex       0     1     0
9. acaoshes      0     0     2
10. Eoin          4    0     0[/tt]
11. David.       0     0      2
12. Taf            0     1      0

I'll go for one of these as well.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Cambrinus on October 19, 2013, 09:31:45 PM
                     54L   34L   25L
1. Damun         0     2     2
2. Snapscrackle  0     0     2
3. Greg          0     0     2
4. JimmyM        0     1     0
5. Il Tubo       0     0     1
6. Damofto       1     0     0
7. Eoghan        0     0     2
8. AleAlex       0     1     0
9. acaoshes      0     0     2
10. Eoin          4    0     0[/tt]
11. David.       0     0      2
12. Taf            0     1      0
13. Cambrinus  0     1      1

One of each of the smaller ones please
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: CARA on October 19, 2013, 09:41:41 PM

                     54L   34L   25L
1. Damun         0     2     2
2. Snapscrackle  0     0     2
3. Greg          0     0     2
4. JimmyM        0     1     0
5. Il Tubo       0     0     1
6. Damofto       1     0     0
7. Eoghan        0     0     2
8. AleAlex       0     1     0
9. acaoshes      0     0     2
10. Eoin          4    0     0[/tt]
11. David.       0     0      2
12. Taf            0     1      0
13. Cambrinus  0     1      1
14. CARA.         0.    0.     2
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on October 22, 2013, 08:22:14 PM
Lads can this be split out into a proper group buy thread? It's a bit too buried here.

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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 22, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Good idea Eoin, can mods move it to where it should be - GB section.
Seems like it can only be sent on the pallet(s) because 54 litre ones are bit problematic..
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on October 22, 2013, 11:29:29 PM
Moved and I'm in.

                    54L   34L   25L
1. Damun         0     2     2
2. Snapscrackle  0     0     2
3. Greg          0     0     2
4. JimmyM        0     1     0
5. Il Tubo       0     0     1
6. Damofto       1     0     0
7. Eoghan        0     0     2
8. AleAlex       0     1     0
9. acaoshes      0     0     2
10. Eoin          4    0     0[/tt]
11. David.       0     0      2
12. Taf            0     1      0
13. Cambrinus  0     1      1
14. CARA.         0.    0.     2
15. Saruman     0.    1.     0
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: lordarpad on October 22, 2013, 11:46:55 PM
                   54L   34L   25L
1. Damun         0     2     2
2. Snapscrackle  0     0     2
3. Greg          0     0     2
4. JimmyM        0     1     0
5. Il Tubo       0     0     1
6. Damofto       1     0     0
7. Eoghan        0     0     2
8. AleAlex       0     1     0
9. acaoshes      0     0     2
10. Eoin          4    0     0[/tt]
11. David.       0     0      2
12. Taf            0     1      0
13. Cambrinus  0     1      1
14. CARA.         0.    0.     2
15. Saruman     0.    1.     0
16. lordarpad    1     1      0
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 24, 2013, 05:13:24 AM
Guys,

Brian from HomeBrewWest offered help on this one. As shipping of the product is lets say 'delicate', carboys are taking lots of space but weight is little, it has to be shipped on pallets. Price per item may be around €15-20  :(  but I'm still working to get it down to €10-15  :)
Brouwland, via HBW offers:

~25 litre wide neck

http://www.brouwland.com/setframes/?l=&to=http%3A//www.brouwland.com/shop/catproducts.asp%3Fcfid%3D4%26id%3D456%26pid%3D455&shwlnk=0

~54 litre normal opening

http://www.brouwland.com/setframes/?l=&to=http%3A//www.brouwland.com/shop/catproducts.asp%3Fcfid%3D4%26id%3D456%26pid%3D455&shwlnk=0

~34 litre wide neck is not on Brouwland offer, but has 34 normal opening.

As you can see 34l and 25l are not exactly what we were aiming for but 54l is very same.
Brian is asking for prompt reply as his Brouland order is ready to go. It's a group buy so I think is fair to give group answer.
I think it's very best offer for at least 54 litre ones regarding price and shipping.
Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to leave anybody out but courier companies are taking it as not insured product (means if it makes the trip you have it if doesn't we're sorry, no money back). Thats only my opinion on this subject.
Please tell us what you think, keep in mind Brian has limited time to add this to his order.

