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Title: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: delzep on September 02, 2013, 07:20:34 PM
Anyone know where I can get a couple of plastic bottle crates (20 x 500ml or 24 x 500ml)?

Ta
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: delzep on September 02, 2013, 07:25:02 PM
I have 2 20x500ml crates already. Some German beer ones

You referring to Guinness pint bottle crates? They'd be grand too but I would need double the amount
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 02, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
Group buy ;-)


TT
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Blueshed on September 02, 2013, 08:12:52 PM
could we get somebody to make them for us. reckon there would be interest in crates with the club name or logo on them.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Eoin on September 02, 2013, 09:57:36 PM
If you group import a load of German beer in cases......

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Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: irish_goat on September 02, 2013, 10:21:11 PM
Drinkstore will apparently give crates out sometimes.

The company that imports a lot of the German beers doesn't charge a deposit so there's not much incentive for pubs and off licenses to give them back. In saying that they'll not hand them out to total randomers.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Billythegypsy on September 02, 2013, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: Ciderhead on September 02, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
Group buy ;-)


TT

I'd be interested.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 03, 2013, 07:02:49 AM
Anybody know a company that would sell empty crates?

Shanna
Quote from: Billythegypsy on September 02, 2013, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: Ciderhead on September 02, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
Group buy ;-)


TT

I'd be interested.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Garry on September 03, 2013, 09:26:48 AM
Quote
Anybody know a company that would sell empty crates?

http://alex-baird-sons.myshopify.com/

http://www.flaschenkasten.de/en/products.html

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Milk-Wine-Beer-Plastic-Home-Brew-Bottle-Storage-Crate-Holds-12-/300955945692?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Food_SM&var=&hash=item46125f4adc

The ebay link is probably the same as the alex-baird link.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Danny(00833827) on September 03, 2013, 10:13:29 AM
Do you know any plasterers? I think these are a favorite of plasterers when they are doing ceilings, gives them the correct hight they need to work -
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 03, 2013, 09:41:18 PM
based on pallet lots to dublin

12inch crates, 80 on a pallet 12 bottles per crate stg8/crate

9.5inch crate 56 on a pallet 20 bottles per crate stg7/crate
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: delzep on September 03, 2013, 09:51:51 PM
Thats a good price :)

For 500ml bottles yeah?
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 04, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Shall we start a list?

Shanna
Quote from: Ciderhead on September 03, 2013, 09:41:18 PM
based on pallet lots to dublin

12inch crates, 80 on a pallet 12 bottles per crate stg8/crate

9.5inch crate 56 on a pallet 20 bottles per crate stg7/crate
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Jonnycheech on September 13, 2013, 07:15:00 AM
This thread seems to have died but I'd be up for buying 5/6 crates if there was a group-buy happening.

I have asked around a few local places and have been told no due to the brewerys requiring a deposit on the crates from the bars. In fairness I have only moved in to the area so they wouldn't know me.  :'(
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 13, 2013, 09:19:25 AM
Start us off Jc


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Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Garry on September 13, 2013, 09:27:20 AM
I'll start  :)

1. Garry - 8 no - 20 bottle type
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: acaoshes on September 13, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
I've a question before I put an order in.
The smaller 9.5in crates appear to fit less on the pallet than the 12in crates and yet can hold more bottles. I'm confused.
Can someone point out the obvious answer for me.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Garry on September 13, 2013, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: acaoshes on September 13, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
I've a question before I put an order in.
The smaller 9.5in crates appear to fit less on the pallet than the 12in crates and yet can hold more bottles. I'm confused.
Can someone point out the obvious answer for me.
Thanks.

I think the 9in and 12in dimensions refer to the crate height. So the 20 bottle crate would be bigger in length and breadth but smaller in height.  I think the 12 bottle crate (12in) is more suitable for wine bottles but would fit beer bottles too. They're just a little taller than required.

@ Ciderhead, do you have exact dimensions for these?
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: RichC on September 13, 2013, 12:58:24 PM
http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?t=2246#p32877
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Garry on September 13, 2013, 01:19:41 PM
@Lars, if you want to make your own crates have a look at this (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/wiki/doku.php?id=diy_bottle_crate) on the wiki.

