I finally finished rebuilding my rig... The control panel has 1 stc 1000 (temp only) and 2 pids, a Rex c100 and auberins syl2352p (ramp and soak)...
When I plug it in the Rex and stc show the same temp (.1 difference) BUT the auberins shows -343 and is flashing oral, hold, 6.. Reading and rereading manual but can't find an answer.
Has anybody got any ideas ?
My first thoughts are towards either the sensor type is not set correctly or the polarity is the wrong way around.
This instruction booklet mentions the Oral alarm which you are getting in section 9 of the last page
http://auberins.com/images/Manual/SYL-2352_manual.pdf
Quote from: Sorcerers Apprentice on April 12, 2016, 08:57:47 AM
My first thoughts are towards either the sensor type is not set correctly or the polarity is the wrong way around.
This instruction booklet mentions the Oral alatm which you are getting in section 9 of the last page
http://auberins.com/images/Manual/SYL-2352_manual.pdf
I didn't have that page printed 🙄🙄
I did change the sensor type alright
I'll try switching the wiring round
I know it flashed that when there is no sensor connected so check your wiring and make sure nothing is loose. Then make sure it set up for he correct sensor.
Quote from: nigel_c on April 12, 2016, 10:08:08 AM
I know it flashed that when there is no sensor connected so check your wiring and make sure nothing is loose. Then make sure it set up for he correct sensor.
I checked it was set correctly, sn 21, then disconnected sensor and, yep, same message, I connected another identical sensor and same error...
I then connected a k type sensor, set to sn 0, and it stopped flashing and gave a better reading (not accurate tho)...
Me thinks It's pointing to bad sensors....
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=221940254649&globalID=EBAY-IE
its the sensor and you need to calibrate could be 2 or three degrees depending on the quality of what you are measuring with, try and beg steal borrow a thermopen or other highly calibarted device or test all in ice, boiling and 60.
Rex :(
Auberins or Sestos :)
Quote from: CH on April 12, 2016, 03:30:37 PM
its the sensor and you need to calibrate could be 2 or three degrees depending on the quality of what you are measuring with, try and beg steal borrow a thermopen or other highly calibarted device or test all in ice, boiling and 60.
Rex :(
Auberins or Sestos :)
Rex only for showing temp.. :))
My Rex doesn't even do that, so I'm going to buy proper auberin ones
My aliexpress rex reads 2C off but I just offset my set temperature by that and it's fine.
I couldn't get calibration to work on it but I think it's a because it's a knock off. Still though... it works well and a bit of mental arithmetic is a small price to pay for paying 20% of the price.
Some of the cheaper Rex you can't calibrate, sestos next level up you can, auberins, rolls royce, top of the pile.
Quote from: CH on April 13, 2016, 12:22:07 AM
Some of the cheaper Rex you can't calibrate, sestos next level up you can, auberins, rolls royce, top of the pile.
This is true...but there a bas***d to program 😀😄
Sestos are intuitive enough you just cycle through the parameters and then adjust, don't lose your instruction sheet though!
Turns out the probes were dodgy...Got new ones from auberins
Got a new pid as well just to replace the rex one..BUT NOW ME HEAD IS WRECKED
The stupid thing keeps heating past set value...
Anybody got experience with these that can help me out...
It's auberins syl 2352 😠😖😵😭😱😁😄
How far beyond, did it come back?
Have you calibrated it?
Did you put it through its learning cycle?
Quote from: CH on April 28, 2016, 08:35:26 PM
How far beyond, did it come back?
Have you calibrated it?
Did you put it through its learning cycle?
It went 15c before I cursed it and turned it off.
In terms of calibrating it is reading same temp as 2 other probes (dial thermometer and stc 1000)
I ran it last night but it got to the set point and went beyond by a degree or 2 and it was now late so I got thick and changed something and up it went again at least 10c..
It is running again since 5:45 this evening and still has to get to sv (75 for learning purposes)
Just operator error then?
You need to let it learn and then run in auto mode.
Patience young Luke
Quote from: CH on April 28, 2016, 08:58:23 PM
Just operator error then?
You need to let it learn and then run in auto mode.
