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Title: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 10:38:42 AM
Got a gold medal for this American Pale Ale in 2017 Nationals. Scored 41 overall

2.4kg - Pilsner
1.81kg - Pale
320g - Crystal 40L
250g - Wheat Malt
15g Simcoe @ 90 min
16g Simcoe @ 30 min
20g Simcoe @ 0 min
20g Citra @ 0 min
30g Simcoe - Dry hop
30g Citra - Dry hop
US-05 yeast
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: Qs on March 13, 2017, 11:02:38 AM
Are your 0 minute additions just that or do you steep/whirlpool them?
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 11:14:22 AM
Quote from: Qs on March 13, 2017, 11:02:38 AM
Are your 0 minute additions just that or do you steep/whirlpool them?
No steeping/whirlpooling
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: pob on March 13, 2017, 11:18:54 AM
Any water treatments?
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: pob on March 13, 2017, 11:18:54 AM
Any water treatments?
Nope, not needed down my neck of the woods.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: Ciaran on March 13, 2017, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 10:38:42 AM
Got a gold medal for this American Pale Ale in 2017 Nationals. Scored 41 overall

2.4kg - Pilsner
1.81kg - Pale
320g - Crystal 40L
250g - Wheat Malt
15g Simcoe @ 90 min
16g Simcoe @ 30 min
20g Simcoe @ 0 min
20g Citra @ 0 min
30g Simcoe - Dry hop
30g Citra - Dry hop
US-05 yeast

Well done on the gold.   I had a can of Yellow Belly Citra Pale Ale at the weekend and pilsner and wheat came into my head - would you say it tastes similar to that beer?
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: Ciaran on March 13, 2017, 03:20:38 PM
Quote from: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 10:38:42 AM
Got a gold medal for this American Pale Ale in 2017 Nationals. Scored 41 overall

2.4kg - Pilsner
1.81kg - Pale
320g - Crystal 40L
250g - Wheat Malt
15g Simcoe @ 90 min
16g Simcoe @ 30 min
20g Simcoe @ 0 min
20g Citra @ 0 min
30g Simcoe - Dry hop
30g Citra - Dry hop
US-05 yeast

Well done on the gold.   I had a can of Yellow Belly Citra Pale Ale at the weekend and pilsner and wheat came into my head - would you say it tastes similar to that beer?

Hi Ciaran, thanks for the congrats. I had the Yellowbelly Citra myself at the weekend and I can safely say that my Pale Ale tasted nothing like the YB one. I think single hopped Citra beers have a very distinctive taste with the Citra giving a soft and fruity tone. I think the Citra lets the malt shine through more than other hops. This ale had a nice light body thanks to the Pilsner malt. The use of Simcoe gave this beer an earthier taste and sharpened the taste (if you know what I mean).

It is a lovely beer though. If you get the chance to brew it I don't think you'll disappointed.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: irish_goat on March 13, 2017, 03:46:40 PM
Declan will give you the recipe for Yellowbelly Citra Pale ale if you drop them a tweet. It does have wheat as far as I remember.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: Ciaran on March 13, 2017, 04:40:38 PM
Good to know, an excellent beer it is too.   I follow a couple of the lads from Yellowbelly there but I don't think I can private message unless they're following back unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: vinyljunkie on March 16, 2017, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 11:14:22 AM
Quote from: Qs on March 13, 2017, 11:02:38 AM
Are your 0 minute additions just that or do you steep/whirlpool them?
No steeping/whirlpooling
So you just threw in the 0min additions and chilled? Just interested in the different processes. Congrats on the Gold BTW.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on March 16, 2017, 01:39:17 PM
That's it. The hops were in the kettle for as long as it took to cool it ivy the fermenter. I reckon about 10 minutes. Thanks for the congrats.


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Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: LASERBOY147 on March 16, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
Well done on gold medal! Awesome. 
What did they say you could improve on for the remaining 9 points?
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on March 16, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
Quote from: LASERBOY147 on March 16, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
Well done on gold medal! Awesome. 
Thanks you kindly!
Quote from: LASERBOY147 on March 16, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
What did they say you could improve on for the remaining 9 points?
That's a question I like to see! How can you make this recipe better!!!!!

Let's see, I got the following scores

Aroma

Appearance

Flavor

Mouthfeel

Overall Impression

Comments -
Very pleasant beer and brewed very well to style. Clean ferment with no off flavors. I think beer could do with a little more carbonation
Excellent representation of style! Well balanced beer with really lovely tropical hop aroma.

