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A bit of aliteration here in the title.

Its the Get'er'Brewed Slovenian hops comp.

Just starting this thread for it so I can xref it on the BJCP Comp. Site.

More details will follow shortly!

Class! Been looking for an excuse to try all the new varieties out.

Has this taken place already or is it upcoming?

It has been scheduled for 28th of May

Why is this called Jebb's? only coz' when I was registering comp in the USofA Jebb's (with a soft G) sprang to mind, Geb's with a hard G didn't ring true). Enough already!

So formal anouncement:
[Edit to allow hop purchase]
[Edit: No walkin entries]
[Edit: Payment, Dates and Drop Points announced]
[Edit: Judging now on Sunday 29th]

Open to any paid up member of the NHC or Beoir.

2 x 500 ml plain bottles (crown or swing top). Only one entry allowed!
Entry Fee: €5 [Attatched to a label with elastic bands!]
Prizes: TBA

The beer can be any style and may be brewed with any Malt/yeast/adjuncts but must use GeBs Slovenian hops.
Bittering hops like Magnum, Northern Brewer may be used but must be disclosed on the entry form.

The competion is now BJCP registered and you must declare the style of beer you have made (following Bjcp 2015 style guides). Beers will be judged to style. And prolly there will have to be a BOS round.

If you didn't get hops for free then you may buy the Slovenian Hops from Geb if you want to. If you got them free then you may buy more from GeB.

The hops used should be declared but this information will not be passed onto the judges.

As these hops have been provided for free then a review during and soon after brewing will be appreciated by GeB and the NHC but is not a requirement to enter the competition

Comp. Date and Location: Old Boro, Swords [Sunday 29th]


Registration opens: is now Open !
Registration Closes: Sun 8th May
Drop points: You local club will act as drop point [Note: No walk-ins on the day!]
Drop offs Close: Sun 15th May

Only people who got the free hops can enter?

Aw man.

Can you see any scenario where that stipulation would be relaxed?

Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on February 22, 2016, 09:17:11 AM
Only people who got the free hops can enter?

Aw man.

Can you see any scenario where that stipulation would be relaxed?

what club are you in? get down to your local one where they will have (hopefully at this stage) received their hops.

Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on February 22, 2016, 09:17:11 AM
Only people who got the free hops can enter?

Aw man.

Can you see any scenario where that stipulation would be relaxed?

No, from the post above:

"You may buy more Slovenian Hops from Geb if you want to but this should also be declared on the entry."

Quote from: pob on February 22, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
what club are you in? get down to your local one where they will have (hopefully at this stage) received their hops.

Capital, we've a meet next week that I'll be at, I'll try suss it out.

I never

1. knew about the free hops offer (don't read here enough)
2. obviously didn't order any

Quote from: molc on February 22, 2016, 09:20:11 AM
No, from the post above:

"You may buy more Slovenian Hops from Geb if you want to but this should also be declared on the entry."

The  stipulation is

Open to any paid up member of the NHC or Beoir who got hops from the Get'er'Brewed free hops offer.

the line you quote seems to be an addendum stating that anyone who got the free hops can buy more for the comp, but the comp is only open to people who got free hops, as per that first statement.

If it's worded incorrectly then fine, or if I'm taking it up incorrectly then fine, I'll go and order some (was planning on this anyway).

I was just making sure I don't enter and get disqualified for not getting free hops.

Ahh the ambiguities of using natural language to define things.

Will_D has the final say, but as far as I'm concerned, the only limit is the type of hops, not how they were acquired. The competition is meant to be a showcase for a new source of hops, so the more the merrier.

yeah cool

wasn't there a link to the different hops available, and their characteristics?

...

answering this one myself

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/index.php/topic,14921.0.html

Quote from: molc on February 22, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
Ahh the ambiguities of using natural language to define things.

Will_D has the final say, but as far as I'm concerned, the only limit is the type of hops, not how they were acquired. The competition is meant to be a showcase for a new source of hops, so the more the merrier.

Can we confirm that before I order hops? Totally missed the free thing, but always keen to try new stuff.

The idea was to thank GEB for the free hops. I see no problem with someone buying the hops to enter our comp.

I will chat with the NCB about this and get back to you as soon as possible.

Will

It seems only 1 Capital Brewer got hops.

