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Title: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on November 24, 2016, 05:45:44 PM
So I'm putting together the household bar, and making a santa list. One of the things I need is beer line, from the corny keg to the tap. On brew Uk (which is where I'm shopping cause I have £60 voucher) they have 3 sizes,
3/16 3/8 and 5/16

What would people recommend? Cheers.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Bazza on November 24, 2016, 08:11:50 PM
I personally think you've more control and less potential foaming with 3/16 line.

Only thing is, most tap and keg connections are 3/8 so you'll need a few of those wee JG connectors to step down from 3/8 to 3/16 and back up again.

Cheers,

- Barry
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: darren996 on November 24, 2016, 09:02:37 PM
Not a kegging expert but I have 5/16 in my system and I get a lovely foam free pour.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Leann ull on November 25, 2016, 12:55:58 AM
3/8 for standard beer or cider
5/16 for Stout
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on November 25, 2016, 07:43:35 PM
So what I'm getting is it's personal preference?
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: krockett on November 25, 2016, 09:11:24 PM
Lots of articles online on this with calculator etc - for example here http://www.calczilla.com/brewing/keg-line-balancing/. With a wider line you'll need a much longer one. Thinner line balances the pressure more and reduces foam.

I use about 8 foot of 5/16 OD line and connectors to 3/8 into my Corny disconnects. From what I remember with 3/8 OD all the way I'd need twice as much to have a normal pour.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Leann ull on November 25, 2016, 09:22:27 PM
Not with flow restrictors
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: krockett on November 25, 2016, 09:40:45 PM
Must look into those!
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: banjobrew on December 02, 2016, 06:23:19 AM
It really depends how far away your taps are from your kegs, both vertical and horizontal distance. There's also the factor of desired beer carbonation volume vs temperature. If you can list all of that I can help you work out what you need.

Horizontal distance:
Vertical distance:
Beer temperature:
Carbonation volumes:
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on December 02, 2016, 06:41:24 AM
Hmmm the distance would be about 1m horizontal and maybe about 1/2m vertical.
The other two will vary I guess depending on the style i brew at the time, but usually pale ale styles.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: banjobrew on December 06, 2016, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: belfastjacko on December 02, 2016, 06:41:24 AM
Hmmm the distance would be about 1m horizontal and maybe about 1/2m vertical.
The other two will vary I guess depending on the style i brew at the time, but usually pale ale styles.

You need to use 2m of 3/16 stepped up at each end with a JG reducer to 3/8 line of 10cm.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on December 06, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Cheers.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on February 20, 2017, 02:33:03 PM
Does anyone know of anyway way to connect two beer lines together other than John guest fittings?

I bought a beer tower that comes with a short length of line, it's close to 3/16" but doesn't quite fit into the John guest fitting.

Is there a barb connector or something that could join them together. I've had a good google around but can't find what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 20, 2017, 02:54:33 PM
Only know of John guest fitting for this. You should be able to get one to fit if it is beer line.
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Post by: Damofto on February 20, 2017, 02:54:57 PM
This might do the job?

http://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/universal-connector-418-mm-p-1508.html

Title: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Leann ull on February 20, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
If you could find something like that in metal?
Where did tap come from
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: TheSumOfAllBeers on February 20, 2017, 05:01:28 PM
If you use some tubing with 10mm interior diameter, you can wrap it around the 3/8 line and secure it with hose clips.
Title: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on February 20, 2017, 07:44:43 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381789151598

This is the one. It's 10mm OD. So it's just slightly too big for the 3/8 connector. I tried to "shave" it but obviously I can't be accurate enough, I tried to heat it make it more malleable but it's just not playing ball.

My original post was wrong it's close to 3/8" not 3/16". Can't get my head round these imperial measurement.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on February 20, 2017, 07:51:29 PM
The 3/16 fits snugly inside it, might get a jubilee clip to secure that, then use JG after that.
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Post by: Dracusse on February 20, 2017, 07:53:20 PM
Why not just get rid of short lines and fit one the lenght you want ?
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on February 20, 2017, 08:10:48 PM
Can't get my hand anywhere near the taps to undo the jubilee clips that came with it, and as far as I can tell the top doesn't come off.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on February 20, 2017, 08:11:17 PM
I think I've worked a solution out in my head anyway. Thanks for your help sometimes just venting can help.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Dracusse on February 20, 2017, 08:14:37 PM
Top should come off ...  imho.
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Dracusse on February 20, 2017, 08:17:19 PM
If no just look for stainles pipe which is can fit in to you lines make a piece  around 4cm long and secure it with clips ...
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Leann ull on February 20, 2017, 08:20:34 PM
be careful interruption to flow can cause foaming
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Will_D on February 20, 2017, 08:51:36 PM
I remember a long,long  time ago at the Shakespeare NHC beer day, Will Davis welded together two beer lines of different sizes using a cigarette lighter for someone who went on to Yellow Belly!
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 20, 2017, 09:22:58 PM
The original pipe had to be fitted on the first place so the tap has to come apart to allow this to happen
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on February 21, 2017, 01:06:34 AM
Yeah that's what I thought but it doesn't turn nor does it "wobble" off, don't want to break it
Title: Re: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: Shanna on February 21, 2017, 07:50:14 AM
Quote from: belfastjacko on February 21, 2017, 01:06:34 AM
Yeah that's what I thought but it doesn't turn nor does it "wobble" off, don't want to break it
Would you.please upload a photo of the problem part/area? Sometimes the John Guest fittings have plastic inserts that can be added in/removed to widen/narrow the hole in the fitting. I have some taps with very narrow fittings that have very small John Guest adaptors clipped in. They are very difficult to remove & I wonder if you have something similar?

Shanna
Title: Beer line ? What size?
Post by: belfastjacko on March 25, 2017, 09:18:10 AM
Sorry folks. Managed to get the top off the tower, a hammer and a plank of wood sorted it. So I just attached the standard size to the taps and worked from there.

First load of pints were massively over carbonated, but now I've moved the keg into my chiller and it seems to have balanced out.

Thanks for all your help you guys have been invaluable. I'll get some photos up when I get the place fully sorted, although now the beer is flowing the tidying stuff away part doesn't seem nearly as important.