It gets boring after you've made 6 of them and if you don't have the materials lying around they end up more expensive than the plastic ones :(
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Jonnycheech on September 13, 2013, 04:37:09 PM
1. Garry - 8 no - 20 bottle type
2. johnnycheech - 5- 20 bottle type
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: acaoshes on September 13, 2013, 07:13:36 PM
@Ciderhead
I'd also like some dimensions please. Most of my 500ml bottles are around 9.5in tall and I'm concerned they won't fit into the 9.5in crate and stack on top of each other.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 13, 2013, 08:23:02 PM
Not a clue jc are you organising this one?
I will pm you the details and you can progress if you confirm same.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: brewerhooer on September 14, 2013, 04:39:17 AM
1. Garry - 8 no - 20 bottle type
2. johnnycheech - 5- 20 bottle type
2. Brewerhooer - 10 20 bottle type

Are the 20 bottle tyes the ones from this pic:
http://alex-baird-sons.myshopify.com/products/multi-trip-crate

I can help/ organise this one if you like... Never been apart of a group buy yet so not sure whats really involved but I have the space at home for this and assume its collect the money, place order, take delivery and arrange the collections?
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 14, 2013, 08:20:11 AM
Ciderhead

How did you figure out the costs and number of crates per pallet? If you have the dimensions of a pallet that I would be great to post here. I can help out and if necessary do this one of nobody else does it.

If you have just   thumbsucked this then no worries I will do a little leg work myself.

Thanks,

Shanna
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Jonnycheech on September 14, 2013, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: Ciderhead on September 13, 2013, 08:23:02 PM
Not a clue jc are you organising this one?
I will pm you the details and you can progress if you confirm same.

Moi? Of course I'm willing to offer my services. Although I will add I have never been part of a group buy, let alone organise one. I might take a back seat on this one and learn the ropes that way. I have ample room to store crates in my shed in Drumcondra if needs be.
Title: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 14, 2013, 10:51:33 AM
Oui vous-meme
GB virgins are the best organisers  full of nervous energy and nobody is going to watch u fail so pm me your email address and I will forward you on what I have so far which isn't much tbh

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Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 14, 2013, 01:57:27 PM
Found the b following catalog location from English pay off the German bottle crate company.

http://www.auer-shop.co.uk/pdf/auer-katalog_en_eur.pdf

Prices are listed but the information on the specs of the crates is not shown. I emailed them along them for a detailed spec of the crates including dimensions of the pallets they use for shipment.

Will update the thread if and when I get a reply or find more info.

Shanna

Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 14, 2013, 02:32:18 PM
ok I will participate but am not running this GB, I am involved in too many as it is, somebody else apart from Shanna(He has done one before), please please step up


This is all the info I have, the prices I quoted were based on a phone call.


On 06/09/2013 10:53, John O' Connell wrote:
Hi David,
We have parked the project for the time being.
Are you aware of anyone in this market with a size 20 Crate I could have a look at?
Thanks
John

From: info@trolleys4milk.co.uk [mailto:info@trolleys4milk.co.uk]
Sent: 06 September 2013 10:48
To: John O' Connell
Subject: Re: Wine/Beer Crates enquiry

On 03/09/2013 21:23, John O' Connell wrote:
Hi
Can you please advise the cost of shipping a pallet of these crates to Dublin.
Thanks
John






Hi John,

Do you wish to place an order ?

Thanks David



--
Thanks David
Alex Baird & Sons
Www.Trolleys4Milk.Co.Uk
07952435707
Hello,

What do you mean by size 20 crate ?

Thanks David


--
Thanks David
Alex Baird & Sons
Www.Trolleys4Milk.Co.Uk
07952435707
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 14, 2013, 03:32:41 PM
Hi Ciderhead

Thanks for that I banged a quick mail  to Germany manufacturer with the English supplier . I found a catalog at http://www.auer-shop.co.uk/pdf/auer-katalog_en_eur.pdf but it had no specification info about the crates in terms of dimensiona or bottles sizes it will take. Will update if I get some more info

Don't mind running with this if others are slow to come forward.  I agree you should not get yourself involved in this as you have too much going on.  Others need to come forward and help with logistics.

