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Title: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Padraic on June 16, 2013, 09:26:52 AM
Venue: W J Kavanagh, Dorset Street, Dublin 1
Date: 29th June 2013 (10:00 - 17:00)

Topic's to be covered:

Styles

1. LIGHT LAGER
A. Lite American Lager
B. Standard American Lager
C. Premium American Lager
D. Munich Helles
E. Dortmunder Export

2. PILSNER
A. German Pilsner (Pils)
B. Bohemian Pilsener
C. Classic American Pilsner
3. EUROPEAN AMBER LAGER
A. Vienna Lager
B. Oktoberfest/Märzen

4. DARK LAGER
A. Dark American Lager
B. Munich Dunkel
C. Schwarzbier

5. BOCK
A. Maibock/Helles Bock
B. Traditional Bock
C. Doppelbock
D. Eisbock

Theory

Malt
Water
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Padraic on June 23, 2013, 07:16:50 PM
Just updating with some of the beer's we expect to be tasting on the day. There was one other taht I could source but it was well out of budget (€46 for a 2 litre bottle of Eggenberg Urbock Dunkel Eisbock) but if we get lucky along the way with other prices it might be worth trying!

Venue: W J Kavanagh, Dorset Street, Dublin 1
Date: 29th June 2013 (10:00 - 17:00)

Topic's to be covered:

Styles

1. LIGHT LAGER
A. Lite American Lager (Coors Light)
B. Standard American Lager (Padst Blue Ribbon)
C. Premium American Lager (Miller Genuine Draft)
D. Munich Helles (Spaten Premium Lager)
E. Dortmunder Export (Unable to source an example in time, will review on the next tasting day)

2. PILSNER
A. German Pilsner (Pils) (Warsteiner)
B. Bohemian Pilsener (Pilsner Urquell)
C. Classic American Pilsner (Unlikely to be able to source at any point)

3. EUROPEAN AMBER LAGER
A. Vienna Lager (Negra Modelo)
B. Oktoberfest/Märzen (Spaten Oktoberfest)

4. DARK LAGER
A. Dark American Lager (Unable to source an example in time, will review on the next tasting day)
B. Munich Dunkel (Hofbrau Dunkel)
C. Schwarzbier (Kulmbacher Monschof Premium Schwartzbier)

5. BOCK
A. Maibock/Helles Bock (Hirsch Mai Bock)
B. Traditional Bock (Monschof bockbier)
C. Doppelbock (Paulaner Salvator)
D. Eisbock

Theory
Malt
Water
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Padraic on June 23, 2013, 07:19:05 PM
Some of the beers...

Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: johnrm on June 23, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
I'll be there in the nick of time.
Pints after?
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: johnrm on June 23, 2013, 08:55:26 PM
I could scour the offies in Cork if I had a shopping list and the required volumes.
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Padraic on June 23, 2013, 09:35:33 PM
If ya don't mind having a look John...

Here are a list of the BJCP recommended beers for the three styles I've been unable to source:

1E - DAB Export, Dortmunder Union Export, Dortmunder Kronen, Ayinger Jahrhundert, Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold, Barrel House Duveneck's Dortmunder, Bell's Lager, Dominion Lager, Gordon Biersch Golden Export, Flensburger Gold.

4A - Dixie Blackened Voodoo, Shiner Bock, San Miguel Dark, Baltika #4, Beck's Dark, Saint Pauli Girl Dark, Warsteiner Dunkel, Heineken Dark Lager, Crystal Diplomat Dark Beer

5D - Kulmbacher Reichelbräu Eisbock, Eggenberg Urbock Dunkel Eisbock, Niagara Eisbock, Capital Eisphyre, Southampton Eisbock
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: johnrm on June 23, 2013, 09:49:12 PM
2litres for each category?
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Padraic on June 23, 2013, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: johnrm on June 23, 2013, 09:49:12 PM
2litres for each category?

Yea 2 litres of each!

Quote from: Il Tubo on June 23, 2013, 09:47:51 PM
Padraic, have you asked Dean McGuinness directly?

No but they do not stock a lot of the beers required unfortunately, possibly for other styles but for lagers. I will check them out for the next few days.
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: johnrm on June 23, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
Cremin and Radley are based in Little Island.
http://www.crdrinks.com/

I've not looked through their full range yet, but thay may be able to supply, or direct us towards a retailer that has the required beers in stock.
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Padraic on June 27, 2013, 01:08:07 PM
Just updateing the dropping of Malt from the theory side. There will be an introduction to tasting and the BJCP tasting that replaces it! It seemed like a better use of my time with a few days to go!

