Barrel'O'Rebel II - Herd'O'Rebels

[johnrm]

We're shy a few bodies here.
Ideally we would need to see about 12 to allow for fallers/topups.

[mr hoppy]

Are we fixed on WLP007 or S-04 for the yeast?  Havent had great experiences with S-04 but happy to go with the consensus.

WLP007 is dry, it attenuates up to 80%, S-04 (yuck) 75% only and I'd say that would be with plenty of rousing.

http://www.whitelabs.com/yeast-bank/wlp007-dry-english-ale-yeast

http://www.fermentis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SFA_S04.pdf

Don't think we're really looking for esters here either - the likes of Stone use WLP007 and I don't recall Nogne O 100 having much in the way of ester character (more a malt/hop bomb.)

[BrewDorg]

Just listened to the can you brew it episode with this beer. The brewer really emphasised maximising attenuation, so I think 007 is important.

[Dr Horrible]

I thought WLP007 and S04 were liquid and dry versions of the same yeast, didnt realise there was such a difference in performance. Ive no problem using WLP007 but we need to have a dry yeast option as well. If dry and neutral is the aim, would US05 be suitable?

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[dcalnan]

Or notty?

[johnrm]

Interestingly...
Even though the label says "Barley Wine" in the States, the brewery usually says it's brewed to be an IIPA. The American label was supposedly a glitch. In Europe it's sold as an IIPA. But to save the admin crew some time dealing with user feedback, it's listed as a Barley Wine.

From here...
https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/nogne-o-100-batch-100/41915/

[mr hoppy]

Interestingly...
Even though the label says "Barley Wine" in the States, the brewery usually says it's brewed to be an IIPA. The American label was supposedly a glitch. In Europe it's sold as an IIPA. But to save the admin crew some time dealing with user feedback, it's listed as a Barley Wine.

From here...
https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/nogne-o-100-batch-100/41915/

I thought it was an American barleywine when I had it. Definitely not an IIPA / DIPA (to my palate at least anyway).

Or notty?

That's what I thought. Or Mangrove Jacks workhorse (although you might need 3 packs+)

Anyone interested in ordering some of the ingredients together? DCalnan mentioned hops, maybe some of the speciality malts, yeast as well?

[johnrm]

Look at Beoir#1, it started out as DIPA, aged to a nice barley wine

[irish_goat]

Look at Beoir#1, it started out as DIPA, aged to a nice barley wine

That reminds me, must crack a bottle open soon.

[dcalnan]

I've a €50 voucher I'd be happy to use for group ingredients. Unfortunately the delivery would be next week at this stage.

[Cambrinus]

I'm in so...

1. Johnrm - Something Big, Something Bold
2. LordEoin - Nogne 100 clone
3. mr hoppy - same again 
4. Dr. Horrible - Bretta is betta
5. Dcalnan - happy with anything
6. Tommy
7. BrewDorg - on for anything but Nogne 100 clone sounds good
8. Bzfeale80 - happy with anything
9. Cambrinus - Nogne 100 clone is good

[Cambrinus]

Is there any date set for this?
Sort of busy at work so I need to plan this a little....

-F

[Dr Horrible]

We had said the weekend of the 15/16 July for filling the barrel, but seem to be getting the feedback that that's a bit too short notice.  I may not be free the weekend of the 22nd, so I would propose the weekend of the 29/30th July (the weekend before the August bank holiday) for filling the barrel.  I don't think any batches need to be conditioned beforehand, I'm assuming that if you mix batches with different yeasts and attenuations together there's going to be some secondary fermentation going on, so I'll drill out the barrel bung and fit an airlock, so you could possibly even brew the weekend beforehand if absolutely necessary.

[Cambrinus]

I can do that.

[johnrm]

Nogne 100 clone.

Assuming 200l Barrel...

1. Johnrm - 20l
2. LordEoin - 20l
3. mr hoppy - 20l
4. Dr. Horrible - 20l
5. Dcalnan - 20l
6. Tommy - 20l
7. BrewDorg - 20l
8. Bzfeale80 - 20l
9. Cambrinus - 20l

We're still shy 1 body but 20l could be anything up to 23l so we should be good.
Will we need to topup? The Barrel may be thirsty.