Based on this there is not a huge amount that I can improve upon ... more carbonation maybe?
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: irish_goat on March 16, 2017, 04:16:11 PM
More carbonation and/or perhaps a slight edit to the malt bill to change the mouthfeel. And if the beer maybe didn't have to wait 2 weeks between competition closing and judging you might have got some more aroma points. You're really working on the finer details there though.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: Leann ull on March 16, 2017, 05:20:45 PM
Lads your not going to score higher than that other than with fresher hops, well done Mick top of the class!
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on March 16, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: CH on March 16, 2017, 05:20:45 PM
Lads your not going to score higher than that other than with fresher hops, well done Mick top of the class!
Cheers CH. Yeah it was a pretty flawless beer. Like you said maybe fresher ingredients might have eeked out a few more points but I was pretty happy with that result.

As Thomas mentioned in an earlier post "You're really working on the finer details there though"
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: irish_goat on March 23, 2017, 09:27:17 AM
Quote from: Ciaran on March 13, 2017, 04:40:38 PM
Good to know, an excellent beer it is too.   I follow a couple of the lads from Yellowbelly there but I don't think I can private message unless they're following back unfortunately.

Quick reply from Declan.

QuoteRough and ready its 75%pils 15%munich 10%wheat. All castle maltings and bitterness kept super low. Double infusion mash. 50 then up to 65. Dry hopped @ 4.5g/l citra for 4/5 days @15°
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: Ciaran on March 23, 2017, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: irish_goat on March 23, 2017, 09:27:17 AM
QuoteRough and ready its 75%pils 15%munich 10%wheat. All castle maltings and bitterness kept super low. Double infusion mash. 50 then up to 65. Dry hopped @ 4.5g/l citra for 4/5 days @15°

Aha, I wasn't barking up the wrong tree after all :)  You know what this means, now I'm going to have to this and brew mick's to compare them.  Thanks for the post!!
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: RobShamrock on April 20, 2017, 02:20:16 PM
Hey Mick, love sound of this receipe those hops in pellet or leaf - guessing pellet, new to all grain,

Ta
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on April 20, 2017, 02:23:06 PM
Hey Rob, yeah all pellet. It was a tasty beer in fairness.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: RobShamrock on April 20, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Ta, have a stout ingredients to hand to do, but gonna order up this for a run mid may something tasty for the good weather :)
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: RobShamrock on May 17, 2017, 09:01:44 AM
Hey Mick, this brew is well on the way just transferred to 2nd, had a sip, very promising be bottling up on sunday ( this only my second all grain)
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on May 17, 2017, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: RobShamrock on May 17, 2017, 09:01:44 AM
Hey Mick, this brew is well on the way just transferred to 2nd, had a sip, very promising be bottling up on sunday ( this only my second all grain)

Nice one Rob! Let me know when it's done. I'm interested to hear how it turns out.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: RobShamrock on June 02, 2017, 09:12:25 AM
Hey Mick, cracked one of these last night only about 10 days in bottle yeast hasnt fully compacted yet and I got some chill haze but my fridge might be turned up a bit high but an absolute beauty of a beer  only my 2nd all grain and very chuffed with result

they wont be lasting long, I better get brewing soon !!   many thanks for sharing
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on June 02, 2017, 09:16:12 AM
Quote from: RobShamrock on June 02, 2017, 09:12:25 AM
Hey Mick, cracked one of these last night only about 10 days in bottle yeast hasnt fully compacted yet and I got some chill haze but my fridge might be turned up a bit high but an absolute beauty of a beer  only my 2nd all grain and very chuffed with result

they wont be lasting long, I better get brewing soon !!   many thanks for sharing
Thanks for letting me know how you got on. Glad it turned out well for you. Good luck with the second batch!
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: FlimFlamFlo on September 04, 2017, 01:04:27 PM
This looks great, thanks for sharing it and congratulations on the win :-)

I'm going to brew this tomorrow and have a question on the dry hopping - how far out from bottling did you do this?

Thanks again,
Flim
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: JDC on September 04, 2017, 01:59:05 PM
Hey Mick, just to echo all that has been said already - Congrats on the Gold, and thanks for sharing the recipe.

I brewed this yesterday, the only difference being that I used the American West B5 Yeast (the one from HBW at BrewCon).  Went into the fermentor at 1.060, so looking forward to trying in a few weeks' time.  I'll report back how it goes.

Cheers,
JDC
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on September 04, 2017, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: FlimFlamFlo on September 04, 2017, 01:04:27 PM
This looks great, thanks for sharing it and congratulations on the win :-)

I'm going to brew this tomorrow and have a question on the dry hopping - how far out from bottling did you do this?

Thanks again,
Flim

Thanks for the congrats,

Re the dry hopping. I dry hopped this once I reached FG. I just added the hops to the fermenter for 4 days before transferring to a keg and cold crashing.