Cheers, Alex.

Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Taf on October 24, 2013, 06:07:09 AM
I'm really after the 34 in the wideneck, as want easy access, and 25 litre is too small and 54 too big, so don't really fancy the brouland offerings personally, although others might.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on October 24, 2013, 08:10:53 AM
                              54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                 €27-30 + shipping   €35-37 + delivery   €23 + delivery
1. Damun                                  0                        3                             4
2. Snapscrackle                    0                           0                             2
3. Greg                                    0                        0                             2
4. JimmyM                                  0                        1                             0
5. Il Tubo                                  0                        0                             1
6. Damofto                          1                        0                             0
7. Eoghan                           0                        0                             2
8. AleAlex                                 0                        1                             0
9. acaoshes                         0                        0                             2
10. Eoin                                     4                        0                             0
11. David.                                  0                        0                             2
12. Taf                                       0                        1                             0
13. Cambrinus                     0                        1                             1
14. CARA.                            0                        0                             2
15. Saruman                        0                        1                             0
16. lordarpad                       1                        1                           0
         
                                           6                        8                            18


We could split out the 54s (with baskets) and go to HBW for a price?? Brian can you give us a price in the 54s collected from Galway?

I'd still be keen on getting wide neck ones, but again Brian if you can source widenecks  get us a price? 
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: MisterBurns on October 24, 2013, 08:23:06 AM
If it's not too late to join .....


                             54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                 €27-30 + shipping   €35-37 + delivery   €23 + delivery
1. Damun                             0                       3                             4
2. Snapscrackle                   0                        0                             2
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10. Eoin                               4                        0                             0
11. David.                            0                        0                             2
12. Taf                                 0                        1                             0
13. Cambrinus                     0                        1                             1
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15. Saruman                        0                        1                             0
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on October 24, 2013, 08:32:19 AM
GB's go on and On and Onnnnnn... Mister B never too late!
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 24, 2013, 09:14:49 AM
Cheers to Brian yet again. Only thing i seem to remember the original ones were only around 25 euro for the 25 litre and the Brouwland ones are double that at 45 euro aprox. That's a big jump in price for me. Am i miscalculating or is that right ?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on October 24, 2013, 09:56:42 AM
Quote from: alealex on October 10, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
Just to give you an idea what it looks like. 34 litre one with wide neck (130mm) €35-37 + delivery, comes with airtight cap and plastic bin. Thats the biggest of wide necks.

This is the one I am interested in, for that price but if it's going to escalate and/or can't get the wide neck then I will not be interested in it. I'm also not happy with the risk of getting nothing but shattered glass  :-\
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on October 24, 2013, 02:14:17 PM
Do the caps and airlocks come with the Brouwland 25 litre ones ?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 24, 2013, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: Il Tubo on October 24, 2013, 02:11:05 PM
I got the 250 NHC drinking glasses, which are quite fragile, delivered on a pallet from England, and not one was broken!
Theres quite a difference between 54 litre carboy and 250ml glass. There's also price difference and I wonder if it's worth to take a chance  :-\
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on October 30, 2013, 03:08:33 PM
What's the latest status of this group buy?
Is the main issue just with shipping insurance? And if so do we have a final answer on that?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on October 30, 2013, 03:11:18 PM
None of the courier companies want to deliver 54 litre carboys :(
34 litre ones can be delivered to the door for the price of €20
Good news on the 25 litre ones, two of them can be delivered to the door for €20
DPD takes no responsibility for any glass products in the parcells but seller says he's sending few hundreds carboys in the season with hardly any complaints  :-\  in other words packed well with double layers of bubble wrap, etc, etc
Any thoughts on this one?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on October 30, 2013, 03:30:36 PM
I'm willing to proceed on the basis that the carboys are well wrapped and understand the liability (and shipping) is mine.
Barring further clarification maybe everyone can make up their minds on their risk appetite?
Maybe those who wish to withdraw can delete their names from this list and the remainder are those willing to proceed?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on October 30, 2013, 03:36:10 PM
I'll withdraw sorry. Also thinking about the space in storing another carboy in the tiny house I have. Perhaps in the future....

