Hi there fellow South Dublin brewers & other interested brewers,
Sitting at home at present with two sick children baby sitting and trying to entertain myself by reading some of the brewing books I got from Santa. While browsing through the Camra British Real Ale book by Graham Wheeler I came across the Timothy Taylor Landlord recipe. Got me looking for more details on the actual beer brewed by the brewers themselves. http://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/golden-promise-malt-1kg-simpsons-46-ebc-whole-p-4172.html. They list 100% golden promise malt v 99.3% in the Graham Wheeler recipe (0.7% black malt).
Several of us have talked about doing a communal brewday in the past. I would love to do another one of these again with maybe a gas fired rig, all in one system like a grain father, a traditional 3 vessel system & maybe even an extract version for comparison. This recipe intrigues me as its absolutely simple grain bill & just classic English hops e.g.Golding and Styrian Goldings. I would be interested/willing in hosting a brewday with the four different types of system all trying to brew the same recipe. Am open to convincing whether to all try and produce the same beer e.g. using same hops, yeast & grain bill or else just let each person doing the brew do their own thing. Either way I think it would make for a really cool day and also be a real challenge to get something close to the real thing. Have never done anything as simple as this before so I think it would be a really good test of fundamentals. No mad flavours to hide behind and a real focus on brewing fundamentals such as mash temperature control and hops schedule.
If there is any interest in this will be happy to discuss it further either here on line or at the next South Dublin brewers meeting in the Dark Horse in a few weeks time.
Shanna
Hi Shanna. I'm currently using the Golden promise malt in an ordinary bitter. I used a mangrove jacks yeast Liberty bell . Ideally an English strain better ofc
It's a great malt and a great idea gl
I actually have a TT landlord recipe sitting in my to brew folder for a month or two now, so perfect timing. Golden promise and good fermentation are key to get the most of such a simple recipe, but we'll up for it.
As both our kit are fairly similar, I'll just be bringing myself I guess :)
Quote from: molc on February 12, 2017, 03:02:24 PM
I actually have a TT landlord recipe sitting in my to brew folder for a month or two now, so perfect timing. Golden promise and good fermentation are key to get the most of such a simple recipe, but we'll up for it.
As both our kit are fairly similar, I'll just be bringing myself I guess :)
Need some advise from you re getting the gear to deal with the same volumes we did with the Halloween brew last year. Was thinking of buying a 25kg bag of the golden promise and using either the WYeast 1496 (yorkshire strain) or WL-037. Add to this a hundred grams of both Stryian and EKG and four kilos of light dry malt and we should be good to go. It would be great if we could get somebody to rock up with a gas powered rig and also a grain father (hint hint Bubbles). The shed won't support running the grain father and my own gear so it would probably mean setting it up outside and powering it from the house. With a variety of gears in use we probably want to try and wait till the weather improves meaning its going to have to wait for a few months yet. However no harm in having a yarn about it now.
Shanna
You can just brew to a higher gravity and then dilute at the end. Takes a bit of tweaking in beersmith with the dilution tool to get the numbers right and then your good to go. Also check out an article or two on high gravity brewing to see how you need to tweak hopping rates.
Getting the right yeast strain will make a big difference. Would be interesting to see how it compares to a batch with wlp002 as well.
Quote from: molc on February 12, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
You can just brew to a higher gravity and then dilute at the end. Takes a bit of tweaking in beersmith with the dilution tool to get the numbers right and then your good to go. Also check out an article or two on high gravity brewing to see how you need to tweak hopping rates.
Getting the right yeast strain will make a big difference. Would be interesting to see how it compares to a batch with wlp002 as well.
Will do re the high gravity brewing. Did a 10kg batch for the RIS early doors when starting to brew but its several years ago now. Will take a look out for some articles on this. What I have read so far is that the WYeast 1496 is the actual yeast used by Timothy Taylor but maybe what we can do is to vary a couple of different yeast from the same batch and maybe try something like the WLP-002 on an extract brew.
Shanna
I'll have to fire the thing up myself first, before I do any side by side brewing with people! :)
Great idea, but the recipe wouldn't excite me tbh. I've done a couple of LL type beers before, with mixed results, and I wouldn't be that pushed to do another one, at least not in the next few months.
