Had a bottle of "the Foxes Rock" Irish red last night and was surprised it was nice. Surprised as I did not expect it to be as most Irish reds I find to be a bit boring. This does not knock it out of the park mind but is what it is supposed to be. For those that like reds what is your view on a good recipe for one. :-\
Don't have a good recipe but O'Hara's Red and Sullivans are my two favourites. More often than not though it seems like Irish Red is code-word for Smithwicks Clone.
I had a bottle of porterhouse red recently.
Great example.
Quote from: johnrm on July 06, 2017, 03:45:57 PM
I had a bottle of porterhouse red recently.
Great example.
Must give that a go again. Not mad on the nitro draught version.
I like BRU's Rua.
Second BRU Rua, also 8 degree sunburnt red, Costello's Red
There are no good Irish Reds - its an insipid, banal, characterless waste of malt and people who drink it are idiots who hate themselves and know nothing about beer. Theres no such thing as 'Irish Red' either, its a load of makey-up bollox, invented by Americans and sold to gullible gobshites who lack critical thinking skills. How does one commercial example which has changed a million times get its own style? Irish Red is absolute garbage and liking it should mean you are ejected from the NHC.
How do you really feel though?
Quote from: phoenix on July 07, 2017, 04:24:58 PM
There are no good Irish Reds - its an insipid, banal, characterless waste of malt and people who drink it are idiots who hate themselves and know nothing about beer. Theres no such thing as 'Irish Red' either, its a load of makey-up bollox, invented by Americans and sold to gullible gobshites who lack critical thinking skills. How does one commercial example which has changed a million times get its own style? Irish Red is absolute garbage and liking it should mean you are ejected from the NHC.
This why we need to raid the Guinness industrial archives. IRA is an innocent MON.
Controversial I know but I kind of like Smithwicks Winter Warmer
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Quote from: phoenix on July 07, 2017, 04:24:58 PM
There are no good Irish Reds - its an insipid, banal, characterless waste of malt and people who drink it are idiots who hate themselves and know nothing about beer. Theres no such thing as 'Irish Red' either, its a load of makey-up bollox, invented by Americans and sold to gullible gobshites who lack critical thinking skills. How does one commercial example which has changed a million times get its own style? Irish Red is absolute garbage and liking it should mean you are ejected from the NHC.
Couldn't disagree more. O'Hara's red is a fantastic example of the style. I would suggest you broaden your horizons. I agree smithwicks is awful but don't tar them all with the one brush. Maybe your taste buds are less atuned to differences?
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Quote from: phoenix on July 07, 2017, 04:24:58 PM
There are no good Irish Reds - its an insipid, banal, characterless waste of malt and people who drink it are idiots who hate themselves and know nothing about beer. Theres no such thing as 'Irish Red' either, its a load of makey-up bollox, invented by Americans and sold to gullible gobshites who lack critical thinking skills. How does one commercial example which has changed a million times get its own style? Irish Red is absolute garbage and liking it should mean you are ejected from the NHC.
Couldn't disagree more. O'Hara's red is a fantastic example of the style. I would suggest you broaden your horizons. I agree smithwicks is awful but don't tar them all with the one brush. Maybe your taste buds are less atuned to differences?
Hehe, have to agree as well - O'Haras Red is a beautiful beer - full of caramel and chocolate. Was a bit of a revelation for me as well, in a style that I best thought forgotten upto that point.
Strong opinion.
I'll stick with mine that porterhouse red is a great example of an Irish Red. (Probably not a big challenge given the 'classic' example.)
In fact I think I'll go to my local offie now and grab a few.
Yum yum.
Dammit. They had a run on proper reds.
Porterhouse Red and OHaras all sold out.
A small few Foxes Rock remained, nabbed one, having it now.
I prefer porterhouse, but this is very tasty.
Great, Now im thirsty! :P
Kind of like White Gypsy Ruby on nitro draft as well.
Quote from: mr hoppy on July 09, 2017, 12:52:34 PM
Kind of like White Gypsy Ruby on nitro draft as well.
+1 on this. I drink this in J B Keane's bar in Listowel and it goes down well.
8 degrees sunburnt Irish Red is pretty good!