Shanna
Quote from: Ciderhead on September 14, 2013, 02:32:18 PM
ok I will participate but am not running this GB, I am involved in too many as it is, somebody else apart from Shanna(He has done one before), please please step up


This is all the info I have, the prices I quoted were based on a phone call.


On 06/09/2013 10:53, John O' Connell wrote:
Hi David,
We have parked the project for the time being.
Are you aware of anyone in this market with a size 20 Crate I could have a look at?
Thanks
John

From: info@trolleys4milk.co.uk [mailto:info@trolleys4milk.co.uk]
Sent: 06 September 2013 10:48
To: John O' Connell
Subject: Re: Wine/Beer Crates enquiry

On 03/09/2013 21:23, John O' Connell wrote:
Hi
Can you please advise the cost of shipping a pallet of these crates to Dublin.
Thanks
John






Hi John,

Do you wish to place an order ?

Thanks David



--
Thanks David
Alex Baird & Sons
Www.Trolleys4Milk.Co.Uk
07952435707
Hello,

What do you mean by size 20 crate ?

Thanks David


--
Thanks David
Alex Baird & Sons
Www.Trolleys4Milk.Co.Uk
07952435707

Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Garry on September 14, 2013, 09:00:10 PM
There doesn't seem to be much interest in this yet but if it goes ahead I assume they would be delivered to someone in Dublin? Johnnycheech has offered his shed anyway. Thanks  :)

I could go to Dublin to collect and do a few drops on the way back to Cork? I don't think I'd manage a full pallet, but I'd get a fair few into the car (Toyota verso) with the back seats down.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 14, 2013, 09:11:59 PM
Garry you have NHC delivery credits so that won't be an issue for you.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: brewerhooer on September 15, 2013, 04:22:07 AM
I wouldn't mind organising this one, I've never been part of a group buy before so just be aware of that. only thing that concerns me is accepting the delivery... would a pallet be dropped to my house or would I have to collect it somewhere? I am driving a car van so if its collection it might take a few runs as I've no idea how big a pallet of these might be.

Also there were two sizes quoted from ciderhead at the beginning of this thread, I assume we will be only doing one of them subject to numbers?

I'm based in Inchicore. Let me know if you think me doing this is a runner and I will email them about pricing, delivery etc.

Current list is:

1. Garry - 8 no - 20 bottle type
2. johnnycheech - 5- 20 bottle type
2. Brewerhooer - 10 20 bottle type

Total 23/56
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 15, 2013, 09:22:46 AM
Hi Brewerhooer,

That is the spirit. I have a pair of a sheds in South county Dublin that I can also offer up.  We can all contribute on this one.  Probably the first thing to do is to get the details of the different crates sorted out including prices etc for a pallet delivery.  There is another group buy in the offing regarding bottles (2100 swing top bottles/210 crates) so if we get the correct type we should have loads of participants. I have already sent an email to one of the suppliers about this and will post an update when I get it.

Pallets are usually delivered by some kind of truck with a dropping tail ramp and a hand truck.  Vehicle access to a shed is not necessarily essential but is preferable unless you fancy hauling stuff around yourself. You should not have to go somewhere else to collect unless you specify this option.  For example some delivery companies allow you to collect from a depot in the East wall etc. Unless you have a pallet truck and a lorry this is not really practical.

I can act as the delivery/storage/distribution point if you want and maybe you can do the organising. Or if you feel like doing everything then I will step back and will offer some help with advice on collection of cash etc.  I would recommend organising the list by club areas once we get going.

By their nature these things are bulky and take up lot of room. Not necessarily a problem for storage but one for collection and distribution.  One other thing I will add myself to the list once I have the details confirmed re the sizes of the bottles they can take.

How much room so you have in your shed? If it came to handling 2 or more pallets could you accommodate it. My assumption here is that this group buy will only be open to club members and that there will be no premium added to the price other than a minimal addition to cover the club costs if the bank facilities of the club are used.