So yeah

GEB have Tweeted this comp, probably in a bid to boost sales

https://twitter.com/Geterbrewed/status/701732724508377088

Speak to your Club Rep it all came through them

Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on February 22, 2016, 11:11:01 AM
It seems only 1 Capital Brewer got hops.

Well contact Cruiscinlan & ask for some. They were to be distributed amongst the club.

If you need to get more, place an order with Geter' Brewed & add a list of the other hops he didn't order:
Styrian Eureka
Styrian Dana
Styrian Bobek
Savinjski Goldings
Styrian Aurora

And distribute these to the other Capital members.

Quote from: CH on February 22, 2016, 11:47:53 AM
Speak to your Club Rep it all came through them

Except it didn't, only one Captial Brewer had his name down on the list, so he made the order himself. I think he may have only ordered the hops he wanted too, and not the full allocation of the ones he got.

Ok so now you need to go and buy some hops.

BB sorted.

Ok so we had a quick think and so I will be updating the rules.

Basically open to anyone who is full NHC/Beoir.

Irrespective of free hops.

Not sure yet if the varieties of Slovenian hops should be disclosed at all.

May be just that you used more than the 100 gms allocated.

Also still declare bittering hops.

We have a meet tomorrow to thrash out the fine detail and get the registration software inline with the rules.

So if you missed out on the freebees you can still enter by buying th ehops.
Also a review will be appreciated for the bounght hops as well but not mandatory!

Note we may need to cap the number of entries if this is getting too HUGH!

Watch this space

My interest has peaked after watching Slovenian hop farmers who clearly take their promo very seriously
https://vimeo.com/115166361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXSFvFaLRlw

One day Malahide Rugby Club will look like that!

After watching second vid. me and "Nigel-the-welder"  [not Nigel-the-Recipe"] need to get inventing. We have the tractor!

Cheers for the vids CH. interesting to see the harvest process on a large scale.

Quote from: Blueshed on February 22, 2016, 01:42:51 PM
BB sorted.

Picked up a couple bags of hops from Blueshed this morning, thanks for that.

Entry form is now live! Good luck everyone.

http://bit.ly/1UIqnqQ

When you enter, you should get an e-mail with your entry number and also bottle labels to attach to your entries. These can be given in to your local club and will then find their way to the North County.



If you have any issues, just let us know.

Quote from: Will_D on February 22, 2016, 07:34:18 PM


Not sure yet if the varieties of Slovenian hops should be disclosed at all.


Watch this space

Is there any update on this? Do we have to disclose the Slovenian hops on the entry form?

Quote from: JayMc on March 21, 2016, 09:53:34 AM

Quote from: Will_D on February 22, 2016, 07:34:18 PM


Not sure yet if the varieties of Slovenian hops should be disclosed at all.


Watch this space

Is there any update on this? Do we have to disclose the Slovenian hops on the entry form?

There is a space in the entry form to add in the hops used, so you can declare it there. The judges will not be privy to this information and it will only be disclosed after the competition, so the community can get some feedback on the impression of some of the hops.

Sorry lads but can we get a bit of clarification on how the judges will approach the beer styles if they're expecting "English" or "American" hop characteristics and it's something completely different?

I have been thinking about this - and its not easy.

The style can also be decided on after the beer is made - you may design an American Ale but it turns out like a English IPA.

A lot of people in the Nationals were re-categorising there beers before the final entry dates.

So if you register an entry into a specific category you can always change the category when you have assessed the beer.

As Colm says the judges won't be told what hops have been used, but we would like to know what Slovenian hops and other bittering hops have been used.

But what happens if I enter an English IPA and the judges look at the guidelines to see;

Quote"Aroma: A moderate to moderately-high hop aroma of floral,
spicy-peppery or citrus-orange in nature is typical. A slightly
grassy dry-hop aroma is acceptable, but not required. Low to moderate fruitiness is acceptable. "

But the Slovenian hops I have don't match this and their descriptions promise aromas and flavours of;

Quote"Tropical fruits, blueberries, melon, raspberries, elderflower, violet."

and

Quote"Apple, pineapple, tropical fruits, passion fruit, strawberries, anise."

It's always tricky applying BJCP when people are trying out something different.

From a styles perspective, your example it means the hops don't produce the desired characteristics for that style of beer. It could be entered in specialty IPA category though, with notes added as to the expected hop profile. There are a number of these "catch all" categories for situations like this.