I'd say it's more important to just get a quality English pale malt (like Crisp, Simpsons, Fawcetts etc.) than it is to specifically get Golden Promise. Though no harm in getting as close to the (alleged) recipe as possible. Btw, I'd take the recipes in that Wheeler book with a big pinch of salt. Not near enough discussion about yeast in that book. He also states in the book that not all of the recipes have been tested, because it would be too time-consuming. How can you argue with that kind of meticulous research...? :-X
That West Yorkshire is often touted to be the golden bullet when attempting a LL clone, but I found it overattenuative and lacking in flavour. Though that is probably down to fermentation temperature. You might have better luck with it.
Best of luck with it anyway.
Would love to be involved with a communal brew day. I am afraid I must echo Bubbles however , haven't ever brewed any English ale styles, and don't plan to either!
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Quote from: Shanna on February 12, 2017, 12:27:01 PM
Several of us have talked about doing a communal brewday in the past. I would love to do another one of these again with maybe a gas fired rig, all in one system like a grain father, a traditional 3 vessel system & maybe even an extract version for comparison.
Brewday sounds good, Grainfather user here & interested.
Quote from: Bubbles on February 13, 2017, 10:01:13 AM
I'll have to fire the thing up myself first, before I do any side by side brewing with people! :)
Great idea, but the recipe wouldn't excite me tbh. I've done a couple of LL type beers before,
Couple of points.
1. It will be a while yet so hopefully it would give you time to get your training wheels off.
2. Am not rigid on and recipe & suggested that one as it seemed a reasonably good beer with a straight forward grain bill. If you had q alternative that would interest you more & encourage you to participate am all ears. Better out than in & would like to encourage participation as its a great way to learn I find.
3. Other thing is would love to see the grain father in action.
Shanna
Quote from: fishjam45 on February 13, 2017, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: Shanna on February 12, 2017, 12:27:01 PM
Several of us have talked about doing a communal brewday in the past. I would love to do another one of these again with maybe a gas fired rig, all in one system like a grain father, a traditional 3 vessel system & maybe even an extract version for comparison.
Brewday sounds good, Grainfather user here & interested.
Cool if your up for it. Might encourage Bubbles to come along as an interested spectator to see how your setting up & using the grain father.
Shanna
Quote from: stevosan on February 13, 2017, 04:10:09 PM
Would love to be involved with a communal brew day. I am afraid I must echo Bubbles however , haven't ever brewed any English ale styles, and don't plan to either!
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Like I posted earlier recipe was a suggestion so there is flexibility. If there is an alternative recipe or style that would interest a wider group & encourage more participation I am open to suggestion. Even having different recipes done on different brewing setups might be the way to go. Just ideas to throw out there. I could do the 3 vessel electric brew & an extract with the grain father & gas being done by others. Throw in a barbeque later in the day & it has the making of a bit of craic.
Shanna
Something with pils and wheat could form a good base for anything Belgian. Oh or a berlinnerweisse!
Quote from: Shanna on February 13, 2017, 10:18:27 PM
Quote from: Bubbles on February 13, 2017, 10:01:13 AM
I'll have to fire the thing up myself first, before I do any side by side brewing with people! :)
Great idea, but the recipe wouldn't excite me tbh. I've done a couple of LL type beers before,
Couple of points.
1. It will be a while yet so hopefully it would give you time to get your training wheels off.
2. Am not rigid on and recipe & suggested that one as it seemed a reasonably good beer with a straight forward grain bill. If you had q alternative that would interest you more & encourage you to participate am all ears. Better out than in & would like to encourage participation as its a great way to learn I find.
3. Other thing is would love to see the grain father in action.
Shanna
I don't want to sway you from your Landlord plan, it's a great idea! Better to have slightly differing approaches though, as molc says. I think I can offer a bit more advice on recipe, so let's talk further at the meet next week.
I'm planning a couple of stouts and pale ales in the next few weeks, as stocks are running dangerously low. I also want to do a big beer for ageing while the weather is still cold.
