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OK everyone ... this is a placeholder for the 2019 National Homebrew Chapmionships.
Feel free to post your comments/suggestions for next years competition.
The Nationals were voted on and the date set for the 2019 Nationals is Saturday March 23rd.
Here's a brewing calendar that should help you figure out the brew schedule for different styles.
"Best time to brew a Trappist Quad for 2019:
November, 2017" ©SlugTrap
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As a judge I'd give a massive thumbs up for Urban Brewing as a venue. And a big thanks to Dempsey for the glassware...
Quote from: Andrew on April 10, 2018, 02:29:09 PM
As a judge I'd give a massive thumbs up for Urban Brewing as a venue. And a big thanks to Dempsey for the glassware...
Absolutely agree with this. Fantastic venue that was central for almost all people travelling into Dublin from afar. Also agree that it would be a shame to go back to plastic cups after having glasses this time around.
Why is the end of February set in stone?
Quote from: delzep on April 10, 2018, 03:55:02 PM
Why is the end of February set in stone?
Because regardless of when in the year it is held it will always inconvenience someone. All brewers know it is held in February, some people like that they have time over the Christmas to brew, others don't. Some people would prefer the nationals to be on in the autumn so they can brew during the summer, some people go on holidays during the summer so it doesn't suit.
***Edit - it's not set in stone by the way***
Pushing it to later in the year to April-June makes the most sense. Avoids the xmas and summer holidays problem.
Well, if its not set in stone I'd like to suggest moving it to April if possible to avoid the busy Christmas period.
Quote from: mick02 on April 10, 2018, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: delzep on April 10, 2018, 03:55:02 PM
Why is the end of February set in stone?
Because regardless of when in the year it is held it will always inconvenience someone. All brewers know it is held in February, some people like that they have time over the Christmas to brew, others don't. Some people would prefer the nationals to be on in the autumn so they can brew during the summer, some people go on holidays during the summer so it doesn't suit.
***Edit - it's not set in stone by the way***
I agree it's hard to please everyone but most people I've spoken to think it's such a bad time. Especially trying to brew over the Xmas when you have family around and other events. Personally I'd push it out later to allow clubs to have time to organize meets after the Xmas period to taste possibly member entries and allow rebrews etc.
Some people have said that it clashes with brewcon in may (which I don't see an issue myself). Surely the best thing is to switch the two. So brewcon in Feb and use the enthusiasm from that to brew for the nationals in May.
Quote from: Boycott on April 10, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
Some people have said that it clashes with brewcon in may (which I don't see an issue myself). Surely the best thing is to switch the two. So brewcon in Feb and use the enthusiasm from that to brew for the nationals in May.
Very good idea. Having it in May
maybe best put up a poll to see what people think.
Quote from: DEMPSEY on April 10, 2018, 05:55:32 PM
maybe best put up a poll to see what people think.
Good idea... I'll sort the poll out when I get to a computer.
Brewcon could also be in in the Autumn.
Quote from: Dodge on April 10, 2018, 05:14:04 PM
Quote from: Boycott on April 10, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
Some people have said that it clashes with brewcon in may (which I don't see an issue myself). Surely the best thing is to switch the two. So brewcon in Feb and use the enthusiasm from that to brew for the nationals in May.
Very good idea. Having it in May
+1 fwiw
Have added poll. It will run for 60 days. All results kept hidden until poll finishes. P.S. the results of this poll do not automatically mean a change in dates for the nationals.
I taught urban brewing was good venue but I felt Lock 13 was better. Just my two cent.
Fair play to you guys for giving the time to make it happen :) The poll makes sense give people a choice put issue to bed for once.
Why the secrecy?
Who knows.🧐. Maybe the answer after polling will be "February "
Well, you're looking for input to the competition, then keeping the info secret. Makes no sense
Quote from: delzep on April 10, 2018, 08:21:25 PM
Well, you're looking for input to the competition, then keeping the info secret. Makes no sense
It's not secret ... the poll results will be published in full once the poll closes.
Quote from: mick02 on April 10, 2018, 07:37:50 PMP.S. the results of this poll do not automatically mean a change in dates for the nationals.
Just for funzies? 8)
Usually it makes sense to run a roll in secret, as it removes majority bias until the results are posted at the end. That way the results are a true reflection of people's desires.