Patience young Luke
Oh I've no doubt that the operator caused all this and has no patience (not me of course)...
It takes an age to run the auto tune...
It depends on the heat source and why my 3kw 6l herms pot learns in 30 mins and two of three up and down before it nails it.
I get it to re learn in summer and winter.
I never even asked you what you are using it for?
Hlt/herms.. So I have 30l water in at min, I assume it is switching on and off while learning thus being slow to heat the full 30. Now when I had just let it run it as very fast heating beyond 70.. 3kw element..
I know I should use a smaller pot for the herms but it is what it is lol
Ok so now I'm thick!!!!
I ran the auto tune last night and cut it off fue to time...
I ran it again tnite... Set it for 75c and let it run. It was flashing on and off and slowly heating 25l from 11c. It took fu****g until now from 5:45. And the bastard went up to boiling. Wtf do I have to do to get this f'ng thing to stop where I want it to..........
Any idea of what setting p/I/d should be at also cool setting cause I'm a a fing loss at this stage😖😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
I'm now pissing myself 545 wtf!
Others note herms in hlt works but not ideal as you need a huge element to run it and you just don't get the reponse
I am guessing It wasn't in auto tune mode my sestos has a 1 2 3 setting on one of the sub menus, 1 is learn mode 3 is full on 2 is auto.
You were pumping when you were running if yeah?
Can you post some pics of you set up and a link to your manual online.
I'm just not familiar with auberins but think they are identical to sestos,
Quote from: CH on April 30, 2016, 08:35:53 AM
I'm now pissing myself 545 wtf!
Others note herms in hlt works but not ideal as you need a huge element to run it and you just don't get the reponse
I am guessing It wasn't in auto tune mode my sestos has a 1 2 3 setting on one of the sub menus, 1 is learn mode 3 is full on 2 is auto.
You were pumping when you were running if yeah?
Can you post some pics of you set up and a link to your manual online.
I'm just not familiar with auberins but think they are identical to sestos,
I'll post a pic shortly and link to manual..
It was in auto tune, that's what is pissing me off...in normal mode it heats vv fast but doesn't stop.
I put it in on/off mode after that and it switches the element when it .2 above or below so that works.. But trying to get it to learn agggghhhh...lol it's a 3kw element from brew builder and yep I was pumping agghhhh again
I hear your pain this is all terribly familiar. I wonder could your temp sensor be dodgy. I have a spare if you want to try it. I would suggest for the herms process that you get a much smaller container for the herms pot. I used an insulated Alpack 10 ltr bucket with a 2.7kw element.
I have the sestos like the one CH mentioned. I can picture you doing this & threatening to Chuck everything out after spending another night wasted with no closer to an answer.
http://www.furyrebuild.co.uk/904/
http://www.lindens.nu/projects/sous-vide/en.htm
I found the two links about incredibly useful. I would suggest that you lower the temp from 75 to 30C when running the auto tuning. At least that way you can confirm your configuration works without having to wait for an hour. It should go up past & down a few times before stabilising. I would strongly advise spending time doing some more research 8Over you will find somebody else who has the same problem. Last point also with respect to learning / tuning the pid as I found out you really will have to run the auto tune with grain in the mix as this is what your mash will be like. From my own short tempered bad experience on this set a timer for 1 hour when trying to diagnose it , that way at least you won't have spent another wasted evening in it. Took me nearly a week of frustration to get this through my own head. Best of luck.
Hope this helps.
Shanna
Just on the hlt as a herms, it can certainly work well with your configuration as I have similar. Is there anyway to bypass autotune and get pid values manually?
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Quote from: molc on April 30, 2016, 09:32:47 AM
Just on the hlt as a herms, it can certainly work well with your configuration as I have similar. Is there anyway to bypass autotune and get pid values manually?
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I've switched auto tune off
I =350, P=40 and D=2
Is what they told me in auberins
ive brewed with this now but it still overheats and has to be turned off and on at source to try to control it....not fun.
AnywAys I was wondering was it the ssr? I did try a few tests on it like disconnecting pole 3 (aubern advice) and it stopped working, the LED was syncing with the controller on/off cycle...
