https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/electric-digital-mashing-bin-boiler-32-litre-p-2210.html
https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/peco-beermakers-professional-boiler-32lt-includes-hop-strainer-p-2211.html
Can someone explain to me what the difference is between these two models other than what looks like a very expensive Stc1000 setup ? I am looking into getting one of these but if that Stc1000 setup is the only real difference i would go for the cheaper one and add the Stc1000 myself down the line. ;D
Basically the add-on of a pre-wired temp controller. Stc wouldn't be able to handle the amps of the peco
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=400706605077&alt=web
That would work.
Quote from: armedcor on July 18, 2015, 08:04:29 PM
Basically the add-on of a pre-wired temp controller. Stc wouldn't be able to handle the amps of the peco
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=400706605077&alt=web
That would work.
So basically a beefed up STc1000 type setup ? Didn't think of the amperege issue so cheers for that tip,just need to find a thermowell to suit the above now and i am sorted. ;D
I was thinking if getting one to turn my old peco boiler into a hlt. Tbh if it seems anyway water proof I'll probably just throw the probe straight into the water.
Quote from: armedcor on July 18, 2015, 08:24:27 PM
I was thinking if getting one to turn my old peco boiler into a hlt. Tbh if it seems anyway water proof I'll probably just throw the probe straight into the water.
When i get that cheaper one i like the idea of being able to use it as an MT also so would prefer to get a thermowell although i suppose i could get away without it if i had to. ;D
Stc is rated to 10A so it should just work for a peco. They're under 2.4kw right?
They're 2.4kw aren't they? At 230v that's like 10.4a
Just found this one on HBW
http://www.homebrewwest.ie/peco-eb1-beermakers-32-litre-24-kw-mashing-bin-with-thermostat-3950-p.asp
Analogue controller Pid controlling element is what you need
Quote from: Ciderhead on July 19, 2015, 12:09:32 AM
Analogue controller Pid controlling element is what you need
That sounds expensive. ;D
Pid would cost you max 40 way better than stc for mash
Quote from: Ciderhead on July 19, 2015, 09:03:17 AM
Pid would cost you max 40 way better than stc for mash
Looks like you are suggesting maybe a "from scratch" type build so CH ? I guess if i am going the route you seem to be suggesting(if i am following your line of thought correctly) i would be better off to buy a 30 litre SS pot and bung in a couple of elements and run the lot off one of those Pid thingys ? ;D
So guys what are the disadvantages if any to using any of the bucket type boiler setups like those i have linked as examples above ? I am looking to keep costs as low as possible,the idea being to cover the cost of the new setup from the sale of my four glass carboys(thanks again CH), as i have a full 3V system anyway and was aiming more towards a 1V system with my MT as backup if needed for bigger grain bills(basically boiler/HLT in one). ;D
You could use a pid with the peco boiler, would be easy enough. Would require a bit a wiring. I've no experience and managed to put together a brewery controller easy enough.
Quote from: armedcor on July 19, 2015, 11:47:50 PM
You could use a pid with the peco boiler, would be easy enough. Would require a bit a wiring. I've no experience and managed to put together a brewery controller easy enough.
I think that is more or less what CH was suggesting also,tbh if i am going down that route what i would do is build my own boiler out of one of the sturdier Fv buckets,use a Charlie Shiels element from my current keggle and wire up the Pid. ;D
Another reason for doing it this way also is that one of the buckets like below will fit under the extraction hood on my cooker top in my kitchen so i can brew indoors,something i tried to do with the keg setup and spent next two days cleaning the walls from steam/wort residue(it was raining out gimme a break). ;D
https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/33-litre-fermentation-vessel-graduated-p-1986.html
I get it. I spent a whole morning after brewing scrubbing walls once. Not fun at all!
I use it with my burco boiler which has a 3kW (at 240V from manual) heating element it works fine with no issues.
I get a feeling they're rated to take 13A.
Quote from: neoanto on July 21, 2015, 11:20:05 AM
I use it with my burco boiler which has a 3kW (at 240V from manual) heating element it works fine with no issues.
I get a feeling they're rated to take 13A.
To what do you refer there boss ;D
Sorry meant to say the STC 1000.
Quote from: neoanto on July 21, 2015, 11:20:05 AM
I use it with my burco boiler which has a 3kW (at 240V from manual) heating element it works fine with no issues.
I get a feeling they're rated to take 13A.
They may well be but i would hate to chance it without knowing for certain,i think this is one instance where the Pid might win out even for a tight arse like me ;D
It is something i would like to hear for sure on though so if anyone out there has the specs for power rating on an stc1000 i would appreciate it. ;D
Stc1000 is 10A, you could wire a new higher rated relay into it but pid might be the easier option.
Quote from: mrmeindl on July 21, 2015, 09:39:01 PM
The STC1000 will be fine, it's just a bit shite at doing the temperature controlling - tends to overshoot.
Not ideal, but you could always set a lower target, that way you don't overshoot as much.
Or for little money, just get a pid with a relay and do it properly the first time around :)
That said, I'm still using an stc1000 and I set the temp 2C higher and herms to get my target temp held. For mash in, I let it ramp over the temp and throw the water into the mash tun, which heats it up for me and eats up the temp difference.
Quote from: molc on July 22, 2015, 08:33:15 AM
Or for little money, just get a pid with a relay and do it properly the first time around :)
That said, I'm still using an stc1000 and I set the temp 2C higher and herms to get my target temp held. For mash in, I let it ramp over the temp and throw the water into the mash tun, which heats it up for me and eats up the temp difference.
I am going to get a Pid setup,it might cost a few quid extra but the flip side of that is that once it is setup for this boiler it is setup for a keg or anything else i decided to use it for down the line.
The stc1000 might well do the job but if ya have to be faaffing about with fluctuating temps or are skirting the safety margin then why bother. ;D
I actually had a look at a spare STC-1000 i have.
the two relays are rated at 12A 125VAC and 15A 125VAC.
I'm not sure why there are two different current ratings for the same voltage though.