[Request] Leann Follain

[gazz]

Dunno if this information is any use but from their website:

StyleExtra Irish Stout ABV6.0%
Plato °14.5°
IBU45 Fermentation
Top fermentation

This full-on Irish stout is the big brother of our Irish Stout, with a hefty
malt base, including a generous portion of chocolate malt, making it
a bolder, brash version.

The extended mashing and boiling times help to generate the roast coffee
aroma with a hint of biscuit that comes through in the flavour. This stout
is built on strong old style hop varieties lending a spicy bitterness which
balances the malty aromas perfectly. This higher gravity stout is allowed the
fullness of time to completely attenuate during the fermentation process to
achieve the required ABV and that satisfying fullness of flavour.

ADDITIONAL TASTING NOTES

Colour/Appearance
Opaque black with a creamy tan head.

Aroma
Mild mocha aroma with a sweet vinous note.

Aftertaste
Classic European bittering hops bring a refreshing bite after the chocolate
subsides.

From another site:
O'Hara's Leann Folláin at 6.0% abv is laden with complex chocolate and coffee flavours balanced by a robust bitterness and delicate spicy aroma imparted from the generous portions of Northdown and Fuggle Hops.

From another forum:

I remember chatting to Liam the brewer about their stout one drunken night.
Managed to get some info out of him about the recipe.

He said they use challenger and fuggles in the recipe.
Challenger for bittering and fuggles late. Maybe another hop too, memories a little hazy!!
Bittered to 45 IBUS

He said they only use one roasted grain, that being Roasted barley. I found that a little surprising as theirs definately some chocolate notes in the flavour.
He said that they never mix roasted grains in a recipe as they tend to compete.

They use their own yeast strain aswell.

So, if I was to attempt an extract oharas stout clone I would maybe try something like this..


light DME
10-12% Roasted barley
1-2% crystal malt
(Maybe some flaked barley if doing a partial mash)

Hops...
Challenger at 60 mins
a little East Kent Goldings at 20 mins
a little Fuggles at 5 mins.
Bittered to 45 IBUS.

US-05 Yeast

[delzep]

Has the recipe for Leann Follain changed recently? Currently supping a bottle and I had a pint of it last night too and its very underwhelming, nowhere near the big man stout it usually is 

[irish_goat]

On a similar note, Gordon Strong is looking to write an article for Brew Your Own magaize on the new BJCP category: Irish Extra Stout and to coincide with his trip over we will be hosting a "Meet the Brewer" night with O'Hara's where Gordon will do a guided tasting and talk over recipe formulation for the style. More details to follow soon but you'll not want to miss it if you're a fan of Irish stout. 

[molc]

Best. News. Ever!

[DCLavs]

Where will this be hosted?Derry please

[Leann ull]

Where will this be hosted?Derry please

[Paul B]

So an update on this since the aforementioned tasting evening with Gordon Strong and O'Haras. To be honest they didn't give much away, personally I didn't feel I came away much the wiser about how to clone this beer. That said, here is some info I noted down, perhaps between us we can come up with something that hones in on a decent clone. Will look forward to seeing Gordon writes up in the coming months also.

* They use "very hard water", and add calcium sulphate and sodium chloride
* Mash PH is 5.6 +- .2
* Little bit of wheat
* One base malt
* Over 10% flaked barley (he says a lot)
* Says flaked barley is extremely important for mouthfeel and flavors
* No cold steeping or late mash additions
* Low temp mash two stage infusion
* No crystal
* About 12% dark malt
* Irish ale yeast, pitch cone to cone, same yeast is used for all their beers
* "Over 4 grains total, not more than six", i.e. 5
* The wheat used is not flaked wheat or malted wheat
* Their water hardness is 200ppm before treatment
* Hops used are Northdown and Fuggles
* Mash mid to low 60s
* 3 hop additions
* Longer than 60 min boil
* 40 IBU
* 1.058 og

[pob]

* The wheat used is not flaked wheat or malted wheat = Torrified?

(thanks for taking notes)

[Frequent Sequence]

Thanks Paul B  . That is a lot to go on. The roasted grain balance might be at a different ratio but my best guess going by the numbers looks like this:

70% Base malt (I'd use Maris Otter)
13% Flaked Barley
12.5% Chocolate malt
5.5% Roasted Barley
4.5% Torrified Wheat

1.058 OG
1.012 FG


Edit: The official O'Haras site say Leann Follain has "a generous portion of chocolate malt" and as the lads pointed out it was mentioned that the recipe contains only one roasted grain.

[Paul B]

Thanks Paul B  . That is a lot to go on. The roasted grain balance might be at a different ratio but my best guess going by the numbers looks like this:

70% Base malt (I'd use Maris Otter)
13% Flaked Barley
7% Chocolate malt
5.5% Roasted Barley
4.5% Torrified Wheat

1.058 OG
1.012 FG

Looks good, I'd say a good starting point!

[Partridge9]

Did he not say one dark malt, hinted at chocolate , I think he said no roast barley, but I  could be mistaken

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[DEMPSEY]

I recall only 1 dark malt and it sounded like cadburys,also the flaked barley was more like 15%. Mash temp 62 C rising to 67 C.

[Leann ull]

Only one dark Malt, two stage mash, Flaked was 10-15% and I was sober

[molc]

Paul for minute keeper at all future meets!

[Leann ull]

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