Decided I try to run auto tune again this morning and the ssr failed...lol
This is the one I have fotek 40DA (trying to attach pic)
Hopefully that is the problem, any advice on what ssr to get now? Using a 3kw element
Pid manual
http://auberins.com/images/Manual/SYL-2352_manual.pdf
I've read in a few places that a lot of the fotek SSRs are fakes , there's slight differences between the two visually but huge differences when you open them up. Unless you buy from an electronics store(not eBay/aliexpress) I'ts bot guaranteed you're buying a proper one.
Quote from: dcalnan on May 31, 2016, 10:59:58 AM
I've read in a few places that a lot of the fotek SSRs are fakes , there's slight differences between the two visually but huge differences when you open them up. Unless you buy from an electronics store(not eBay/aliexpress) I'ts bot guaranteed you're buying a proper one.
grrrrrr, I was kinda thinking that, it came with a Rex pid which is a pos that can't even read temp lol... Is 40a enough for 3jw element?
I say I got the same item as you as my Rex pid is also a pos. Yeah 40a is plenty the most a 3000w element will draw is 13A but it's better to buy the 40A over a 20A as it will last longer.
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Quote from: dcalnan on May 31, 2016, 11:16:49 AM
I say I got the same item as you as my Rex pid is also a pos. Yeah 40a is plenty the most a 3000w element will draw is 13A but it's better to buy the 40A over a 20A as it will last longer.
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Lesson for today...if your spending a chunk of money on brewing don't half do the job....
I bought auberins pid from auberins, 2 pt100 sensors aRex pid and type sensor (cause it came with ssr) off eBay...ive had to replace 2 pt100 sensors (faulty) and now the ssr and the Rex control cause They don't work.
BUY CHEAP BUY TWICE..
BUY RIGHT BUY ONCE.
Off to auberins ... Credit card at the ready...lol
Just found a Dublin supplier of SSRs 40a are €20 http://www.thermelec.ie/files/10.%20SWITCHING%20DEVICES/Thermelec%20Solid%20State%20Relay%20Leaflet.pdf (http://www.thermelec.ie/files/10.%20SWITCHING%20DEVICES/Thermelec%20Solid%20State%20Relay%20Leaflet.pdf)
Quote from: dcalnan on May 31, 2016, 11:39:25 AM
Just found a Dublin supplier of SSRs 40a are €20 http://www.thermelec.ie/files/10.%20SWITCHING%20DEVICES/Thermelec%20Solid%20State%20Relay%20Leaflet.pdf (http://www.thermelec.ie/files/10.%20SWITCHING%20DEVICES/Thermelec%20Solid%20State%20Relay%20Leaflet.pdf)
Jays us that's great, I'm assuming you got one already? Works ok?
I haven't, I just found them they also had pid's.
3 eBay sestos and ssrs, no problems and is boringly accurate every time!
Chucked a Rex one I had
I use sestos as well. One for HLT and one for boiler.
I also use Rex to monitor my mash. Doesn't control anything though. Just a visual check.
The sestos are really good. Bit of playing around with to get dialed in but when you do you it makes an effortless brewday.
I'm not saying sestos are cheap on the contrary....I just meant the Rex one and the Ssr I got were obviously knock offs, the Ssr decided it had enough today and the Rex can't even tell me the correct temp let alone show any change in temp...the rtd probes when connected were live and also didn't work properly...so they all were a waste of money and effort...
So I had to replace th probes and now the ssr and the Rex is winging its way to HELL 😈😇
There many adages, one of which 'Buy right once'.
Thanks for all the advice and help..
Turned out to be a dodgy ssr that caused all the problems.
Got around to fitting a new one this morning and set the temp to 30,50 then 75 and hit the auto tune and i completed its tune in 30 mins....now sitting happily at 75 for the last couple hours....
Thanks to dcalnan I got the new ssr from the crowd below
It was a bit dearer but it arrived overnight and has a quality feel (time will tell) and it works :)
http://www.thermelec.ie/files/10.%20SWITCHING%20DEVICES/Thermelec%20Solid%20State%20Relay%20Leaflet.pdf
Most important thing is you are up and running!
They look very fancy. I must have been just lucky with the knock off ones I have been using, and probably why I have spares.