HTH,

Mick
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on September 04, 2017, 02:33:52 PM
Quote from: JDC123 on September 04, 2017, 01:59:05 PM
Hey Mick, just to echo all that has been said already - Congrats on the Gold, and thanks for sharing the recipe.

I brewed this yesterday, the only difference being that I used the American West B5 Yeast (the one from HBW at BrewCon).  Went into the fermentor at 1.060, so looking forward to trying in a few weeks' time.  I'll report back how it goes.

Cheers,
JDC

Cheers JDC, I'll be interesting to see how it finishes up for you.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: FlimFlamFlo on September 04, 2017, 02:39:18 PM
Nice one, thanks again for sharing - I'm really looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on September 04, 2017, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: FlimFlamFlo on September 04, 2017, 02:39:18 PM
Nice one, thanks again for sharing - I'm really looking forward to this one.

You're more than welcome. Happy brewing!
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: coolkidirish on September 12, 2017, 03:27:13 PM
Thanks for the recipe and congrats, what ABV did it come out at in the end? Also, with the mention of aroma, how long did you dry hop for?
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on September 12, 2017, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: coolkidirish on September 12, 2017, 03:27:13 PM
Thanks for the recipe and congrats, what ABV did it come out at in the end? Also, with the mention of aroma, how long did you dry hop for?

4 day dry hop
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: coolkidirish on September 13, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
Thanks Mick, what ABV percentage did you have it at?
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on September 13, 2017, 06:57:52 PM
Quote from: coolkidirish on September 13, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
Thanks Mick, what ABV percentage did you have it at?

Looking through my notes and I can see that it finished at 5.4%
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: JDC on September 18, 2017, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: mick02 on September 12, 2017, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: coolkidirish on September 12, 2017, 03:27:13 PM
Thanks for the recipe and congrats, what ABV did it come out at in the end? Also, with the mention of aroma, how long did you dry hop for?

4 day dry hop

Ah, that's good news - I was meant to keg this yesterday after 3 days dry hopping, but kids and All Ireland finals got in the way.  Will be kegging this evening so with a four day dry hop  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: FlimFlamFlo on September 18, 2017, 06:12:45 PM
Again, I say thank you for sharing!

Just dry hopped today. Went from 1052 - 1010 and if the sip (okay, good mouthful) from the gravity sample is anything to go by, I'm in for a treat in a couple of weeks :-)

Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on September 18, 2017, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: FlimFlamFlo on September 18, 2017, 06:12:45 PM
Again, I say thank you for sharing!

Just dry hopped today. Went from 1052 - 1010 and if the sip (okay, good mouthful) from the gravity sample is anything to go by, I'm in for a treat in a couple of weeks :-)

Yeah it's a tasty beer. All this talk of it is tempting me to brew it again. Enjoy.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: JDC on September 19, 2017, 03:45:47 PM
Kegged mine yesterday.  Finished up at 6.8% which was a lot more than expected (damn Grainfather efficiency).  The smell was amazing, like a tropical fruit juice.  Will report back on the taste test in due course, but the signs are looking good.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: fishjam45 (Colin) on September 19, 2017, 09:11:28 PM
I'll help you taste it Johnathan  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: JDC on October 01, 2017, 10:37:38 AM
So, finally tried this yesterday from the keg with the company of POB. Absolutely cracking beer. Can't believe that there is only two hops as there is so much flavour. May have to dial back on the grain next time brewing on the Grainfather to get the ABV down, but will be enjoying this one. Thanks again for sharing and can see how it was a gold medal beer.
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: Juliogdiana on November 21, 2017, 08:14:24 PM
Is it for 23lts?

Quote from: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 10:38:42 AM
Got a gold medal for this American Pale Ale in 2017 Nationals. Scored 41 overall

2.4kg - Pilsner
1.81kg - Pale
320g - Crystal 40L
250g - Wheat Malt
15g Simcoe @ 90 min
16g Simcoe @ 30 min
20g Simcoe @ 0 min
20g Citra @ 0 min
30g Simcoe - Dry hop
30g Citra - Dry hop
US-05 yeast
Title: Re: 2017 Category 18: Pale American Ale - Gold Medal
Post by: mick02 on November 21, 2017, 08:14:49 PM
Quote from: Juliogdiana on November 21, 2017, 08:14:24 PM
Is it for 23lts?

Quote from: mick02 on March 13, 2017, 10:38:42 AM
Got a gold medal for this American Pale Ale in 2017 Nationals. Scored 41 overall

2.4kg - Pilsner
1.81kg - Pale
320g - Crystal 40L
250g - Wheat Malt
15g Simcoe @ 90 min
16g Simcoe @ 30 min
20g Simcoe @ 0 min
20g Citra @ 0 min
30g Simcoe - Dry hop
30g Citra - Dry hop
US-05 yeast
It is