                             54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                 €27-30 + shipping   €35-37 + delivery   €23 + delivery
1. Damun                             0                       3                             4
2. Snapscrackle                   0                        0                             2
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10. Eoin                               4                        0                             0
11. David.                            0                        0                             2
12. Taf                                 0                        1                             0
13. Cambrinus                     0                        1                             1
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Cambrinus on October 30, 2013, 03:53:23 PM
I also pull out, sorry lads.

      54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                 €27-30 + shipping   €35-37 + delivery   €23 + delivery
1. Damun                             0                       3                             4
2. Snapscrackle                    0                        0                             2
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10. Eoin                               4                        0                             0
11. David.                            0                        0                             2
12. Taf                                 0                        1                             0
13. CARA.                            0                        0                             2
14. lordarpad                       1                        1                            0
15. MisterBurns                    0                        0                            2   

         
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damofto on October 30, 2013, 08:22:07 PM

If the 54 litres are out then I will go for a 34, thanks for following up Alex


                                 54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                 €27-30 + shipping   €35-37 + delivery   €23 + delivery
1. Damun                             0                       3                             4
2. Snapscrackle                    0                        0                             2
3. Greg                                0                        0                             2
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5. Il Tubo                             0                        0                             1
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10. Eoin                               4                        0                             0
11. David.                            0                        0                             2
12. Taf                                 0                        1                             0
13. CARA.                            0                        0                             2
14. lordarpad                       1                        1                            0
15. MisterBurns                    0                        0                            2   

         
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Taf on October 31, 2013, 10:39:48 AM
Considering the price on the shipping, I would like to change to 2 x 25 litre, as probably just as practical, as will probably ferment in something else, and just bulk age in these. Can someone else update the list for me please?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on October 31, 2013, 10:56:16 AM
                                       54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                       Not Available     €35-37 + 20 delivery    €23 + 20 delivery (up to 2 per 20 ) 
1. Damun                             0                       2                             4
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10. David.                            0                        0                             2
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12. CARA.                            0                        0                             2
13. lordarpad                       1                        1                            0
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Added shipping to headers and reduced my 34l to 2

Taf I removed 1 34 and added 2 25s for you!!
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on November 06, 2013, 11:33:07 AM
Does Eoin or Lordarpad wish to change their orders wrt 54L carboys? as the delivery companies won't deliver them.
Any other changes by anybody else? Not meaning to be pushy but looking forward to getting my carboys.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: snapscrackle on November 06, 2013, 12:04:50 PM
Despite starting this, I'm going to bail out too. Sorry. Found a different solution. This is obviously something people need at the moment though!Total adjusted accordingly.

                                 54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                       Not Available     €35-37 + 20 delivery    €23 + 20 delivery (up to 2 per 20 ) 
1. Damun                             0                       2                             4
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12. CARA.                            0                        0                             2
13. lordarpad                       1                        1                            0
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: MisterBurns on November 06, 2013, 09:21:39 PM
Guys got a gift of a couple of these so I'm out- I've update the totals

                                 54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                       Not Available     €35-37 + 20 delivery    €23 + 20 delivery (up to 2 per 20 ) 
1. Damun                             0                       2                             4
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: David on November 06, 2013, 09:53:12 PM
I'm happy to go with my order


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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damofto on November 06, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
 
I'm going to opt out as well sorry, I was only really interested in the 54 litre


54L narrow neck        34L wide neck      25L wide neck
                                       Not Available     €35-37 + 20 delivery    €23 + 20 delivery (up to 2 per 20 ) 
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11. CARA.                            0                        0                             2
12. lordarpad                       1                        1                            0
 
         
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on November 07, 2013, 08:57:19 PM
Lads,
I'm still waiting for the seller to come back to me with few details. Never got the response to two emails. Rang them yesterday, guy responsible for our order is on sick leave.. speechless. Nobody else had much interest doing job for him.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on November 07, 2013, 10:59:30 PM
@Alealex
Thanks for the follow up. I appreciate it.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Bzfeale80 on November 07, 2013, 11:08:22 PM
If its no too late to get in on this I would like to get 2 * 25ltr fermenters. Adjusted totals below:

                                 54L narrow neck        34L wide neck               25L wide neck
                                       Not Available     €35-37 + 20 delivery    €23 + 20 delivery (up to 2 per 20 )
1. Damun                             0                       2                             4
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6. AleAlex                             0                        1                             0
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10. Taf                                  0                         0                            2
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on November 08, 2013, 11:31:20 AM
                                54L narrow neck        34L wide neck               25L wide neck
                                       Not Available     €35-37 + 20 delivery    €23 + 20 delivery (up to 2 per 20 )
1. Damun                             0                       2                             4
2. Snapscrackle                   0                        0                             0
3. Greg                                0                        0                             2
4. JimmyM                            0                        1                             0
5. Eoghan                            0                        0                             2
6. AleAlex                             0                        0                             2
7. acaoshes                         0                        0                             2
8. Eoin                                 4                        0                             0
9. David.                              0                        0                             2
10. Taf                                  0                         0                            2
11. CARA.                              0                        0                            2
12. lordarpad                        1                        1                            0
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Damien M on November 08, 2013, 11:44:27 AM
                             54L narrow neck        34L wide neck               25L wide neck
                                       Not Available     €35-37 + 20 delivery    €23 + 20 delivery (up to 2 per 20 )
1. Damun                             0                       0                             4
2. Snapscrackle                   0                        0                             0
3. Greg                                0                        0                             2
4. JimmyM                            0                        1                             0
5. Eoghan                            0                        0                             2
6. AleAlex                             0                        0                             2
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8. Eoin                                 4                        0                             0
9. David.                              0                        0                             2
10. Taf                                  0                         0                            2
11. CARA.                              0                        0                            2
12. lordarpad                        1                        1                            0
13. Bzfeale80                        0                        0                            2
         
                                             0                        2                           20
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on November 09, 2013, 11:09:18 PM
Cracow, Poland.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on November 10, 2013, 12:55:48 PM
Seems like the're fairly busy this time of the year. Not too worry, we'll get there. I don't think irish companys have poor customer service (I've seen worse) it's all down to fusy customers  ;D
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Bzfeale80 on November 29, 2013, 09:23:28 AM
alex any joy getting in touch with the seller since?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on November 29, 2013, 03:59:46 PM
I've no time, money and patience for all this phone calls, it's a shame but it all stops at the shipping insurance point.
I personally don't fancy getting shattered carboy  :'( or rather don't fancy chancing it without insurance.
Seller says theres very few accidents regarding glass carboys but no courier company wants to insure this product on international routes.
Don't know what to do  :-\
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on November 29, 2013, 04:41:32 PM
Thanks for efforts also. Can only suggest that everyone who wants to proceed does so on the firm understanding that shipment is not insured.

After that the outcome has nothing to do with you Alex.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on November 29, 2013, 05:59:37 PM
Thanks for understanding, just out of my hands. Since monday I'm waiting for the reply of some german courier called Shroeder. We'll see.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Bzfeale80 on November 29, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
Quote from: alealex on November 29, 2013, 03:59:46 PM
I've no time, money and patience for all this phone calls, it's a shame but it all stops at the shipping insurance point.
I personally don't fancy getting shattered carboy  :'( or rather don't fancy chancing it without insurance.
Seller says theres very few accidents regarding glass carboys but no courier company wants to insure this product on international routes.
Don't know what to do  :-\

Thanks for all your effort alex regarding this possible group buy of carboys. I agree with your point of view regarding the issue of shipping insurance. I see you mentioned that they are coming from Cracow in Poland. Maybe someone here might know a driver or transport company who regularly make trips between Poland and Ireland who may be able to help in this situation? Just a thought. Again really appreciate all the effort you put in up to this point in time.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 01, 2013, 09:44:43 AM
Here's what I'm planning to do:
I'll order 34litre one and I'll ship it with dpd (no glass insured).
Fingers crossed it'll come in one piece. Will report back what is the package like etc.
If I'm happy with this we can push this gb to it's conclusion. I'm going to order another 2x25litre ones on gb as per list.
If it comes in bits I'll defo regret it greatly :'( but I can't see any other way to push this gb thru to it's end
Lets wish this carboy safe journey!!  ;D
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on December 01, 2013, 11:56:28 AM
Quote from: alealex on December 01, 2013, 09:44:43 AM
Here's what I'm planning to do:
I'll order 34litre one and I'll ship it with dpd (no glass insured).
Fingers crossed it'll come in one piece. Will report back what is the package like etc.
If I'm happy with this we can push this gb to it's conclusion. I'm going to order another 2x25litre ones on gb as per list.
If it comes in bits I'll defo regret it greatly :'( but I can't see any other way to push this gb thru to it's end
Lets wish this carboy safe journey!!  ;D