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I had a few pints of the Foxes Rock on draught a few months back, very good but then I'm partial to a red ale. Killany Red by Brehon Brewhouse is another decent tipple.
Quote from: DEMPSEY on July 09, 2017, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: mr hoppy on July 09, 2017, 12:52:34 PM
Kind of like White Gypsy Ruby on nitro draft as well.
+1 on this. I drink this in J B Keane's bar in Listowel and it goes down well.
+2. Available in Phil Carroll's Clonmel
Quote from: fatboy on October 23, 2018, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: DEMPSEY on July 09, 2017, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: mr hoppy on July 09, 2017, 12:52:34 PM
Kind of like White Gypsy Ruby on nitro draft as well.
+1 on this. I drink this in J B Keane's bar in Listowel and it goes down well.
+2. Available in Phil Carroll's Clonmel
That's some way to introduce yourself to the forum... Necromancing a 15 month old thread on Red Ales of all things!
Welcome to the nhc @fatboy!
I'm not really a fan on red TBH but the Sillivans export is really good. It's 5.5% if I recall. Way better than any other red I've tried
Agree with that. Sullivan's export is the best red I've had in recent times. Fair bit better than the original.
Now this is an interesting thread for me, as I went to school 200 yards from Lett's brewery in Enniscorthy.
I researched this and it appears there are quite different styles in France (Pelforth Breweries) and Coors in US with "George Killian" Irish Red. The brand was sold to them. I've had the French type often enough as I go to Brittany for holidays and generally bring back a 6-pack.
Is O'Hara's Red related to the "original" Lett's? Is the American or French closer to the the original Lett's? I think Lett's got out of brewing around the 1950's.
Why oh why can't someone in Ireland revive the brand?
Does anyone have a recipe close to it or which book does (I only possess Papazian's masterpieces) (I don't suppose any member remembers the actual brew).
Most hotels and bars still only have foreign brands, Guinness, or big brewery "real ale" brands, which are good enough but we do hate globalisation, don't we? (sorry if that's politics).
Gets tricky to recreate old Irish beers from defunct breweries. I don't think the brewing logs are as well kept as the equivalent logs in the uk, and many of the producers of malt and hops are probably gone too.
But it would be nice to recreate an original Irish red. I had Sullivan's once and liked it, and their approach to reproducing it was good if I recall
Good, I haven't had Sullivan's Red yet, but O'Hara's I have and as I recall it's quite good.
So I'll try the Sullivan's.
The "George Killian's" (based GK Lett's red beer from Enniscorthy, historical) was also quite good - I've finished my last bottle recently.
I suppose the best would be to do a tasting, preferable community, of, let's say, these 3 and a few more, though I see there are at least 8 reds being produced in Ireland.
By the way, it seems "George Killian's" is claiming to be from the original recipe, whether that is true or not.
S
White Gypsy Ruby is my "go to" pint when I want something sessionable, luckily it's available in Caribou and the Bierhaus in Galway. Sullivan's is a great pint too IMO, hopefully we'll start to see it more available nationally in 2019.
For our honeymoon in April we went on a Mediterranean cruise, which included a day trip to Florence. We went to an Irish bar there for some refreshment, and there was a Kilkenny Strong Ale at 6% abv on tap. I thought it was a smashing beer, not too much info online but from what I can find it seems to be limited to the Italian market only.
I have being tasting various Red ales recently and find that the Crafty Red ale in Lidl is my favorite.
Quote from: BrewDorg on October 25, 2018, 10:40:53 AM
Agree with that. Sullivan's export is the best red I've had in recent times. Fair bit better than the original.
Wouldn't be difficult.
Resurrecting MY old thread here. decided to brew a red and decided to follow this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian%27s . I brewed an Irish Red Ale, lager style. Tastes great.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian%27s#George_Killian's_Irish_Red
Not their recipe mind but myown ;)
What was your grain bill I wonder?
Maris Otter 60%
Vienna malt 20%
Caraaroma malt 10%
Cara Red malt 6%
Flaked Oats 4%
Centennial hops 97G
34/70 yeast and fermented it as a Lager. Cold conditioned for 95 days.
Beer is crystal clear and tastes GREAT :-*
Thirsty now (8ish am! ??? :P )
My favorite is O' Hara's Irish Red at the Duke on tap!