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Almost any online poll I've seen shows the results immediately
Quote from: delzep on April 10, 2018, 09:44:38 PM
Almost any online poll I've seen shows the results immediately
Does it really really matter that much to you? I mean it's an internet poll. Not really sure why you have an issue with the way it's being done. Molc put the reasoning for a closed poll above, those reasons were exactly why the results are being withheld until the poll closes.
Quote from: molc on April 10, 2018, 09:42:55 PM
Usually it makes sense to run a roll in secret, as it removes majority bias until the results are posted at the end. That way the results are a true reflection of people's desires.
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That argument is as watertight as a Ballymena duck's purse but makes total sense. Let's await the outcome without being influenced along the way.
-Barry
Given all the noise about this years comp esp. re. the club cup "Now is the Time" to discuss and hammer out next years comp.
Just remember that the few who have flogged themselves organising the comp do not want to read a load of threads winging on about the organisation of the competition the week before the competition.
Lads, can you stop arguing about the poll?
Seriously. Life is too short - Keep this for Politics.ie
A pre-emptive effort is being made to ensure that Comp 2019 runs even better than Comp 2018 and it is now being derailed.
This is terribly unfair on the people who sweat to make the event happen.
Kudos to Mick for kicking off this thread.
Please keep the thread on track otherwise Mods will be pulled in to clean it up.
There is a report button - The reason for reporting can be as simple as 'off-topic'.
If a Mod sees this as valid then the offending post will be pulled.
Not censorship - just Febrezing (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Febrezing) the place.
I'll kick off some discussion points. First two are areas I think we had issues and the last is just AOB :)
For the club cup, what do people think would be a good system to use, since we now have a year sort it out between us all in the club?
Also for people that didn't enter this year but did in years previous, what proved to be the disincentive?
If you could add one thing to the comp, what would it be?
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Quote from: molc on April 11, 2018, 05:43:23 PM
If you could add one thing to the comp, what would it be?
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A live demonstration from Ian Mott.
Some random thoughts from working as a steward on the day, acting as a drop point for bottles and also helping out with the bottle sorting.
Cable ties and a ladder for hanging up the bloody banner :P No seriously it was a major pain in the ass trying to get it hung up without them.
A set of small plastic 10 minute egg timers would not go astray. Lets just say its a simple way to manage time per beer being judged. Its also a very visual cue to judges to keep on track when judging a beer and would imho help them assign an average amount of time for beers. This will takes the onus off the stewards to keep hassling judges to hurry up.
More slop buckets as this year it was awkward to have to keep taking glasses back and forth through the venue. One per pair of stewards would be more than enough.
Not sure if its possible but if we could possibly figure out how to pre-print score sheets with the details of the categories, numbers of the beers etc I think it would help move things along on the day. I know it would be more work in advance but I believe it would help things run more smoothly for those judging, stewarding and also for those tabulating results. Feel free to shoot this one down, it was just a major pain in the ass to have to keep writing the same details down over and over again.
I think the national and local clubs should go all out to run more BJCP classes to get more judges trained. This year we had judges drop out at the last minute and this is very stressful and unfair to organisers. Its also unfair to remaining judges as they have to step in and judge even more categories. If we trained even more people to BJCP standard then hopefully it should be easier to get enough judges. Again I would like to see local clubs get involved to encourage at least one person to attend the class. If timing is an issue could we look to record the sessions to allow remote attendance where practical.
I helped out with the bottle sorting this year and it was a revelation to see the effort and organisation that goes in to it. Several things came to mind that I would like to see considered/discussed.
1. The same core group of people who organised it over the last 4 years were present this year. Local clubs should be canvassed and encouraged to provide more help. If we set the date in advance and give people enough notice it should be possible to get more people to help. Clubs have to help out the national organisation in this respect imho.
2. The choice of bottles for the competition should be standardised to a single bottle type (subject to health and safety for highly carbonated beers). Believe it or not allowing different bottle types is a headache for handling the bottles, sorting the bottles, fitting them in to the beer cases and even stacking the beer cases on top of each other. The amount of additional time that is layered on top having to deal with umpteen different bottle types amazed me. I would pick a standard bottle size widely available from home brew suppliers and oblige people to use that as part of conditions of entry. Its a common rule in other locations and other competitions and I would like to see this given due consideration. Clubs could be encouraged to pool together and buy a few cases of these bottles to limit the hassle factor that people would encounter getting these bottles.