Shanna

Quote from: brewerhooer on September 15, 2013, 04:22:07 AM
I wouldn't mind organising this one, I've never been part of a group buy before so just be aware of that. only thing that concerns me is accepting the delivery... would a pallet be dropped to my house or would I have to collect it somewhere? I am driving a car van so if its collection it might take a few runs as I've no idea how big a pallet of these might be.

Also there were two sizes quoted from ciderhead at the beginning of this thread, I assume we will be only doing one of them subject to numbers?

I'm based in Inchicore. Let me know if you think me doing this is a runner and I will email them about pricing, delivery etc.

Current list is:

1. Garry - 8 no - 20 bottle type
2. johnnycheech - 5- 20 bottle type
2. Brewerhooer - 10 20 bottle type

Total 23/56
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: acaoshes on September 15, 2013, 01:31:39 PM
I'm still interested in this group buy.

However I need to await dimensions of the 9.5in & 12in crate options as I'm unsure which crate to order. All my drunk & empty 500ml bottles are around 9.5in and may stack fit in the 9.5in crates.

@Ciderhead. Did you measure the length of the GB swing top bottles? Asking as I don't want crates that I can't stack fit my new bottles. (More importantly my wife won't want this)

Thanks to everyone organizing the group buys.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 15, 2013, 01:52:34 PM
Read the thread again


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Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: acaoshes on September 15, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
@Ciderhead
I reread the thread again and can only see Shanna awaiting correspondence about dimensions.
I had asked you about the swingtop bottles as you have seen them and if they are taller than 9.5in then I need to order the 12in crates.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Eoin on September 15, 2013, 03:28:21 PM
The beer cases in that brochure should measure D28cm*L40cm*W30cm. I have a stack of cases and that is standard size. I have one other which holds 18 fatter style 500ml fliptops but I never saw this style when I worked over there. So you can pretty safely assume those dimensions are correct.

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Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 15, 2013, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: acaoshes on September 15, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
@Ciderhead
I reread the thread again and can only see Shanna awaiting correspondence about dimensions.
I had asked you about the swingtop bottles as you have seen them and if they are taller than 9.5in then I need to order the 12in crates.


I haven't seen them where did you get that impression?
In Post #69 it says I am going down on Tuesday so sorry can't help you until I've seen them.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: brewerhooer on September 15, 2013, 05:01:39 PM
@Shanna, Thanks for that. I have a decent sized shed and I estimate that I can fit 4-5 standard pallets in there. Its got double doors out to the street too so should be good. If this does grow we may need to consider more storage space but for now I will look after that aspect.

I am part of the bottle GB so I am also interested in confirming that we can fit those bottles into these crates and stack them. I don't have any swing top bottles myself at the minute so I have no idea as to their size generally so can't guestimate it.

Just looking at that brochure from the German manufacturer, they have a crate model #F13 (page 105) that holds 20x500ML swingtop bottles for €5.94 a piece with free delivery(but I imagine the free delivery is Germany only?surely) but still that's not too bad. Will be interested to hear what they come back to you. If they get back can you ask them about delivery costs to Ireland OR forward their mail onto me and I will take over.  ;D

I will certainly need some help/advice on this with organising the payments and such so thanks for the offer... I will take you up on that.

@Ciderhead, we will wait to hear from you re the size of the bottles before we go much further on this as I think once we confirm that they will fit we may have a lot more interested.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 15, 2013, 05:59:56 PM
Cool sounds good.  Great way to get to know people is to organise a group buy. That German crowd have a UK online site from which I downloaded the brochure so I would think the offer of free delivery is within the UK only. Generally speaking the plan is to get a list started to gauge the level of interest based on a price per crate, including transport, taxes and contribution to the club bank account.

Using the club account incurs a nominal charge to cover the cost of a transaction to put money into the account. This is pretty standard now and usually a euro cent amount is agreed with the club to track each transaction and this is added in to the final total. E.g say 10 crates costs €56, transport for 10 crates is €20 (€100 per pallet of 50 crates) €1 for bank account transaction and 9 cent to act as a transaction tracker. Total cost is then €77.09.