There is space in the BJCP guidelines for beers that don't fit in some of the brackets. At the end of a day, a good beer will show through. If it's a case that the hops produce a profile that people don't feel fit a category, then that's where the notes come into their own.

Happy to put it into Speciality IPA, except...

Quotethe entrant
must describe the type of Specialty IPA and its key
characteristics in comment form so judges will know what to
expect. Entrants may specify specific hop varieties used, if
entrants feel that judges may not recognize the varietal
characteristics of newer hops.

I think the style guide should take priority for all entries.

Any entry where descriptive text is required should be given to the judges, as that is the only way they can judge it correctly.

If the hops were used to make an English ipa, then the variety has no impact on the judges comments and should not be provided to them.

Do we need to update the rules or is the fact we say it's a bjcp competition enough do you reckon?

The fact that its a registered Bjcp competition does not mean it has to be judged to the style guidlines.

Bjcp registered means how the competition is run, It is run to the Bjcp competition standards.

It is meant to be a bit of fun and really the only reason for the style to be mentioned is so that it allows us to put the beers into flights!

We have a few of the Slovenian Hops samples that went unclaimed if anyone needs some extra for this competition, ill check exactly whats left if its of interest.

Quote from: @geterbrewed on March 22, 2016, 08:19:39 AM
We have a few of the Slovenian Hops samples that went unclaimed if anyone needs some extra for this competition, ill check exactly whats left if its of interest.

I'd be interested, is there any Styrian Aurora or Styrian Cascade left?

Quote from: @geterbrewed on March 22, 2016, 08:19:39 AM
We have a few of the Slovenian Hops samples that went unclaimed if anyone needs some extra for this competition, ill check exactly whats left if its of interest.

I'd be interested, I plan on putting an order in with you at the end of this week  :)

Quote from: @geterbrewed on March 22, 2016, 08:19:39 AM
We have a few of the Slovenian Hops samples that went unclaimed if anyone needs some extra for this competition, ill check exactly whats left if its of interest.

As would I, in retrospect I should have gone for the full Capital allocation as there was no other individual intersted.

We gave away 45kg in total of Slovenian hops to various forums and micro breweries and the feedback has been unbelievable so far, we have a small box of mixed 50g packets left so add a note in the comment box of your preference and we'll try and accomodate as best as possible.

Thanks for running the competition to showcase this great hop region

Jonathan

Just Bumping this:

Quote from: molc on March 20, 2016, 07:21:58 PM
Entry form is now live! Good luck everyone.

http://bit.ly/1UIqnqQ

When you enter, you should get an e-mail with your entry number and also bottle labels to attach to your entries. These can be given in to your local club and will then find their way to the North County.

If you have any issues, just let us know.

Quote from: @geterbrewed on March 24, 2016, 09:41:42 AM
We gave away 45kg in total of Slovenian hops to various forums and micro breweries and the feedback has been unbelievable so far, we have a small box of mixed 50g packets left so add a note in the comment box of your preference and we'll try and accomodate as best as possible.

Thanks for running the competition to showcase this great hop region

Jonathan

Excellent, order placed  :)

So closing date is the 1st May, what's the drop-off deadline?!

Thanks,

Fiachra

Quote from: fobster on March 29, 2016, 11:58:31 AM
So closing date is the 1st May, what's the drop-off deadline?!
Fiachra

I have just updated the OP with revised dates:

Registration opens: is now Open !
Registration Closes: Sun 8th May
Drop points: You local club will act as drop point [Note: No walk-ins on the day!]
Drop offs Close: Sun 15th May

Hi,

The '.com' in the club link on the Entry page needs be replaced with '.ie'
as below
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/local-clubs

Have my brew planned and the hops in the freezer so roll on May!

Just a bump on this. Registration closes in 4 days, so get your final entries in before its too late. Also we still need a few judges, so head over to the north county thread and sign up.

Thanks Colm, I musr register!!

The entry form is here

http://bit.ly/1UIqnqQ

When you enter, you should get an e-mail with your entry number and also bottle labels to attach to your entries. These can be given in to your local club and will then find their way to the North County.

If you have any issues, just let us know.

I'll be the Belfast drop point so PM me.