3. Print out numbered labels for the caps of the bottles and put these on the bottle caps during sorting. It would be extra work during the bottle sorting but it would also save the knees and sanity of the cellar person on the day of the competition. If done right the job of finding a bottle now becomes a quick scan to find the case and then find the label from the cap. I lost count of the number of bottles the cellar person had to pick up to find out the right bottle to give out.
Could we find a way to involve the tasting of the 2nd entry that did not get used at some point during the day. Possibly do this as part of a meet and greet with the public.
Shanna
Quote from: Dr Jacoby on April 11, 2018, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: molc on April 11, 2018, 05:43:23 PM
If you could add one thing to the comp, what would it be?
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You're a bad bad man :)
No argument there :P
Can we please endeavor to have the full rules up,listed and agreed before the entry process opens.
I think a lot of the problems (people complaining and I was one of them) was due to the fact that the rules were not posted until less that 1 week before the closing date.
Sounds simple right ? To actually have the rules posted before the competition entry opens
Quote from: benji on April 12, 2018, 09:12:36 AM
Sounds simple right ? To actually have the rules posted before the competition entry opens
Are you're referring to the Club Cup rules or some wider rules around personal entries?
It would be better if the rules for the Club Cup were solidified ahead of time.
But at the same time I don't think the Club Cup rules had any bearing on people making and submitting entries.
In terms of timing I think we're never going to win.
I voted 2nd Qtr to see if and how it impacts on the competition.
Just because 'We always do it that way' is not the best reason to try and change.
Q1 I think is a relatively quiet time for the comp.
Q2 I would be concerned about communions, conformations etc.
Q4 Everybody tends to be holidaying etc.
Q4 No opinion other than its the end of the year
My ongoing concern is that we could do with a little more support.
There is a ton of work in pulling the comp together every year and not enough new blood coming on board.
I would hope that anyone that voted or votes for a change is ready to help out when the time comes.
Anyone thinking of doing an Imperial Stout or Barleywine for next years nationals should really be thinking about getting their brew on.
I did an Imperial Stout in January and am putting 3 bottles aside for the Nationals, 1 as a test bottle to make sure the other 2 are good enough to be entered.
The date for the AGM had not been announced when I put this poll up. In order to discuss the possibility of changing the date the Nationals are held I've shortened the poll. The results will be announced next week.
If you haven't voted in the poll I would encourage you to do so before it closes.
Thanks,
Mick
Results are in. Overwhelming majority of voters want a move to the second quarter of the year. This had been added as an agenda item for the AGM on Saturday. If anyone is interested in attending the details are published in the members area.
This was discussed at the AGM yesterday and there is a provisional date of March 23rd for the competition. Once we've confirmed that there is no date clash with sporting events we will confirm it but for now stick that date in your diary.
Majority want it moved to second quarter...provisional date march??
Quote from: lordstilton on May 27, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
Majority want it moved to second quarter...provisional date march??
Yep, now you've got 299 days to plan your beers.
That 15% vote was a great majority
It was stated at the outset that the outcome of the vote wouldn't automatically mean that the dates would be changed. We discussed it at the AGM and there were reasons that the end of March was chosen partially to avoid Easter and communions etc. Now that there is a date set anyone that can't brew over Christmas has a chance to brew early in the year and get their beer in.
What was the point in the vote?
Quote from: lordstilton on May 27, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
What was the point in the vote?
To create a discussion around moving the date of the nationals. Thanks to everyone that voted.
A discussion that was ignored by the looks of it
Quote from: mick02 on April 10, 2018, 07:37:50 PM
Have added poll. It will run for 60 days. All results kept hidden until poll finishes. P.S. the results of this poll do not automatically mean a change in dates for the nationals.
As you can see from my earlier post it was never stated or implied that the outcome of this vote would automatically mean that the date would be moved. It's never going to suit all the people all the time. The date of the Nationals was moved to a later date so I think that this poll was a success. Again I appreciate all that took the time to vote. We discussed the outcome of this vote and after some discussion we settled on the 23rd March. We'll see you on the 23rd March (or not)
Mick this isn't a moan or anything and I do appreciate all the hard work that you and others do behind the scenes.
My concern is that the NHC seems to have stalled. At least from what I here and see on other forums. This was seen at the last competition and from Brewcon. I know you had said the competition date wouldn't be changed as such but allow people to vote. The members voted and 70% wanted the change whilst 15% wanted the date to remain. Not all people that voted attended the AGM so we don't know what dates where discussed.