Definitely a huge risk on your part Alex but it is appreciated by me and the others i am sure :D
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on December 01, 2013, 03:00:14 PM
Thanks Alex
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 01, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
Feck it, I'll take the risk. Have a feeling is not a wise decision to courier it, there must be a reason why brouwland doesn't courier 34 or 54 litre carboys, seems like courier companies are not great enthusiasts of this idea neither.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on December 01, 2013, 08:11:16 PM
I'm willing to take a risk on some 54`s if you get some of the others safely.

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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: David on December 01, 2013, 08:18:53 PM
I think it is only fair if everyone on the list insures Alex's test buy including delivery. It is a test for our group buy so Alex shouldn't take the total hit should things go wrong. It only a small amount if spread among us all.
David


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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on December 01, 2013, 08:45:58 PM
Yep. I agree with underwriting Alex's purchase.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on December 01, 2013, 09:35:15 PM
I am willing to contribute to underwriting alex's buy, i think its only fair after all. ;D
Title: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Ciderhead on December 01, 2013, 09:53:15 PM
Why don't you just order more than you need, if you get no damages result! and they can be sold on, if you do get damages nobody looses out and you should still have enough.
The transport and handling will be totally different for 1 vs a pallet of them which should be better.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on December 01, 2013, 10:01:55 PM
Quote from: CH on December 01, 2013, 09:53:15 PM
Why don't you just order more than you need, if you get no damages result! and they can be sold on, if you do get damages nobody looses out and you should still have enough.
The transport and handling will be totally different for 1 vs a pallet of them which should be better.

Pallet of them probably would be a safer bet actually ;)
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 02, 2013, 01:37:26 PM
Ordered this morn, it will be on its way tomorrow morning, should get it by friday/monday.
Just wanted to speed things up a bit, hate waiting forever.
I agree pallet would be a safer option but I'm not really sure if it's still cheaper  :-\
2x25litre in one parcel @ €29.16 inc vat is cheap and delivered to the door - €14.58 each
We'll get back to it by the end of the week.
By the way 34 litre one was €31.25 @ 1EUR=4.16PLN

@All: Thanks for the good word, thats club unity!
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on December 02, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
Your carboy will be in my thoughts.
Thanks Alex.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Ciderhead on December 02, 2013, 06:01:06 PM
Hope it's not Dpd, just been down my local depot and boxes were being "air freighted" into the back of the van :o


Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Greg2013 on December 02, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
very nearly had 2x 5 gallon ones ordered today for a certain apple beverage, think i will wait a bit longer, thanks Alex. Can i increase my order if i wish ?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Jonnycheech on December 02, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
Hi Alex,

is it still possible to get in on this? Can I add a couple to the list?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 03, 2013, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: CH on December 02, 2013, 06:01:06 PM
Hope it's not Dpd, just been down my local depot and boxes were being "air freighted" into the back of the van :o
Yes, it's dpd. Don't think gls and others are any different.
Quote from: Greg2013 on December 02, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
very nearly had 2x 5 gallon ones ordered today for a certain apple beverage, think i will wait a bit longer, thanks Alex. Can i increase my order if i wish ?
You surely can.
Quote from: johnnycheech on December 02, 2013, 09:52:43 PM
Hi Alex,

is it still possible to get in on this? Can I add a couple to the list?
I can't see why not list is still open, would suggest to wait till I get my broken glass carboy  :)
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on December 03, 2013, 05:12:55 PM
Alex, are 54l 's also still being considered or completely out of the question?