Quote from: Shanna on February 13, 2017, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: fishjam45 on February 13, 2017, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: Shanna on February 12, 2017, 12:27:01 PM
Several of us have talked about doing a communal brewday in the past. I would love to do another one of these again with maybe a gas fired rig, all in one system like a grain father, a traditional 3 vessel system & maybe even an extract version for comparison.
Brewday sounds good, Grainfather user here & interested.
Cool if your up for it. Might encourage Bubbles to come along as an interested spectator to see how your setting up & using the grain father.
Shanna
Great idea, though I might have popped its cherry by then.
A simple recipe is a great test of brewing skills and fermentation, as you can isolate differences and see what in the process is causing it.
I want to do another SMaSH brew. I also want to make an interesting example of the much maligned style, the Irish Red. :)
Oh Irish red, now there's a great style to do. Beautiful beer if done well and often overlooked
One of GCB comps 🤢
Quote from: Bubbles on February 14, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
I want to do another SMaSH brew. I also want to make an interesting example of the much maligned style, the Irish Red. :)
Heheh snap I recently bought liquid yeast and red malt to do the same :) Even with all of the Smithwick hoha it's something I would like to try & also do some on nitro.
Shanna
If any of you crack the Irish Red let me know. One of those styles that I can never seem to get right.
I'd be well up for a communal brew day lads... don't mind what way it runs...
I do think that a simple pale ale is the best way of refining technique as any flaws have nowhere to hide and are easier to identify...
I also love that simple subtle style so no probs here with a TT Landlord effort- I spose it depends what we're setting out to achieve/learn on the day
More importantly Shanna since last June's event at yours, my life has become a lot more settled- to the point that I feel I might be able to rise to a "signature dish"
Quote from: CC on February 15, 2017, 08:17:33 PM
I'd be well up for a communal brew day lads... don't mind what way it runs...
I do think that a simple pale ale is the best way of refining technique as any flaws have nowhere to hide and are easier to identify...
I also love that simple subtle style so no probs here with a TT Landlord effort- I spose it depends what we're setting out to achieve/learn on the day
More importantly Shanna since last June's event at yours, my life has become a lot more settled- to the point that I feel I might be able to rise to a "signature dish"
Heheheh hand rolled pasta here we gone. I have also tightened up my brew setup since last year. Switched to SS fermenter & also reconfigured my pump setup to minimise the number of disconnecting tubes I need to make. Couple this with the recalibration of my volumes on my HLT & boiler means I am hitting my numbers more.
Shanna
PS: Molc if your reading this could you please send me the beersmith recipe for the Belgian beer you brewed around Halloween. I want to verify that I setting the large brew up correctly.
Sure, will dug it out and send it on. Think I have a manual tweak in it for the dilution level, but it seeks to have worked out :)
Lads was thinking about doing the communal brewday in the weekend before the August bank holiday as my wife & kids are going to visit family overseas that weekend. Should mean that I can prepare this in advance & plan to have the entire day to do this & also arrange something like a barbeque at end of the day.
Shanna
Meant to send you that recipe, doh! Suits me as that's my birthday weekend. As if I needed an excuse to drink ;)
Quote from: molc on March 27, 2017, 05:47:45 PM
Meant to send you that recipe, doh! Suits me as that's my birthday weekend. As if I needed an excuse to drink ;)
Taxi please :)
Shanna
Ph that's a given. Hard enough time staying between the ditches when sober!
Quote from: Shanna on February 12, 2017, 03:45:50 PM
Was thinking of buying a 25kg bag of the golden promise and using either the WYeast 1496 (yorkshire strain) or WL-037. Add to this a hundred grams of both Stryian and EKG and four kilos of light dry malt and we should be good to go.
Shanna
Lads can't seem to find either of these two yeasts in either HBW or THBC online. If anybody knows somewhere else to source these yeasts or else suggest something different or even provide a sample of either would be great.
Shanna
http://www.geterbrewed.ie/wyeast-west-yorkshire-ale-1469/
They shoe as in stock, though you can never trust the website I've found. :/ Shane is doing a white labs order on the Hbc thread if needed as well.
