Flanders Red
OG: 1.050
SRM: 13.6
IBU: 4
Boil Time: 120 Minutes
Grain
Munich I: 48%
Raw Wheat: 20% (torrified or flaked wheat can be substituted in if necessary)
Carahell: 9%
Caravienne or Carared: 9%
Aromatic (not Weyermann's cara-aroma malt, which is too dark): 9%
Special B: 3%
Barley/rice hulls: 2% (optional - the raw wheat can cause problems in the mash. You know your own system best though)
Hops
Hallertauer Mittlefrueh @60 minutes - 4 IBUs
The hop addition is deliberately small so as not to reduce the potential for the lacto to produce acidity. You can use pretty much any weak hop variety (a good excuse to use old ones) but try not to use anything that's too high in alpha acids. We want the hops to keep the beer from spoiling but not hinder the lacto.
Bugs
- Flemish Ale Blend (WLP665) This is a mixed culture that contains sach, lacto, brett and pedio.
- Also add a mix of dregs - I used Cantillon Kriek & Oud Beersel Geuze
- In the barrel we can add some extra pediococcus damnosus to help give a more rounded sourness
Mash Schedule:
The raw wheat needs to be gelatinised before being added to the mash (see below under 'process').
- 50C for 10 minutes
- 63C for 30 minutes
- 70C for 30 minutes
- 77C for 10 minutes
Or if you can only do single infusion: 68C for 90 minutes
Water Treatment:
Chloride: 120ppm
Sulphate: 80ppm
I used lactic acid to control mash pH.
Process
Ferment at 19C. No need for a starter. Through the flemish ale mix and dregs straight in.
You'll need to gelatinise the raw wheat before adding it to the mash. After milling it (it can be difficult to mill - you'll need to use a narrow gauge) put it in a pot with 5 or 6 litres of water. Rest it at 45C for 15 minutes, then raised to 62C for 10 minutes then drew off 2 litres and keep this aside - this starchy liquid can be added to the main mash once the dextrin step (70C) is finished so that the starches will be available for the bugs during fermentation. The remaining grain and liquid in the pot can now be boiled for 15 minutes, to be added to the main mash at end of the saccarification rest at 63C.
If you're doing a single infusion mash, add the 2 litres of starchy wort at the very end of the mash, and add the boiled portion half way through the main mash (you may need to cool the boiled bit down a bit so it doesn't raise the main mash temp).
Fionn - 20 l
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Johnny-20L
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Peter- 20L
Fionn-20L
Johnny-20L
Peter- 20L
Ronan - 20L
Fionn-20L
Johnny-20L
Peter- 20L
Ronan - 20L
Rossa - 20l
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Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Torrified wheat could also be an option instead of doing the cereal mash.
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
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Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
Mark - 20l bugs
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
Mark - 20l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 20L?
12 x 20L=240L
Barrel is 224L/12=18.6L
By the looks of it there'll not be space for mine in this. Can do clean/sour. I assume the roselare blend is ok for this?
Roselare blend is fine. I have a flanders red on the go that uses it. It's coming along nicely.
would people mind if it was smaller batches per person (RIS is 16l...or supposed to be), if not, Mick you can take my place.
I'll only be able to bring cornies along so mine will be less than 20L either way. Happy to drop to 16 if that's what others want.
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
Mark - 20l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 20L?
Anil - 20l bugs?
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
Mark - 20l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 20L?
Anil - 20l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 20l clean
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Fuck sake need to be quick off the draw for these... will do 20l to add if anyone drops of
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
Mark - 20l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 20L?
Anil - 20l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 20l clean
Ferg - 20l bugs?
Why don't you just do a second?
There's only one barrel left
Oops
I'm happy to drop to 15. If everyone drops to 15 then the lads should get in
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
Mark - 15l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 20L?
Anil - 20l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 20l clean
Ferg - 20l bugs?
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
Mark - 15l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 20L?
Anil - 20l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 20l clean
Ferg - 20l bugs?
Fionn-20L bugs
Johnny-20L clean
Peter- 20L bugs
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Des - 20l clean
Mark - 15l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 20L?
Anil - 20l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 20l clean
Ferg - 20l bugs?
Johnny-20L clean
Ronan - 20L clean
Rossa - 20l bugs
Ciaran - 20L clean
Stephen - 20L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 20L bugs
Paul B - 20L bugs
Mark - 15l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 20L?
Anil - 20l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 20l clean
Ferg - 20l bugs?
Ado - 20L
Pretend there's 240L just to be safe
there's 13 of ye now
so 18.5 L each
right, were at 272, we need to get to 230L
some of ye can drop out or do a collab brew with someone else, in which case you get 20L between ye, just cause.
It's up to ye
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L clean
Ronan - 18L clean
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L?
