Title: Chugger setup
Post by: Pheeel on August 12, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
Post by: Pheeel on August 12, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
So I got my inline chugger last night. I think I want to setup it up something like the below. How have others done it?
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Shanna on August 12, 2015, 01:56:11 PM
Post by: Shanna on August 12, 2015, 01:56:11 PM
I used a three way output on my own chugger and connected two ball valves to the two outputs that are at right angles to each other. I would describe these an as a prime valve and outflow valve.
Outflow Valve
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Pump
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Input liquid source
The prime valve is first opened with the outflow valve closed and this is used to draw liquid in to the chamber of the pump, to prime it. I have a small length of tubing that I use to siphon liquid off and once liquid starts to exit that tube I close the prime valve. At this stage the pump housing should be filled with enough liquid to allow the pump to work. At this stage I open the outflow valve and then flick the switch on the pump power and heh presto all things being equal the liquid gets pumped out.
Shanna
Outflow Valve
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=--- Prime valve
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Pump
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Input liquid source
The prime valve is first opened with the outflow valve closed and this is used to draw liquid in to the chamber of the pump, to prime it. I have a small length of tubing that I use to siphon liquid off and once liquid starts to exit that tube I close the prime valve. At this stage the pump housing should be filled with enough liquid to allow the pump to work. At this stage I open the outflow valve and then flick the switch on the pump power and heh presto all things being equal the liquid gets pumped out.
Shanna
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Leann ull on August 12, 2015, 02:09:32 PM
Post by: Leann ull on August 12, 2015, 02:09:32 PM
2 massive things with chuggers
Never ever let them run with no fluid in them even for 10 secs
Always have a restricted outflow to keep pressure on the head, you don't need valves to do this, a lower diameter tube or standard disconnects on the out flow with open bore on the feed will have the same effect
Never ever let them run with no fluid in them even for 10 secs
Always have a restricted outflow to keep pressure on the head, you don't need valves to do this, a lower diameter tube or standard disconnects on the out flow with open bore on the feed will have the same effect
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Pheeel on August 12, 2015, 03:02:58 PM
Post by: Pheeel on August 12, 2015, 03:02:58 PM
Shanna, is it something like this?
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 12, 2015, 03:54:21 PM
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 12, 2015, 03:54:21 PM
My inline setup:
(http://i.imgur.com/VbnsW3Kl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VbnsW3Kl.jpg)
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Simon_ on August 12, 2015, 03:56:24 PM
Post by: Simon_ on August 12, 2015, 03:56:24 PM
Pheel = MS Paint renaissance master
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Shanna on August 12, 2015, 05:27:50 PM
Post by: Shanna on August 12, 2015, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: Pheeel on August 12, 2015, 03:02:58 PMYes something similar but with more modest ss valves.
Shanna, is it something like this?
Shanna
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Shanna on August 12, 2015, 05:28:50 PM
Post by: Shanna on August 12, 2015, 05:28:50 PM
Quote from: Ciderhead on August 12, 2015, 02:09:32 PMYes I only use the valves to prevent me from pouring wort all over the place.
2 massive things with chuggers
Never ever let them run with no fluid in them even for 10 secs
Always have a restricted outflow to keep pressure on the head, you don't need valves to do this, a lower diameter tube or standard disconnects on the out flow with open bore on the feed will have the same effect
Shanna
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: delzep on August 12, 2015, 09:38:34 PM
Post by: delzep on August 12, 2015, 09:38:34 PM
Hows about either of these set ups? Using silicone tubing and barbed connections
(http://i.imgur.com/q1CM7uBl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/q1CM7uBl.jpg)
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: imark on August 13, 2015, 05:15:18 PM
Post by: imark on August 13, 2015, 05:15:18 PM
Quote from: Hop Bomb on August 12, 2015, 03:54:21 PMIs your chiller on the inlet side of the pump? :o
My inline setup:
(http://i.imgur.com/VbnsW3Kl.jpg)
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 13, 2015, 05:21:37 PM
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 13, 2015, 05:21:37 PM
Yes.
Kettle -> HXC -> Pump pulling wort -> Ball valve throttling wort flow -> back to whirlpool arm on kettle.
Kettle -> HXC -> Pump pulling wort -> Ball valve throttling wort flow -> back to whirlpool arm on kettle.
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: imark on August 13, 2015, 06:02:20 PM
Post by: imark on August 13, 2015, 06:02:20 PM
That's interesting. I would have thought it should be after the pump to avoid cavitation?
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 14, 2015, 12:11:04 PM
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 14, 2015, 12:11:04 PM
Its recommended to do it the other way, but Ive never had any issues & it'll be two years this xmas with this setup. I recirc all my liquor from HLT through this pump & chiller while heating it, I sparge through it & chill through it. So its going non stop for 4 or 5 hours on a brew day. I copied it from Tasty McDole. See below:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5288/5258844775_6b7809b968_z.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5288/5258844775_6b7809b968_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: armedcor on August 14, 2015, 12:26:07 PM
Post by: armedcor on August 14, 2015, 12:26:07 PM
Using the hop rocket as a grant? Very smart!
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 14, 2015, 02:49:32 PM
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 14, 2015, 02:49:32 PM
Thats a pic of tastys setup. I used to use the hop rocket like that (its used as an inline filter) but I had awful trouble balancing the flow rates so I gave up. I sold the hop rocket on to Damien on here.
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: imark on August 14, 2015, 06:44:24 PM
Post by: imark on August 14, 2015, 06:44:24 PM
Looks like it doesn't introduce much resistance to the flow. That kind of answers the other worry I had about sanitation of the chiller.