I would of thought that to get more people involved in helping then look at the time period that suits the majority. All it seems is from this exercise is, lets get everyones thoughts but let's not change things and we will have less people to help out.
I could be wrong?
Quote from: Dodge on May 27, 2018, 05:58:55 PM
Mick this isn't a moan or anything and I do appreciate all the hard work that you and others do behind the scenes.
My concern is that the NHC seems to have stalled. At least from what I here and see on other forums. This was seen at the last competition and from Brewcon. I know you had said the competition date wouldn't be changed as such but allow people to vote. The members voted and 70% wanted the change whilst 15% wanted the date to remain. Not all people that voted attended the AGM so we don't know what dates where discussed.
I would of thought that to get more people involved in helping then look at the time period that suits the majority. All it seems is from this exercise is, lets get everyones thoughts but let's not change things and we will have less people to help out.
I could be wrong?
I hear you Dodge and I'm sure it's frustrating when something like this happens. As with anything there are a number of factors at play here. Easter lands in April which means mid term breaks etc, May is Brewcon as well as Communions and sporting finals. We figured that the competition should be done in the first half of the year. When I spoke to members at club nights or Brewcon or the Nationals the over arching reason for changing the date was that people did not have any time over Christmas to brew beer for the Nationals in February. By pushing this out to the end of March we were able to give brewers a bit more wiggle room to get their beers brewed and ready and at the same time avoiding the hurdles that I just mentioned.
I appreciate the comments regarding the work that goes on behind the scenes, it really is a thankless task but we all do it for the love of the club. Also please realize that this date was not chosen to annoy or inconvenience anyone there was some discussion around it. I'm hoping that all the members can accept this decision and work towards making their best beer for the competition.
Another reason that I put this post up so far in advance was to give people time to prepare and to have these discussions. I've no problem discussing these decisions with the members so if there is any question you have please let me know. I'll answer it as honestly as possible but please be aware that you make not like the answer I give.
Mick
Quote from: Dodge on May 27, 2018, 05:58:55 PM
Mick this isn't a moan or anything and I do appreciate all the hard work that you and others do behind the scenes.
My concern is that the NHC seems to have stalled. At least from what I here and see on other forums. This was seen at the last competition and from Brewcon. I know you had said the competition date wouldn't be changed as such but allow people to vote. The members voted and 70% wanted the change whilst 15% wanted the date to remain. Not all people that voted attended the AGM so we don't know what dates where discussed.
I would of thought that to get more people involved in helping then look at the time period that suits the majority. All it seems is from this exercise is, lets get everyones thoughts but let's not change things and we will have less people to help out.
I could be wrong?
You're right about the NHC stalling and we have a plan to get some life back into the club. Discussions like this show that there is passion in the club which is great to see. We'll try get the minutes of the AGM up as soon as possible so all the members can get some idea of what we were discussing.
This is quite bizarre, 80% on here wanted another time of year than Q1 of 2019. This was then brought up at the agm and a date decided to completely oppose that wish. Very undemocratic no? Why not have another poll and have people vote for specific dates.
I was under the understanding that decisions like that were not actually made at the AGMs and they would be put to the majority on the forum.
Quote from: mick02 on May 27, 2018, 06:08:33 PM
We figured that the competition should be done in the first half of the year. When I spoke to members at club nights or Brewcon or the Nationals the over arching reason for changing the date was that people did not have any time over Christmas to brew beer for the Nationals in February.
Why should the competition be done in the first half of the year? In fact, around October would be perfect as it means outdoor brewing, bbq and beer meetings to sample potential entries, less chances of judges having sniffles etc.
Also the nationals were in March this year (Original date too before the bad weather)
(Wasn't at the AGM, so not party to discussion)
Choosing the date has to be practical and needs a few aspects to lineup; the beer brewed for it needs time to be ready & the volunteers need to be available.
When organising the competition you need 2 free weekends back to back (sorting & judging), possibly 3 with 2 legs and getting the organisers, judges & stewards can be difficult with other activities on.
Trying to pick a suitable time each year needs planning with Easter moving around each year.
The 6 nations is a messy time. Easter rules out 3 weekends as schools are off for 2 weeks & people often take hols over this time. May adds communion/confirmation/sports finals/beer festivals, etc.
Summertime (June/July/Aug) won't happen - people on hols.
