Title: How much is home brewing?
Post by: nigel_c on August 29, 2018, 08:08:43 PM
Post by: nigel_c on August 29, 2018, 08:08:43 PM
I did a tot of what I've brewed this year and it got me thinking what is the point where it starts to become friended upon?
I've done about 30 brews this year and by my sums have produced about 550L so far. Excluding cider and sours that were started last year and 2 batches i dumped that I wasn't happy with.
Hope I don't get a knock on the door tomorrow from Mr revenge after this post.
So how much are people brewing and what is considered a reasonable level for home production?
I've done about 30 brews this year and by my sums have produced about 550L so far. Excluding cider and sours that were started last year and 2 batches i dumped that I wasn't happy with.
Hope I don't get a knock on the door tomorrow from Mr revenge after this post.
So how much are people brewing and what is considered a reasonable level for home production?
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: Johnn on August 29, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
Post by: Johnn on August 29, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
Maybe the question should be how much of it are you drinking :) I have brewed 5 wine kits and 2 beer kits this year (about 140L) with a few more brews planned before the year is out.
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: Ceedee on August 29, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
Post by: Ceedee on August 29, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
Is there a limit to the amount you can brew at home? I didn't think there was in Ireland (or the U.K.)
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: Dracusse on August 29, 2018, 10:19:38 PM
Post by: Dracusse on August 29, 2018, 10:19:38 PM
there is a limit in germany but not in ireland .... as long as you not selling it no fear to wait revenue knocks you door :)
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: CH on August 30, 2018, 12:37:38 AM
Post by: CH on August 30, 2018, 12:37:38 AM
No limit, but no selling for commercial gain and nothing above 20% if memory serves.
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: TheSumOfAllBeers on August 30, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
Post by: TheSumOfAllBeers on August 30, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
Usually the clause is domestic consumption.
So if you are widely sharing this outside of your home then that's against the law too.
The key thing here is that enforcement is done by excise officials not health and safety or normal police.
It's not worth their time to break into someone's home to enforce 1-2 hundred quid worth of duty.
It's rarely worth it for smaller breweries.
The total alcohol made by homebrewers is paltry and single fermentation is not viable as a bootleg option.
You might make 550L in a year and consider that big. A 800 capacity nightclub will drink that dry in an hour? Two maybe.
So if you are widely sharing this outside of your home then that's against the law too.
The key thing here is that enforcement is done by excise officials not health and safety or normal police.
It's not worth their time to break into someone's home to enforce 1-2 hundred quid worth of duty.
It's rarely worth it for smaller breweries.
The total alcohol made by homebrewers is paltry and single fermentation is not viable as a bootleg option.
You might make 550L in a year and consider that big. A 800 capacity nightclub will drink that dry in an hour? Two maybe.
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: CH on August 30, 2018, 01:32:04 PM
Post by: CH on August 30, 2018, 01:32:04 PM
Or 100 of us at Brewcon
Title: How much is home brewing?
Post by: CH on August 30, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
Post by: CH on August 30, 2018, 01:34:54 PM
Revenue went after a Polish hb chap in Cork 5 or 6 years ago who was selling to offies and they also take a great interest on those premises that produce wine or beer and ferment on the premises.
The focus for revenue is "commercial gain" if somebody has sold an alcoholic product and made an income without paying duty then that's a problem.
Subsection 77 (f) of the 2003 Act provides for relief from Alcohol Products Tax in certain circumstances in respect of wine, Beer, or other fermented beverages, the alcohol content of which is entirely of fermented origin. The relief is confined to such alcohol products produced solely by a private individual in a private premises for consumption by the producer or by the family or guests of such producer, and not produced or supplied for a consideration. Relief does not apply if brewing takes place on a commercial premises.
The focus for revenue is "commercial gain" if somebody has sold an alcoholic product and made an income without paying duty then that's a problem.
Subsection 77 (f) of the 2003 Act provides for relief from Alcohol Products Tax in certain circumstances in respect of wine, Beer, or other fermented beverages, the alcohol content of which is entirely of fermented origin. The relief is confined to such alcohol products produced solely by a private individual in a private premises for consumption by the producer or by the family or guests of such producer, and not produced or supplied for a consideration. Relief does not apply if brewing takes place on a commercial premises.
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: LordEoin on August 30, 2018, 11:34:17 PM
Post by: LordEoin on August 30, 2018, 11:34:17 PM
Quote from: CH on August 30, 2018, 01:34:54 PMWas that the 'Cooper' beer? Rotten stuff so i've heard.
Revenue went after a Polish hb chap in Cork 5 or 6 years ago who was selling to offies
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: CH on August 31, 2018, 01:59:24 AM
Post by: CH on August 31, 2018, 01:59:24 AM
Not sure tbh he was just selling with iffy labels mostly North City.
Title: Re: How much is home brewing?
Post by: nigel_c on August 31, 2018, 10:29:03 AM
Post by: nigel_c on August 31, 2018, 10:29:03 AM
I heard he works for Coors now.