Time to pull the trigger on aliexpress
Time to pull the trigger on aliexpress
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: molc on August 14, 2015, 07:14:54 PM
Post by: molc on August 14, 2015, 07:14:54 PM
I need to not looks at posts like these. Was going to bud a counterflow chilled later in the year, but now I'm tempted by a inline plate chiller!
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 14, 2015, 07:43:57 PM
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 14, 2015, 07:43:57 PM
Y'all got bad GAS! (gear acquisition syndrome)
Yeah by recircing all my hot liquor it pasteurises the chiller & gives an even temp in the hlt. After the brew I just back flush it with a hose & turn it on its side to drain. I do a full CIP every now & then but mainly just do the above method.
When wort is chilled to pitching temp I kill the flow, disconnect the chiller from the line up & recirc from BK to chugger back to whirlpool arm. Gets a really good vortex going. I do that for 20 mins & then turn it off & clean up. Let it all settle out & I get a really great cone in the middle. Using a hop spider for all my hops though as they'd just clog my chiller & pump otherwise.
(http://i.imgur.com/rD6H9Fel.jpg)
Yeah by recircing all my hot liquor it pasteurises the chiller & gives an even temp in the hlt. After the brew I just back flush it with a hose & turn it on its side to drain. I do a full CIP every now & then but mainly just do the above method.
When wort is chilled to pitching temp I kill the flow, disconnect the chiller from the line up & recirc from BK to chugger back to whirlpool arm. Gets a really good vortex going. I do that for 20 mins & then turn it off & clean up. Let it all settle out & I get a really great cone in the middle. Using a hop spider for all my hops though as they'd just clog my chiller & pump otherwise.
(http://i.imgur.com/rD6H9Fel.jpg)
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: armedcor on August 14, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
Post by: armedcor on August 14, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: molc on August 14, 2015, 07:14:54 PM
I need to not looks at posts like these. Was going to bud a counterflow chilled later in the year, but now I'm tempted by a inline plate chiller!
Molc I can absolutely recommend this plate chiller...It's a monster, definitely overkill for my 5 gallon batches. Basically chills my wort as fast as I can pump it through with my solar pump.
https://www.brewbuilder.co.uk/125kw-30-plate-chiller.html
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: molc on August 14, 2015, 07:48:07 PM
Post by: molc on August 14, 2015, 07:48:07 PM
Quote from: armedcor on August 14, 2015, 07:46:57 PMShhhhhh ;)Quote from: molc on August 14, 2015, 07:14:54 PM
I need to not looks at posts like these. Was going to bud a counterflow chilled later in the year, but now I'm tempted by a inline plate chiller!
Molc I can absolutely recommend this plate chiller...It's a monster, definitely overkill for my 5 gallon batches. Basically chills my wort as fast as I can pump it through with my solar pump.
https://www.brewbuilder.co.uk/125kw-30-plate-chiller.html
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: armedcor on August 14, 2015, 07:52:27 PM
Post by: armedcor on August 14, 2015, 07:52:27 PM
:P
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Will_D on August 14, 2015, 09:28:56 PM
Post by: Will_D on August 14, 2015, 09:28:56 PM
Just remember that Chuggers cannot/will not suck carbonated beer out of a cornie keg!
How do I know this?
Just ask the NCB cask fillers!
How do I know this?
Just ask the NCB cask fillers!
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Leann ull on August 14, 2015, 10:16:11 PM
Post by: Leann ull on August 14, 2015, 10:16:11 PM
Where does all the cold break go to in plate chillers :( i suppose that and stories of fellas in US cleaning is why I've resisted convince me?...please :)
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 14, 2015, 10:54:37 PM
Post by: Hop Bomb on August 14, 2015, 10:54:37 PM
That cone in the pic above is all the cold break. It forms into little pearls & drops out during the whirlpool recirc chill.
If you dont recirc chill but chill straight to your FV then it all goes into there. You will lose 5 litres of beer to it.
If you dont recirc chill but chill straight to your FV then it all goes into there. You will lose 5 litres of beer to it.
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: imark on August 15, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
Post by: imark on August 15, 2015, 10:34:10 AM
Wasn't thinking of using a hop spider. Is there an issue using pellet hops directly through the plate chiller?
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: armedcor on August 15, 2015, 11:18:40 AM
Post by: armedcor on August 15, 2015, 11:18:40 AM
There's a chance it could clog. And been unable to take apart the plate chiller it's just not something I would risk.
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: Will_D on August 15, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
Post by: Will_D on August 15, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
One other thing about starsan:
Starsan is no good for long term storage. If you rinse the pump through with starsan at the end of the day there will be some left in the pump body. This will not stop future molds and things growing. Rinse through with some Campden water (say 1 ct in 500 ml of water.
That way you will have a sweet pump next time you use it.
I know this because I have left fermenters with SS in them and after a few weeks there are molds developing. I have never had anything growing in SO2 water.
Starsan is no good for long term storage. If you rinse the pump through with starsan at the end of the day there will be some left in the pump body. This will not stop future molds and things growing. Rinse through with some Campden water (say 1 ct in 500 ml of water.
That way you will have a sweet pump next time you use it.
I know this because I have left fermenters with SS in them and after a few weeks there are molds developing. I have never had anything growing in SO2 water.
Title: Re: Chugger setup
Post by: DEMPSEY on August 15, 2015, 01:20:16 PM
Post by: DEMPSEY on August 15, 2015, 01:20:16 PM
Looking at this set up I would suggest that if you don't want to use a hop spider then a counter flow chiller would be the best option for recirculating and chilling as the larger bore pipe in the counterflow will allow hop pellet debris to flow with the wort. When you have finished cooling then continue to whirlpool to have both the hop debris and cold break settle in the middle. :)