Cheers,

- Barry

Cheers Barry,

I will be in touch early next week about how to get them to Malahide.

Belfast 13th.

Bumping this a entry system closes at midnight tonight!

Open to any paid up member of the NHC or Beoir.

2 x 500 ml plain bottles (crown or swing top). Only one entry allowed!
Entry Fee: €5 [Attatched to a label with elastic bands!]
Prizes: TBA

The beer can be any style and may be brewed with any Malt/yeast/adjuncts but must use GeBs Slovenian hops.
Bittering hops like Magnum, Northern Brewer may be used but must be disclosed on the entry form.

The competion is now BJCP registered and you must declare the style of beer you have made (following Bjcp 2015 style guides). Beers will be judged to style. And prolly there will have to be a BOS round.

If you didn't get hops for free then you may buy the Slovenian Hops from Geb if you want to. If you got them free then you may buy more from GeB.

The hops used should be declared but this information will not be passed onto the judges.

As these hops have been provided for free then a review during and soon after brewing will be appreciated by GeB and the NHC but is not a requirement to enter the competition

Comp. Date and Location: Old Boro, Swords [Sunday 29th]


Registration opens: is now Open !
Registration Closes: Sun 8th May
Drop points: You local club will act as drop point [Note: No walk-ins on the day!]
Drop offs Close: Sun 15th May


I will be contacting the local clubs early next week to sort out the collection logistics when I finally know who and where the entries are!

If I want to change the stated category for my entry, can I just change it on on the label?

Would be best to pm Molc as well. But certainly highlight it on the label!

Oh yeah, change the label and I'll update the spreadsheet. Will be giving that to Will as he's master list for the entries.

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What's the drop point? The Old Boro taking entries?

Quote from: CH on May 05, 2016, 11:40:33 PM
Belfast 13th.

Hey CH. You still planning on crossing the state line on Fri?

-Barry

Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on May 10, 2016, 10:14:32 PM
What's the drop point? The Old Boro taking entries?

No its me! Either at home or at Malahide RFC ( 5 - 7pm)

Believe Fobster is contacting you!

yeah he did, I'll be in touch later thanks

We need some more judges!

This is Bjcp registered and we are looking for 3 or 4 more judges/stewards.

If you want a Bjcp judging point then please register on the NCB thread.

We can collect you from the Dart station, lunch is provided, and then there is the craft festival after!

Just bumpin this!

Hi Guys,

Congrats on the great scores in the exam.

As some may know we ( the North County Brewers) are holding a BJCP registered competion in the Old Borough, Swords on the 29th of May. Thats two weeks tomorrow. We are looking for 3 more judges to help us out. Problem is its on a Sunday. The first train from Dublin gets into malahide at 9:40. We can pick you up from the station!

We aim to start at about 10 am and be finished first round by 12 ish. Then there's a BOS round and then the craft afternoon. We will have beers to give away!

Naturally food is provided for the judges and stewards.

If you can help us out please update this thread:

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/index.php/topic,15375.msg149910.html#msg149910 (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/index.php/topic,15375.msg149910.html#msg149910)

He Will,

I texted yesterday about dropping off the beers, but go no reply (no bother, it was a lovely day, I wasn't stuck to my phone either)

Can I drop this evening, even though it's technically a day late?

Lads would there be any chance of someone involved in the running of this comp to reply to me?

Will is the droppoint so he will have to get back to you on logistics. I've already updated your entry on the spreadsheet, you got my response to that?

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I can also act as drop off. Take a bit of the pressure off Will.
Clarehall / Northern Cross.

Clare Hall be better for me actually.

Yep molc I got your message thanks

Aye and if anyone needs a drop in the Raheny area, just give me a message.

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Will is not in a position to take entries just at the moment.

Yep fair enough. Nigel I can drop down later this evening but not after the 9, or tomorrow evening. I'm fairly familiar with that area so just let me know where to go thanks

I can take in bottles Thursday or Friday evening. Any time after around 5. Based beside Hilton hotel. Pm and we can sort something out.

If any Capital Brewers want to use me as a middle man let me know, I'll be going over to Nigel later in the week.

Savages start judging 9 on a Sunday morning

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BOs standard very high (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160529/e4ced78ee8523d634aa6f7babd4fce5f.jpg)

Great standard overall today with very few low scoring beers. Scoresheets are safety tucked away in my bag for a scan tomorrow morning hopefully.