Autumn (Sept/Oct) difficulty brewing/conditioning/storage without temperature control during the summer.
Dec - silly season
Jan/Feb - people not brewing over Christmas
Quote from: pob on May 27, 2018, 09:18:58 PM
(Wasn't at the AGM, so not party to discussion)
Choosing the date has to be practical and needs a few aspects to lineup; the beer brewed for it needs time to be ready & the volunteers need to be available.
When organising the competition you need 2 free weekends back to back (sorting & judging), possibly 3 with 2 legs and getting the organisers, judges & stewards can be difficult with other activities on.
Trying to pick a suitable time each year needs planning with Easter moving around each year.
The 6 nations is a messy time. Easter rules out 3 weekends as schools are off for 2 weeks & people often take hols over this time. May adds communion/confirmation/sports finals/beer festivals, etc.
Summertime (June/July/Aug) won't happen - people on hols.
Autumn (Sept/Oct) difficulty brewing/conditioning/storage without temperature control during the summer.
Dec - silly season
Jan/Feb - people not brewing over Christmas
Yeah your right.
It was just my thought that if the question was put out to all and a majority chose a period, then the NHC have more people to assist during this period. Obviously for anyone that voted would of taken theses events like Easter, holidays, communion etc etc into account. To use this as an excuse not to change I don't think holds
What's happened now I think is that the small minority that didn't want the change of date will be the few that will have to assist.
I think if somebody wants to change the dates they need to champion the change. If you want a change then deliver it, calling for change but expecting the same old faces to deliver it I don't think is very fair. These are volunteers with families and commitments of their own just like you.
If you can't put your name beside your chosen month to volunteer one day on 2 consecutive weeekends for the Nationals then you have to let the organisers and volunteers that do sacrifice their personal time choose the date and to be honest as far as I can see imho where the decision process should start.
Run it your way guys dont listen to the plebs who are too thick to understand why the date can't be changed.
At least you are all singing same tune when opposition to change comes I respect that also...If you want change put your name forward people give up there time.........etc
John I've volunteered at every final except this year and so have plenty others that voted to move date..I like roger understand and appreciate the time others put in not just on the day but also the weeks and months leading up to it to organise it..if the month of March is the only month that suits that should of been stated at the start and not have a vote to move which was never going to be implemented... It leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the membership
All,
As I mentioned a few posts back, the change of date for the Nationals was discussed at the AGM.
There were some concerns based around hosting the competition in Q2 as was indicated as the preferable month in the poll on this thread.
The concerns that were raised were
Clashes in dates with Easter, Mid Term Break, 6 Nations, Brewcon, Communions.
There was also a concern raised in private regarding the storage of entries in warmer months.
In the interest of democracy I propose we hold a second official vote whereby all members are contacted individually and asked to register their vote. This will give all members a chance to vote not just the members that use the forum regularly.
The vote will be via a poll on the forum that will be open for transparency.
Members will be asked to ratify the 23rd of March 2019 as the date for the Nationals or else they will be asked to put forward a different month.
If the vote indicates a change of month then the committee will try to run the competition on a date during that month that they feel is most appropriate taking into account potential clashes with sporting events, school holidays or religious events.
Can I get another member to second this proposal?
I trust that this is fair and transparent to all members and that we can all accept the outcome of this vote.
I would call on members to give careful consideration to major events that happen in your chosen month (if the 23rd March is not your preference).
If this proposal is seconded I will set up a different thread in the members area of the forum for this poll and I will contact all members via email with a link to the poll.
I trust this is acceptable.
Thanks,
Mick
Garrett we have all done our bit, I wasn't involved this year and didn't even enter, which was worse, but my point was the folks that are running it, which I guess is the competition committee?, call it.
42 folks opted to have it in Q2 so there is definitely a will to change we just need volunteers to drive it?
I had loads of polls over the years on this forum and feck all was done about them, I blame Mick and the enthusiasm of youth :laugh: and to quote him above;
"the results of this poll do not automatically mean a change in dates for the nationals". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Power to the People, it worked for Brexit ;D ;D
Gone on I'll second your proposal!
Quote from: mick02 on May 28, 2018, 03:51:47 PM
All,
As I mentioned a few posts back, the change of date for the Nationals was discussed at the AGM.
There were some concerns based around hosting the competition in Q2 as was indicated as the preferable month in the poll on this thread.