Quote from: molc on May 28, 2017, 06:05:27 PM
http://www.geterbrewed.ie/wyeast-west-yorkshire-ale-1469/
They shoe as in stock, though you can never trust the website I've found. :/ Shane is doing a white labs order on the Hbc thread if needed as well.
Thanks had missed that so updated it there with a request for 4.
Shanna
Why so many packs?
Quote from: molc on May 29, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
Why so many packs?
I want to have some spare but also to allow it bot be grown up separately.
Shanna
Remind me to bring a few slants on the day so you can keep some clean samples in the fridge as well.
Quote from: molc on May 29, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
Remind me to bring a few slants on the day so you can keep some clean samples in the fridge as well.
So that reminds me I have a bag of vials, a pressure cooker & agar. Maybe you feel like doing a slanting session in between the mash doing its thing ;)
Shanna
So going to fix the date here to be Saturday the 29th of July. Hoping to start early enough in the morning around 11:00 so that we can get the brewing & cleanup finished by mid afternoon. That should allow enough time to sort out some food on the grill and have still allow people to get to the dart if need be.
Shanna
Quote from: Shanna on May 31, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
Quote from: molc on May 29, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
Remind me to bring a few slants on the day so you can keep some clean samples in the fridge as well.
So that reminds me I have a bag of vials, a pressure cooker & agar. Maybe you feel like doing a slanting session in between the mash doing its thing ;)
Shanna
Cool! That means I can actually be useful! How many vials will you be doing and I'll do up a step by step guide for the day (I'll need it as much as anyone!)
Quote from: molc on May 31, 2017, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: Shanna on May 31, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
Quote from: molc on May 29, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
Remind me to bring a few slants on the day so you can keep some clean samples in the fridge as well.
So that reminds me I have a bag of vials, a pressure cooker & agar. Maybe you feel like doing a slanting session in between the mash doing its thing ;)
Shanna
Cool! That means I can actually be useful! How many vials will you be doing and I'll do up a step by step guide for the day (I'll need it as much as anyone!)
More interested in the process than the number of vials. However let's say 6 for sake of argument.
Shanna
No worries. Generally I fill the pressure cooker as it's as easy to do a few or many.
Just a quick update that yesterday I ordered the grain, extract, hops & yeast. For any lurkers out there please PM me if your interested in coming along.
Shanna
Just a quick reminder to South Dublin brewers that communal brewday of a Timothy Taylor landlord clone is going to take place in two weeks time on Saturday the 29th of July. Kick off @11:00am. Doing four brews of the same brew including extract, gas 3 vessel all.grain, electric 3 vessel all grain & grain father. Will have a barbeque & a few beers afterwards. Hoping to do some slants & maybe a bit of electronic assembly time permitting. Should be a great day & all welcome. If you want to attend please PM me 4 location details.
Shanna
Quote from: Shanna on July 15, 2017, 06:13:39 PM
Just a quick reminder to South Dublin brewers that communal brewday of a Timothy Taylor landlord clone is going to take place in two weeks time on Saturday the 29th of July. Kick off @11:00am. Doing four brews of the same brew including extract, gas 3 vessel all.grain, electric 3 vessel all grain & grain father. Will have a barbeque & a few beers afterwards. Hoping to do some slants & maybe a bit of electronic assembly time permitting. Should be a great day & all welcome. If you want to attend please PM me 4 location details.
Shanna
Last call for this. 1st yeast starters will be going on from tonight & I am working my way through trying to clean out some of the crap from my garage. It promises to be a busy week.
Shanna
Apologies I should have posted here that South Dublin meet for July being cancelled/rescheduled. Instead of having it in the Dark Horse on the last Thursday of the month we are going to do it in my house on Saturday as part of the brewday.if your a regular participant @our meets just welcome to come along. If you have not been @my house send me a DM for details. Kick off is @11:00 till late. 4 different takes on the same beer, same recipe (bar the extract) same grain batch, same yeast, same water but 3 different brewers & 4 different techniques. Can't wait for the tasting.
Brewing first, followed by a few beers and some gas grilled food, hole the weather appears and if your around you can come and join us.
Shanna