The results are in!
1st: BrianC with an American Pale.
2nd: Partridge9 with a weisbier
3rd: Cathal with an American Pale.

Grats again to all and thanks to all the organisers and people who helped out through the day. Countless people are involved in running these competitions, without which none of this would happen.
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Couldn't make it out myself, great day for it. Well done to all involved and the medallists!

Looks like you got a great day for it! Well done everyone!!

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Not to be undone by those Wicklow lads, scoresheets are up, indexed by Entry number. The pdf link will be live for a few weeks.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-OosGMPsUNLaW52N2JMbUlkNXc/view?usp=sharing

Actually we normally get them sent the day of the comp

Well done getting them out so quick, I know it's a ball ache.

Glad to see you popped your comp cherry as well loads more comps  now in next 12 months just try not to fix it that they are all NCB winners next time

What a great day and great venue for a competition.

A huge thanks to 'Spoons and all who made this such a well organized and smoothly running competition.

As mentioned above the standard of entries was incredibly high.

After the competition there was the craft fair so more drink to be taken.

Great day out

Thanks again

Will

Are all the scoresheets uploaded? I don't see a scoresheet for a Weiss.

Quote from: Beechlawn Brewing on May 30, 2016, 01:55:53 PM
Are all the scoresheets uploaded? I don't see a scoresheet for a Weiss.

People that were there on the day were able to take away their score-sheets.

Great stuff lads, rapid response!

Great to see them up so promptly.

Need to back to the drawing board to improve my bottling (need to practise with that beergun again ;)).

Great day, V well organised lads, lovely venue (sorry I couldnt stay).

My bottling is a carbonation cap with a rubber bung. A real pain to do, but seems to keep the carbonation. The Vienna was bottled 2 weeks ago with that technique.

Great feedback given. I think I can make the necessary changes to the beer to change it from a 33 score to a medal winner

Well done to the winners and everyone involved in running the competition, great to see such an efficient organisation at work!

My American/Slovenian IPA scored a 38. I'm quite happy with that considering these were hops I had never used before and the recipe was literally thrown together while I was heating water for the mash  ;D


Any chance that the scores of the beers from people who attended the comp and got their scoreheets on the day could be posted?  I'd like to see where I finished overall (Didn't know I had a competitive streak until I started entering brewing comps)

Not all were posted as they were collected in person but I was helping in the organisation and I can tell you 38 was well up there there was only 2 in the 40s
Means nothing of course for BOS which is just a beauty show.
Top 6 beers get lined against the wall and three judges dump the ugly friends

Quote from: danger_zone on May 30, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Great feedback given. I think I can make the necessary changes to the beer to change it from a 33 score to a medal winner

+1
Very good feedback from the judges. Based on what was said on the scoresheets I reckon moving 5g of hops from 60 to 0 mins would put my IPA closer to a medal

Most important thing was your beer was carbed and served at correct temp

Quote from: CH on May 30, 2016, 11:46:14 PM
Most important thing was your beer was carbed and served at correct temp

Cheers for that CH. Above and beyond the call of duty as usual, not only driving all the way to Bandon to pick up an entry but I imagine you had my bottles tucked up in a warm blanket for the drive  :) Hope you enjoyed your own bottles.

I was in Bandon seeing a client so yer grand, I did try your beers and they were smashing.

Can I ask where the beer tap frame came from in CH's photo? Have been looking for something like that!

Quote from: sub82 on June 01, 2016, 10:52:53 AM
Can I ask where the beer tap frame came from in CH's photo? Have been looking for something like that!

Think Will made it. It's quite simple to put one together though - just a stand and a frame with some holes drilled in it. I'm sure there's plans online for similar...

Was there much foaming? Lines look exposed to the Sun. (The bits that don't hit pob!)
We managed to chill our kegs in Killarney, but only pulling small sample glasses and pulling foam to start nearly every time on 2m of 5/16 line. In a warm tent.

It wasn't bad actually. All the kegs had been cold that morning so that helps as well, but overall cool beers with good head. Except the strawberry ale. Cathal just put foam and strawberries into that keg :)

Actually James made it!

No problem with the lines being exposed to th s un, clear lines and light beers plus cold kegs and a cooler equals no problems!

Only thing that needed protection was my head!