National Homebrew Club Ireland

Buy a basic kit for say e100.
For every beer you have, put e2 in the kitty.
15 beers in, you gave enough for your next kit delivered.
Keep going, e2 per beer, upgrading your kit from the kitty, you will eventually have your dream Brouwerij!

I'm still minus, probably coming close to 4 figures now if I was thrifty I'm sure I'd be positive now and it's still cheaper per hour than putting coins in a slot machine

Well there are exceptions  :o

I guess if someone were to ask you how much it cost, the answer is you can make it pay for itself.

Now, what do I need next...

I thought the whole point was that you don't need to overpay for each beer!  ;D

It's called investing.
Diageken have you pay a shed load for something that costs less than homebrew .

I'd say it's a bit late for that for most folks on this board. The marginal cost of a beer is pretty low once you are all-grain, just the hops and yeast really. It's the shiny equipment that does the damage. I reckon I was ahead til I started kegging.

Quote from: mr hoppy on September 07, 2016, 09:03:24 AM
I'd say it's a bit late for that for most folks on this board. The marginal cost of a beer is pretty low once you are all-grain, just the hops and yeast really. It's the shiny equipment that does the damage. I reckon I was ahead til I started kegging.

+1 to that :)

I've kept a log of every brew I've done, since starting over 7 years ago. It was really just to keep track of what went into the brew, size of the brew in pints, etc, along with notes and comments. I also started noting what I spent on ingredients and equipment between brews. 7 years, well over 100 brews later, and I still can't manage to get to under £1 a pint overall. Every time I get close some new piece of shiny just begs to get bought, or a group buy comes up on this forum  :P

-Barry

Quote from: Bazza on September 07, 2016, 09:40:34 AM

Quote from: mr hoppy on September 07, 2016, 09:03:24 AM
I'd say it's a bit late for that for most folks on this board. The marginal cost of a beer is pretty low once you are all-grain, just the hops and yeast really. It's the shiny equipment that does the damage. I reckon I was ahead til I started kegging.

+1 to that :)

I've kept a log of every brew I've done, since starting over 7 years ago. It was really just to keep track of what went into the brew, size of the brew in pints, etc, along with notes and comments. I also started noting what I spent on ingredients and equipment between brews. 7 years, well over 100 brews later, and I still can't manage to get to under £1 a pint overall. Every time I get close some new piece of shiny just begs to get bought, or a group buy comes up on this forum  :P

-Barry

Ssssshh there may be spies among us, they sense talk about money and more shiny stuff. I think there called w***s  very keen sense of "what's that" ability

Besides,  it might start of with just a euro here or there in a kitty box,  but pretty soon,  you'll see someone  post about a prettier kitty box,  so then you'll upgrade to a shiny ss one,  then maybe add some automation controls,  perhaps a level gauge to check on the amount of euros in it and next thing you know,  Grainfather are bringing out their own range of kitty boxes,  and you are thinking- I could make one of those.    Etc very soon that self same kitty box has cost you a pretty penny.  Time to start another kitty for the kitty, 

Time to start drinking Royal Dutch, four for a fiver!

Quote from: mr hoppy on September 07, 2016, 09:03:24 AM
I'd say it's a bit late for that for most folks on this board. The marginal cost of a beer is pretty low once you are all-grain, just the hops and yeast really. It's the shiny equipment that does the damage. I reckon I was ahead til I started kegging.

think of the time you save compared to bottling  :)

I have a basic spreadsheet that tells me what my production cost per bottle is. This is calculating everything bought historically (kit, ingredients etc.) and dividing it by bottles produced. I also have a "forecast" that tells me what it could have been (factoring in ruined batches spillages etc.)

I think current bottle cost is 2.02 and forecast somewhere around 1.34.

Doesnt really encourage me to save for the next batch unfortunately.

Damn I'm a nerd  ;D

I tried that. Put a "Donation" jar beside the kegerator but some git kept robbing it and buying spice bags when I he got drunk.

Ah here lads hobbies are supposed to cost

When you work it out, the more you drink the more you save.  ;)

Quote from: CH on September 07, 2016, 06:31:29 PM
Ah here lads hobbies are supposed to cost

Agree...
Example women/shopping...it cost s you...😱😜

Starting a shiny anonymous group if anyone is interested

FFS lads!  :) - it looks like there are sadder b'stds on the forum than me!

Yippe Kayee MEfer

I am so unsad I am happy :) :)

Start a kitty for the kitty.
He hee!

I know this is a beer thread but I have had some offers from people to buy cider from me. What are my legal rights on this matter?

Quote from: JamMan on September 09, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
I know this is a beer thread but I have had some offers from people to buy cider from me. What are my legal rights on this matter?

Selling any alcohol is wrought with red tape & regs, so best to talk to the specialists on this, Cider Ireland (http://www.ciderireland.com/) & an accountant/tax advisor (would need to go down excise/duty/tax route).

Are you producing it in large amounts? Do you have a business plan? Go out, visit & talk to some of the suppliers (pick a quiet time, just not at a festival)

If it's only few bottles, just give them away & encourage them to start fermenting their own.

Legal rights? without applying for a licence from revenue for cider production you'll be arrested  and prosecuted for duty evasion.
HSE would have a field day with you to as you are selling a consumable and they would want to see your production facilities.
Have they tasted it
Better to barter with no financial transaction on a small scale that attract unwanted attention.

if you own apple orchards you can do some for yourself at markets etc right? Isn't this how Llewellyn started?

Quote from: Eoin on September 09, 2016, 12:10:06 PM
if you own apple orchards you can do some for yourself at markets etc right? Isn't this how Llewellyn started?

You can get away with not paying duty on it but only if you're a farmer and the cider making is not your main source of income. You'd still need to go through all the health and safety checks though.

Quote from: mrmeindl on September 09, 2016, 12:40:12 PM

Quote from: ac13 on September 07, 2016, 05:42:27 PM
I have a basic spreadsheet that tells me what my production cost per bottle is. This is calculating everything bought historically (kit, ingredients etc.) and dividing it by bottles produced. I also have a "forecast" that tells me what it could have been (factoring in ruined batches spillages etc.)

I think current bottle cost is 2.02 and forecast somewhere around 1.34.

Doesnt really encourage me to save for the next batch unfortunately.

Damn I'm a nerd  ;D

I'm the same, think my cost per 500ml bottle including capex and opex is around €1.90 so I'm saving money on every bottle I don't buy in the office since the cheapest would be a tin of Brewdog or a McGargles bottle for 2.50-3.50 ish. I do have to buy a pump or 2, lots of camlocks and other shiny things so the "saving" per bottle will be wiped out shortly!

Exactly -  so to buy a new pump say,  you'd only have to drink 40-50 beers.  If you wanted a ball valve,  it is only 10 beers away,  and you'd still have some of the batch left to get something else. 
Beerconomics turns out to be a very handy reasoning tool when arguing with oneself!

What you guys have been saying I guessed that as much myself and only make small batches at a time and I keep telling people I don't have a licence to sell. But if they throw a party i guess I could bring the booze along and I also do a lot of bartering.

Quote from: JamMan on September 09, 2016, 08:12:47 PM
What you guys have been saying I guessed that as much myself and only make small batches at a time and I keep telling people I don't have a licence to sell. But if they throw a party i guess I could bring the booze along and I also do a lot of bartering.

..... Or what about just bartending instead,  to the nice folks who invited  you to their party!