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
Quote from: Dr Jacoby on November 06, 2016, 09:17:32 AM
Flanders Red
OG: 1.050
SRM: 13.6
IBU: 4
Boil Time: 120 Minutes
Grain
Munich I: 48%
Raw Wheat: 20% (torrified or flaked wheat can be substituted in if necessary)
Carahell: 9%
Caravienne or Carared: 9%
Aromatic (not Weyermann's cara-aroma malt, which is too dark): 9%
Special B: 3%
Barley/rice hulls: 2% (optional - the raw wheat can cause problems in the mash. You know your own system best though
Just on ingredients, is there any issue using substitute malts? I ask as these are mainly Weyermann malts, could we specify EBC ranges so we're all ordering the same.
Also for the raw wheat, anyone have an idea of availability? I checked in Polonez, Transylvania and Mròz recently and they didn't have raw wheat (pszenica). None of the HBs have it either.
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L clean
Ronan - 18L clean
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L clean
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L (can do bugs or clean)
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L clean
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
Lads, when does this need to be brewed by? I vaguely remember reading something on the Whatsapp group about letting the beer sit on the Flemish yeast for about a month? If so what's the fill date?
Also i've no problem dropping to 10L Fionn if it's still over prescribed come the fill date.
Lads, I'm dropping out of this fill, there is no way I'm going to get time to brew it. Was there someone else looking to get in on it I can give a heads up to?
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
I must also pull out.
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
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The current list/quantities have us at 218L.
Also gone, no time to brew.
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs - BREWED
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - 18l bugs?
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
I have a batch on the go that i brewed back in February or March. If anyone else drops out and you need a top up I can donate it for the barrel.
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs - BREWED
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed)
Anil - BREWED
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
Jaysus, lads dropping out like bugs
Wow I'm still on this, taught I fell on sword/ got bumped early November.....
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Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs - BREWED
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - 18l bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - 18l clean
Mark - 18l bugs
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed) BREWED
Anil - BREWED
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l bugs?
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs - BREWED
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - out
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs
Des - out
Mark - out
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed) BREWED
Anil - BREWED
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l BREWED
Do we have (a) potential fill date(s)?
Heya
Could ye please put up exactly how much brew ye have each?
Don't want a repeat of the last barrel, and I may have to brew some fresh stuff depending on what ye have.
This will determine the fill date.
Thanks
Peas
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs
Johnny-18L bugs - BREWED
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - out
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs - BREWED 18L
Des - out
Mark - out
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed) BREWED
Anil - BREWED
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l BREWED
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs - brewed 19l
Johnny-18L bugs - BREWED
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - out
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs
Paul B - 18L bugs - BREWED 18L
Des - out
Mark - out
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed) BREWED
Anil - BREWED
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l BREWED
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs - brewed 19l
Johnny-18L bugs - BREWED
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - out
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs. Brewed 18l
Paul B - 18L bugs - BREWED 18L
Des - out
Mark - out
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed) BREWED
Anil - BREWED
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l BREWED
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs - brewed 19l
Johnny-18L bugs - Brewed 20l
Ronan - 18L bugs
Rossa - out
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs. Brewed 18l
Paul B - 18L bugs - BREWED 18L
Des - out
Mark - out
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed) BREWED
Anil - BREWED
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l BREWED
Quote from: Johnnycheech on January 12, 2017, 09:59:32 PM
Fionn/Ado co brew-20L bugs - brewed 19l
Johnny-18L bugs - Brewed 20l
Ronan - 18L bugs
Ciaran - 18L clean
Stephen - 18L bugs
Paul - 18L bugs. Brewed 18l
Paul B - 18L bugs - BREWED 18L
Cruiscinlan - 18L bugs (Roselare blend as agreed) BREWED 24L
Anil - BREWED
GlasBrewInc - 18l clean
Ferg - 18l BREWED
The above is 198L i.e 11 x 18. With the extra it comes to 205L so a further 20L brew is needed even with all the extra.
I have a brew day pencilled in for next weekend, so could jump back on this if needed, but if it needs a month on the yeast then it wouldn'ty be ready for the barrel until close to the end of Feb?
I taught I was kicked back in November, like Des can jump back in next weekend
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Is it beneficial to leave this on yeast longer than a month or should it be moved to secondary once it hits 1.010 and it's been a month on yeast?
Better to move it to secondary
We fill on either the 28th or 29th of Jan?
Either is good here
I'm good for both at the moment too.
Is there any point me brewing it this weekend or is it too late? In the same boat as Des basically.
Also, if I am brewing it, unfortunately I'm away 27-30 Jan...
get ourra me boat
So previous barrel empty starts at 2.23pm tomorrow.
All good?
If you are fill only ye could come around 3.23pm
Jaysis, it's been a year and a few months!
Must do an empty soon.
Will be good to have it on tap over the summer
Any date in mind Fionn?
Any plan for emptying this barrel Fionn? Looking forward to it!