The concerns that were raised were
Clashes in dates with Easter, Mid Term Break, 6 Nations, Brewcon, Communions.
There was also a concern raised in private regarding the storage of entries in warmer months.
In the interest of democracy I propose we hold a second official vote whereby all members are contacted individually and asked to register their vote. This will give all members a chance to vote not just the members that use the forum regularly.
The vote will be via a poll on the forum that will be open for transparency.
Members will be asked to ratify the 23rd of March 2019 as the date for the Nationals or else they will be asked to put forward a different month.
If the vote indicates a change of month then the committee will try to run the competition on a date during that month that they feel is most appropriate taking into account potential clashes with sporting events, school holidays or religious events.
Can I get another member to second this proposal?
I trust that this is fair and transparent to all members and that we can all accept the outcome of this vote.
I would call on members to give careful consideration to major events that happen in your chosen month (if the 23rd March is not your preference).
If this proposal is seconded I will set up a different thread in the members area of the forum for this poll and I will contact all members via email with a link to the poll.
I trust this is acceptable.
Thanks,
Mick
Hi Mick,
I'll second your motion.
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Quote from: CH on May 28, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
Power to the People, it worked for Brexit ;D ;D
Gone on I'll second your proposal!
OK the wheels of democracy are in motion.
I will set up a separate thread and poll shortly once I find out how to get in touch with all the members.
Thanks Mick
Scotch Ale, Lambic and Barleywine brewers ... start your engines
Anyone entering a Marzen? Time to get brewing.
If you are planning on entering a Weisenbock or Belgian Strong in the 2019 competition then now is a good time to brew it in order to have it in prime condition for the competition.
If you're brewing this weekend or next and have one eye on the Nationals then a Dopplebock brewed in the coming weeks should be in prime condition for the Nationals in March.
Here's some tips on brewing a good DoppleBock
https://byo.com/article/brewing-doppelbock-tips-from-the-pros/
Is there a specific style of beer for the 2019 Nationals? Just so I know what to put on. I am thinking of doing All grain beer using BIAB. This will be my first time
Quote from: Daves Beer/Ale on October 30, 2018, 06:06:29 PM
Is there a specific style of beer for the 2019 Nationals? Just so I know what to put on. I am thinking of doing All grain beer using BIAB. This will be my first time
We usually accommodate all styles of beer in the nationals. If there are too few entries of a surviving style then @slugtrap usually tries to pool similar categories together to make sure there is sufficient competition.
I was wondering if you're considering adding any of the provisional styles? Burton Ale,New England IPA,Catharina Sour or New Zealand Pilsner.
The guidelines are here http://dev.bjcp.org/provisional-styles/
Yes + no.
17A. Burton Ale + 21B. New England IPA, definitely.
They represent the BJCP finally doing their homework (Burton) or catching up with trends (NEIPA) and so are totally valid additions.
(In fact, we already took NEIPA as its own style last year with our homebaked guidelines.)
X4. Catharina Sour + X5. New Zealand Pilsner, no.
This is just following precedent: we haven't ever taken entries for the other Local Styles (X1. Dorada Pampeana, X2. Argentine IPA. X3. Italian Grape Ale) so I don't see any reason to take these new ones, either.
They are "more important for home brewers in a single country" according to the BJCP, and therefore don't really apply to us.
I hope this makes sense.
Makes total sense,and a Catharina Sour could probably be entered in 28c? As for an New Zealand Pilsner I've no idea what category it could be entered in.
Quote from: Rosmucman on October 30, 2018, 09:40:42 PM
Makes total sense,and a Catharina Sour could probably be entered in 28c? As for an New Zealand Pilsner I've no idea what category it could be entered in.
re:NZ Pils - I'd have to think about that one.
Last year we put (https://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/members-only-area/entering-nationals-how-to-choose-a-style/msg177573/#msg177573) India Pale Lagers in as Specialty IPA; I could see that fitting here.
The Guidelines themselves talk about the similarity between New Zealand Pilsner and British Golden Ale; that would work, too.
Do we reckon anybody wants to brew this style?
Made one there recently and it's a cracking style, but was hesitant to brew it for nationals, as I don't really know where it would be judged or what against. It tastes like an american pale ale but there's a lovely malt presence that you usually don't get in a pale ale, as the hops, yeast and base grain all hide it. In specialty IPA it would be obliterated, as the juicy hops would stomp all over it's delicate malt character.