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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 03, 2013, 08:00:06 PM
Why not, probably safer on the pallet then parcel but thats the options to be considered.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Jonnycheech on December 03, 2013, 10:05:17 PM
                              54L narrow neck        34L wide neck               25L wide neck
                                       Not Available     €35-37 + 20 delivery    €23 + 20 delivery (up to 2 per 20 )
1. Damun                             0                       0                             4
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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Ciderhead on December 04, 2013, 09:29:58 PM
I was just looking at a newly launched "big mouth bubbler" on Northern brewer.
It can only be a matter of time before a Homebrew shop starts to sell them here
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on December 05, 2013, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: alealex on December 03, 2013, 08:00:06 PM
Why not, probably safer on the pallet then parcel but thats the options to be considered.

I'm still interested in 4 of them if that's the case, so keep us up to date, thanks a lot for all your efforts on this, it looks like you're doing a bit of work :)
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 11, 2013, 05:48:16 PM
just got the parcel, will post some pics later on..
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on December 11, 2013, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: alealex on December 11, 2013, 05:48:16 PM
just got the parcel, will post some pics later on..

That sounds ominous.....

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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on December 12, 2013, 04:19:07 PM
Put us out of our misery. A success?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 12, 2013, 05:42:14 PM
And here it is
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on December 12, 2013, 05:44:45 PM
Excellent. Looks like a success. Well done!
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 12, 2013, 05:48:31 PM
Not really
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Eoin on December 12, 2013, 06:02:43 PM
Crap!

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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on December 12, 2013, 06:15:10 PM
Crap indeed. What's the compensation procedure in this situation? Does the NHC pay or do we all chip in to repay AleAlex?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: alealex on December 12, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
It's ok lads nobody died, lesson learned. That was yesterday (I'll drink for it this sat night)  :)
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: acaoshes on December 13, 2013, 12:33:54 AM
Ok. Thanks for all your effort Alealex. I appreciate it.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Jonnycheech on December 15, 2013, 04:04:47 PM
Balls. Hard luck Alex!
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: David on December 16, 2013, 09:09:28 PM
Thanks for all the work may your next brew be the nectar of the gods


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Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: cruiscinlan on September 01, 2014, 04:06:19 AM
If a significant numbers here are interested would you consider palletised delivery from the producer in Italy?  http://www.vetrariapescia.it/ or a supplier here http://www.destillatio.de/ or http://www.bouteilles-et-bocaux.com/shop/Bouteilles-bonbonnes/bouteille-bonbonne-25-litres-avec-panier-en-plastique.html
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: bigvalen on September 01, 2014, 09:03:04 PM
Aye, I'd be up for 4.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Simon_ on September 14, 2014, 11:25:13 PM
Yeah could be interested.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Jonnycheech on September 15, 2014, 06:55:10 AM
Would a pallet guarantee their safe arrival?
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Will_D on September 15, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
When you think what is shipped around the world what is sooo special about some big glass bottles??
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Jonnycheech on September 16, 2014, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: Will_D on September 15, 2014, 10:17:06 PM
When you think what is shipped around the world what is sooo special about some big glass bottles??

Sure I agree, but I think there are a lot of variables that cannot be controlled from our end. Like, how well these items are packed and also how much care the shipping company takes with such 'fragile items'? I suppose if the homebrew shops can get them delivered in one piece, there's no reason why we can't either.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: cruiscinlan on September 19, 2014, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnycheech on September 16, 2014, 08:27:08 AM

Sure I agree, but I think there are a lot of variables that cannot be controlled from our end. Like, how well these items are packed and also how much care the shipping company takes with such 'fragile items'? I suppose if the homebrew shops can get them delivered in one piece, there's no reason why we can't either.

One can only imagine that the glass companies themselves are well aware of whats needed to make sure the glass gets to hwere its being sent in good condition.  The main issue seems to be finding the producers of the carboys.  Although I've found the large 54L round type ones I can't seem to find the producers of the 23L straight ones as you see them online.
Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Shaun on May 08, 2015, 06:37:37 PM
The Home brew Company have these: https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/5-gallon-glass-carboy-p-259.html

Title: Re: 6 Gallon Primary Fermentor Glass Carboys
Post by: Shaun on May 08, 2015, 06:41:30 PM
Quote from: Shaun on May 08, 2015, 06:37:37 PM
The Home brew Company have these: https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/5-gallon-glass-carboy-p-259.html

Homebrewwest have them also: http://www.homebrewwest.ie/5-gall-glass-carboy-135-p.asp