Venue: W J Kavanagh, Dorset Street, Dublin 1
Date: 29th June 2013 (10:00 - 17:00)

Topic's to be covered:

Styles

1. LIGHT LAGER
A. Lite American Lager (Coors Light)
B. Standard American Lager (Padst Blue Ribbon)
C. Premium American Lager (Miller Genuine Draft)
D. Munich Helles (Spaten Premium Lager)
E. Dortmunder Export (Unable to source an example in time, will review on the next tasting day)

2. PILSNER
A. German Pilsner (Pils) (Warsteiner)
B. Bohemian Pilsener (Pilsner Urquell)
C. Classic American Pilsner (Unlikely to be able to source at any point)

3. EUROPEAN AMBER LAGER
A. Vienna Lager (Negra Modelo)
B. Oktoberfest/Märzen (Spaten Oktoberfest)

4. DARK LAGER
A. Dark American Lager (Unable to source an example in time, will review on the next tasting day)
B. Munich Dunkel (Hofbrau Dunkel)
C. Schwarzbier (Kulmbacher Monschof Premium Schwartzbier)

5. BOCK
A. Maibock/Helles Bock (Hirsch Mai Bock)
B. Traditional Bock (Monschof bockbier)
C. Doppelbock (Paulaner Salvator)
D. Eisbock

Theory
Water
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Shane Phelan on June 27, 2013, 02:07:02 PM
+ 2L of infected beer complements of JohnC. (he dropped it over to me last night) :o
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: johnrm on June 27, 2013, 06:15:42 PM
Have ye got the 'off' beer from the Well?
Shane/Ronan lost that puppy and had it returned in the Well.
A 6pack of swing tops.
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: beerfly on June 27, 2013, 06:25:30 PM
did not want to chance walking through the north inner city with a six pack at 1am so left them with shane
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: johnrm on June 27, 2013, 06:37:07 PM
Even off beer is valuable to us.
What are we like?!
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Dunkel on June 29, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
Have to say this was a great day. Just apart from tasting 14 different lager styles, running the gamut (whatever that is) from Coors Light through Schwarzbier to Doppelbock, interesting talk by Will_D on water and Padraic's "How to taste beer and pass the BJCP exam", very good to meet some of the guys from Belfast, Galway and Cork. I reckon we'll have a rake of new, recently-approved, shiny-clean judges for the next National in March.

Hats off to Padraic   ;D
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: johnrm on June 29, 2013, 09:48:40 PM
Aye, he's one stellar chap!
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Andrew on June 30, 2013, 12:48:06 AM
Yep, the forum needs an "Awesome" badge. Padraic and Will were great today. I really appreciate the effort that went into putting together the whole show.

Footnote: I thought the MGD was going to be the worse thing I'd taste today, until that Maibock came along.
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Padraic on June 30, 2013, 11:20:59 AM
Thanks all! it was a good experience going through all of the beers one after the other!

Thanks again to Will and Kevin! It wouldn't have happened without you!

And thanks to everyone else, it might have happened without you but I have a good feeling about the NHC having a very talented group of judges! It was great to see a lot of different clubs were represented! (Obviously the capital brewers being the main club were the best represented :P)

Would anyone like to do a writeup about the day?
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: brenmurph on June 30, 2013, 12:18:15 PM
grand day out...as usual when like-minded people get together for banter (and of course the more formal stuff) you pick up loads of ideas and tips to improve both knowledge and brewing skills.

looking to the next one, tanx to all involved
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Will_D on June 30, 2013, 12:23:55 PM
Really enjoyed the day. Pitty I couldn't stay longer to thank WJKs properly (i.e. Drink beers)

Looking forward to the next one already!

Roll on August!

I think next time we should get a few more and so it would help to introduce ourselves a bit as I didn't catch everyones names and my memory is terrible!

Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Will_D on June 30, 2013, 01:30:33 PM
During the day a few people asked about the entries to the NHC comp in March.

Here is a summary:

1   Light Lagers      2
2   Pilsner      7
3   European Amber Lager      9
4   Dark Lager      2
5   Bocks      1
6   Light Hybrid Beer      14
7   Amber Hybrid      2
8   English Pale Ale      19
9   Scottish & Irish Ale      7
10   American Ale      33
11   English Brown Ale      9
12   Porter      19
13   Stout      36
14   India Pale Ale      37
15   German Wheat and Rye Beer      16
16   Belgian and French Ale      18
17    Sour Ale      2
18   Belgian Strong Ale      17
19   Strong Ale      3
20   Fruit Beer      1
21   Spice/Herb/Vegetable Beer      22
22   Smoke Flavored and Wood Aged Beer      5
23   Specialty Beer      15
24   Traditional Mead      1
25   Melomel (Fruit mead      2
26   Other Mead      0
27   Standard Cider and Perry      15
28   Specialty Cider and Perry      5
         
   Total Entries:      319
Title: Re: BJCP Course Day 1 - 29th June (WJ Kavanagh)
Post by: Cathal O D on June 30, 2013, 09:46:07 PM
Emma and I (stupidly) left our notes behind us in Kavanaghs after the tasting. I rang them but they dont seem to have them. Im wondering if anyone might have picked them up? They were left onto the side near the table we had pints at after. 
Thanks.