British Golden Ale is the suggested pairing by the BJCP, as you mentioned, but it comes down to what else is in the category. It really is out there on it's own.
Plan to make a few more for sure though - really tasty and a crowd pleaser!
I've one in the fermenter,hope to have it ready for Christmas
Hey Peeps, just wanted to confirm the date. So is March 23rd locked in ? I'm fine with any date just want to make sure so I can confirm with the Midlands Club
Quote from: benji on November 16, 2018, 03:35:47 PM
Hey Peeps, just wanted to confirm the date. So is March 23rd locked in ? I'm fine with any date just want to make sure so I can confirm with the Midlands Club
March 23rd is locked in unless we get snowed out of it again!
We're definitely getting snow now March 23rd
Lager brewers take note. If you're planning on entering a Helles, Bock, Pilsner, Fruit Beer, Lager or Rauchbier then you need to be thinking about brewing it soon to be in tip-top condition for the competition.
Cheers Mick. Czech Pils just kegged on Sunday - fingers crossed it's up to scratch.
We're getting into the home stretch now in terms of brewing for the Nationals. IPA's, Stouts, Pale Ales, Red Ales and the like should be on the agenda for your next brew.
Preparations have already begun for this years Nationals. We're hoping to see a good turn out.
Happy Brewing.
Hi Mick
Have drop off dates etc been discussed?
Planning brews now and just want to work backwards from drop off dates for bottling etc.
Thanks,
Colin
Quote from: fishjam45 (Colin) on January 09, 2019, 09:44:30 AM
Hi Mick
Have drop off dates etc been discussed?
Planning brews now and just want to work backwards from drop off dates for bottling etc.
Thanks,
Colin
Nothing yet Colin but we're hoping to have those details sorted out soon. As soon as we have something we'll post it here.
Cheers
Thanks Mick
Good evening folks.
We had a call tonight to hammer out the details. I will add this update to the first post on this thread also.
Details of the 2019 NHC National Homebrew Competition are as follows
Closing Date for Entries - 2nd March
Closing date for entries to be dropped off - 8th March
Bottle Sorting - 9th March (TBC)
You can see all this information and add your entries on the competition website here - https://competitions.nationalhomebrewclub.ie
Most reps have agreed to act as drop off points for member entries. The reps are listed on the Forum in the club section.
Good luck to all brewers.
Mick
Thanks again guys :)
Great stuff, thanks lads
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Great news. I know this gets asked every year but even if you pay before the 2nd March I assume the entry can be adjusted up until that point? (meaning payment doesn't lock the entries until the deadline?)
Quote from: Pheeel on January 11, 2019, 09:00:56 AM
Great news. I know this gets asked every year but even if you pay before the 2nd March I assume the entry can be adjusted up until that point? (meaning payment doesn't lock the entries until the deadline?)
Hey Pheel,
If the entry is in by the closing date we will do whatever we can to facilitate brewers (within reason of course)
I meant if I pay today will the site still let me edit the entries until the closing date? Exceptions are a PITA!
It has worked like that before.
Was just looking at the registration page there, are ciders and meads back on this year?
Quote from: helmet on January 11, 2019, 06:12:06 PM
Was just looking at the registration page there, are ciders and meads back on this year?
Oops, my bad. I forgot to remove them from the comp site. Cider and Mead will not be included at this years nationals. Site updated to reflect this
Grand job, thanks Mick.
I took a look at the comp site but I couldn't work out the answer to this. What's the max number of entries in total (not per person) we're accepting into the comp?
I noticed there's no category 34 in the drop down menu when registering an entry, is that done purposefully?
We've not had for the last few years AFAIK. Do you have a beer that genuinely can't fit in any other category?
Quote from: Pheeel on January 14, 2019, 09:42:03 PM
We've not had for the last few years AFAIK. Do you have a beer that genuinely can't fit in any other category?
I think so, I have a saison blended with white wine.
Is that technically even a beer so? :D
Quote from: Jonnycheech on January 15, 2019, 07:23:14 AM
Is that technically even a beer so? :D
Well it's only like 5% wine :P
But it's enough to take it out of the saison category.
more importantly,is it nice :)
Well it's not actually finished yet, but preliminary trials were promising. The flavours of a reisling blend really well with a saison I reckon.
