Hi All
I wanted to brew a Timonthy Taylor Landlord clone from GW's book - I would like this as close as possible so wanted to get a liquid yeast particularly a Yorkshire ale yeast, do i go for the whielabs one (wlp037-yorkshire-square-ale-yeast (http://wlp037-yorkshire-square-ale-yeast)), or the wyeast west yorkshire 1469 (rw_yeaststrain_detail.cfm (http://rw_yeaststrain_detail.cfm))?
Cheers
Andy
Hi Andy, afaik 1469 is the original strain used in TTL. I don't know anything about wlp037
Thanks RichC
From what I have been reading the wyeast is the one to go for, the wlp037 is apparently the Sam Smith strain.
Cheers
Andy
I'd love to hear how this goes. Can you post the recipe?
Sure
Pale Malt 4.25kg
Black Malt 30g
Mash schedule 66C for 90 minutes
30g Golding Hops@ Start of boil
30g Styrian Goldings hops @ Start of boil
20g Styrian Goldings @ 10mins
3g Irish Moss @ 10mins
Boil time - 90mins
Total liquer 32.6l
Mash liquer 10.7l
Batch volume is 23l
Hope to brew this soon, just waiting to see if I can get some wyeast
Cheers
Andy
Thanks Andy,
I'm going to give this a go too. I've read that people take the first few litres of runnings and boil them to caramelise it a bit. Alternative seems to be to add some crystal. I might add some crystal. Will probably use US04 yeast too..
Hi, did you brew this?
I'm doing a similar recipe to this today:
4.5 kilos Golden Promise
112 gms. crystal 120
13 gms. patent black malt, finely crushed.
Mash at 150 deg. for 90 mins.
Sparge to extract 5 galls. @1035
Boil for 60mins. adding hops at;
35 gms fuggles for 60mins.
50 gms. styrians for 60 mins.
10 gms. each styrian and worcester goldings for 15 mins.+ protafloc tab.
Ferment with Fermentis US-04
Grain bill looks great with the golden Promise, but I'd be inclined to leave out the Crystal. A pinch of roasted malt is good for color correction in a TTL clone though, as it is quite a dark beer.
I did my Landlord clone with WLP002 - not quite right, but the best strain available to me at the time. Level of attenuation wasn't high enough, so could have used a small addition of simple sugar. Not a fan of S-04 and haven't used it in a long time, so I'm not sure how that will affect your flavour.
Quote from: Bubbles on October 01, 2014, 01:17:37 PM
Grain bill looks great with the golden Promise,
golden promise/actually using mci ale malt. just copy and pasted for handiness ;)
I like crystal so dont mind.
I wanted to use an english ale yeast and I havent had a use for the us04 I've had for ages so thought I'd use it..
Wort does look quite dark at the mo. We'll see how it pans out..
Nice one. TTL is probably my favourite example of a style which I still haven't brewer a satisfactory example of. Plenty of nice beers, but just not as good as a commercial example. I think the yeast strain is key.
I havent got round to brewing this yet, i am waiting for the local hbs to order wyeast - west yorkshire ale yeast. I have done a recent brew with s04 and I have to say that although it gave a nice compact trub after fermentation the rest of the fv was a mess, when Ive used S05 its a lot cleaner.
Still planning the TTL clone though
Some inspiration for you.. :)
http://www.themadfermentationist.com/2010/02/timothy-taylor-landlord-clone-recipe.html
Mine should be ready now. Might bang it in the fridge..
Quote from: Bubbles on October 01, 2014, 01:17:37 PM
Not a fan of S-04 and haven't used it in a long time, so I'm not sure how that will affect your flavour.
Wish I'd listened, I thought I had picked up an infection as there is a weird dominant taste from the batch. I've just parked it for a while. Waiting for inspiration. I tasted a homebrew at the weekend that had the same taste. Both used the same S04 yeast. Incidentally, I tasted guinness dublin porter yesterday and I thought it had a very similar taste. I wonder if it uses a similar yeast.
Sorry to hear that lad. Never liked it, makes every batch taste like homebrew. Yeasty and harsh. I've nothing good to say about it apart from the fact that it floccs like a stone. Though some long term ageing does help the flavour a lot.
WLP 037 - if you don't ferment too cool, and give it a little extra time on the yeast this is a nice yeast. Otherwise it's a bad, phenolic mess that will definitely pass for infected beer.
Quote from: Bubbles on December 21, 2014, 10:45:35 PM
Sorry to hear that lad. Never liked it, makes every batch taste like homebrew. Yeasty and harsh. I've nothing good to say about it apart from the fact that it floccs like a stone. Though some long term ageing does help the flavour a lot.
I actually primed the keg, which I think made it worse. I was hoping to crash cool it and transfer to a new keg and leave the yeast behind. I assumed it was the taste of the yeast that was the problem. But if the yeast has dropped out as you say, then its probably not going to help. I wonder if pitching some healthy US05 with some sterile sugar would clean it up. If not I wonder would souring work. At the moment for me its undrinkable. Its absolutely nothing like a TTL, or any real style to be honest.
No don't do that. Despite appearances, there is probably still yeast in suspension, and it tastes like ass. I'd leave it a month or two. It will be drinkable, though not as polished as you might get with a liquid english ale yeast.
Landlord is a hard clone recipe to pull off, for the simple reason that the yeast strain, or a variant of it, is not commercially available. Like fullers or whitbread. Yeast is literally everything with these english bitters.
Fermented at 18 C. might have been too low. Its at the low end. But I was fermenting 4 beers in the same chamber, so it didn't get special treatment..
Might be a bit low alright. The english yeasts tend to like the warmer temperatures, else they start spitting out diacetyl and all sorts of stuff. I've got a us05 fermentation going on at the moment which is at near lager temps and it's doing great. Byt i digress..
The WLP002 is a really good all rounder for english ales. Would recommend for your next attempt.
So I decided not to dump this but crash cooled it and syphoned it through some filter cloth. Then forgot about it and also never labeled the keg. So I was drinking this last night, and was on the second glass before I figured out what I was drinking. Beer has turned around really well into a nice malty ale with bitter finish. The s04 taste was there lastnight slightly so I was seriously considering dry hopping with citra to mask it, but I'm drinking it again this evening and I dont really get it now. maybe I was getting the settled yeast with the first glasses. So, I'm pretty glad I stuck with it. I'd make this again but will only ever use s04 again as food for my other yeast :)