My personal opinion. I think there's a difference between blending a beer and a non beer versus aging in a barrel which a non beer was originally in (or even staves, cubes etc). I don't think a beer with added Whiskey is the same as aging it in a whiskey barrel (cubes etc)
Besides you shouldn't mix the grape with the grain ;)
I was thinking the same about an oatmeal stout with added coffee. You can definitely get the coffee, but its not a 'ooh this might fool the judges into thinking it came from roasted grains' kind of coffee taste. it is delicious though IMHO
Quote from: Pheeel on January 15, 2019, 01:08:19 PM
My personal opinion. I think there's a difference between blending a beer and a non beer versus aging in a barrel which a non beer was originally in (or even staves, cubes etc). I don't think a beer with added Whiskey is the same as aging it in a whiskey barrel (cubes etc)
Besides you shouldn't mix the grape with the grain ;)
I don't really think it's different from adding other flavours like fruit for example other than the fact that fruit beer is an existing style, but isn't that what the expirimental category is for?
Not sure I agree. For fruit beer the fruit will ferment
Quote from: Pheeel on January 16, 2019, 07:01:21 PM
Not sure I agree. For fruit beer the fruit will ferment
Fermented fruit sounds a lot like wine to me.
But rather than debating the technicalities, I'm I going to be able to enter this?
Hi, I'm having trouble printing out my labels. I've paid and have the green tick beside each beer to conform this, but the Print Bottle Labels button isn't working
Quote from: delzep on February 27, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
Hi, I'm having trouble printing out my labels. I've paid and have the green tick beside each beer to conform this, but the Print Bottle Labels button isn't working
It's working fine for me here. Perhaps a browser Ad Blocker or similar is causing the problem?
No, I can't click on the button. When I hover over the button, the cursor changes to a red circle with a red line through it
Quote from: delzep on February 27, 2019, 12:21:19 PM
No, I can't click on the button. When I hover over the button, the cursor changes to a red circle with a red line through it
Have you fully paid for all your entries? Can you post a screenshot of the full browser window please?
You need to tick the beers first and then the print labels button activates. Looks like a multi select jobbie.
Quote from: molc on February 27, 2019, 12:24:28 PM
You need to tick the beers first and then the print labels button activates. Looks like a multi select jobbie.
That worked, thanks. Not the most obvious thing
Results (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h8EgtUvJEWr5T6rDyfmle8JbyRPas5DHDXm0z_Ja5kE/edit?ts=5c951ad8#gid=594094274).
Thanks to brewers, judges + organizers for a brilliant day.
OK folks, score sheets are now available on the competition site. Please note that the results on the front page of the comp site are not the results as they were grouped for the competition. The software we use for hosting the comp website is good but it has certain limitations. If you want to see the scores per category please check the Google Docs link that Rich posted earlier.
If anyone has any questions or there are issues with the score sheets (from a technical standpoint not from a judging stand point!) please let me know.
thanks Mick, amazing to get them published the monday after the competition, really appreciate that.
Delighted with my scoresheets (no medals!), good detail and good feedback on both my beers, judges liked both and said as much, but they were in the wrong category, and that's on me.
Thanks to the judges, organisers and all involved in a very, very successful nationals.
Trojan work as always Mick - thank for all the hard work.
No worries folks, everyone does their bit in the club. Hope there are no issues with the scoresheet uploads. Let me know if you run into issues.
Fair play Mick and fair play everyone else involved in running the competition. Serious turnaround time for so many entries!
Mighty stuff Mick, Trojan work put in!
Well done to all involved in what was a very well run competition!
Congratulations to all. No small effort involved!
anyone know how you can get your results sheet?
Quote from: phynes1 on March 29, 2019, 02:09:56 PM
anyone know how you can get your results sheet?
You should be able to get them on the competition website. Log in and you should see a little "gavel" icon beside your entry. That's where the scoresheets are.
If you're having trouble then let me know and I'll investigate
Does anyone know who has my medals and how I can get them? Thanks
Try your club rep?
Or me :)
Good afternoon all,
In order to minimise the amount of personal information that the NHC hold on their server I will be deleting the National competition database next Saturday around noon.
After this you will no longer be able to log on to the competition site or access your scoresheets.
If you want to download your scoresheets then I suggest that you get it done before Saturday.
I've updated the OP to say the same.
Thanks for those of you that entered.
See you next year.
Mick
Just to tie up all loose ends, the competition website has been purged of all data. This was done under our committment to GDPR that we will hold as little personal information as possible and only for a short duration (Where reasonable)