Previously when I did the keg group buy I created a google doc spreadsheet to track volumes,  item type, transport and transaction charges and got people to update it with the details of when they have paid. If and when all of the cash is collected then you arrange to have a meeting proforma invoice generated in your name and to be delivered to your address. You should get the vendors bank account details. You then get the club to transfer the required amount to the vendor.

Best when the time comes decide a limit on the number of pallets you want to ship and see if there is sufficient interest. If there is more interest than pallets then maybe consider adding more pallets. Have to see how it will pan out. I was even thinking that to simplify the group buy that you limit the purchase to only the 20*500ml bottles cases so that you can charge a uniform amount for transport.

I think based on Eoins comments we can assume that the cases will have the dimensions he. Before this goes any further I would if you agree get this thread moved to the members only area by a moderator to keep it for members only.

Shanna

Quote from: brewerhooer on September 15, 2013, 05:01:39 PM
@Shanna, Thanks for that. I have a decent sized shed and I estimate that I can fit 4-5 standard pallets in there. Its got double doors out to the street too so should be good. If this does grow we may need to consider more storage space but for now I will look after that aspect.

I am part of the bottle GB so I am also interested in confirming that we can fit those bottles into these crates and stack them. I don't have any swing top bottles myself at the minute so I have no idea as to their size generally so can't guestimate it.

Just looking at that brochure from the German manufacturer, they have a crate model #F13 (page 105) that holds 20x500ML swingtop bottles for €5.94 a piece with free delivery(but I imagine the free delivery is Germany only?surely) but still that's not too bad. Will be interested to hear what they come back to you. If they get back can you ask them about delivery costs to Ireland OR forward their mail onto me and I will take over.  ;D

I will certainly need some help/advice on this with organising the payments and such so thanks for the offer... I will take you up on that.

@Ciderhead, we will wait to hear from you re the size of the bottles before we go much further on this as I think once we confirm that they will fit we may have a lot more interested.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: acaoshes on September 15, 2013, 06:01:53 PM
@Ciderhead
In your post #70 I presumed your answers and photos came from an inspection. Anyways answers on Tuesday.
Thanks for effort so far.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 16, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
Got the following response from the German supplier

"Goo dmorning,
 
Thank you for you rinterest in our products.
 
I inform you that we have a minimum quantity order of 10 000 units for our bottle crates.
 
Best regards

Veronika Schmelmer
Key-Account-Manager"

I got the feeling from the tone of the res p onse that she quoted the 10k figure as a polite form of brush off. I asked her in a follow up email whether she can introduce me to a supplier who might deal in smaller volumes. I also explained that we are a club with bank account that we can use to pay for orders and that we have done bulk purchase of grain, hops,  kegs etc direct from suppliers in the past so there is experience of handling large pallet based orders. Have not gotten a response yet though. If they don't come back I will follow up alternate suppliers from the original thread.

Shanna

Quote from: acaoshes on September 15, 2013, 06:01:53 PM
@Ciderhead
In your post #70 I presumed your answers and photos came from an inspection. Anyways answers on Tuesday.
Thanks for effort so far.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Garry on September 16, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
10,000 units = 143 pallets! :o

I don't think they want to be dealing with the likes of us by the sounds of it?

Thanks for trying anyway.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 16, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
It might be v so but I kind of thought from the mail they might not think we are very serious hence my follow ups. Have had similar with yeast manufacturers when contacting them direct.  Must big suppliers will have smaller distributors that would deal with smaller orders.  I queried this with them and I hope they will get back to me.

Have not given up on this.

Shanna
Quote from: Garry on September 16, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
10,000 units = 143 pallets! :o

I don't think they want to be dealing with the likes of us by the sounds of it?

Thanks for trying anyway.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Rossa on September 16, 2013, 09:03:06 PM
How many are we after?
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 16, 2013, 09:11:09 PM
2,100/20 + others = lots, probably 300
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 16, 2013, 10:33:21 PM
Hi there

Just found another beer crate supplier in Google

http://www.systempack.de/prod-kast-20x500x300.html

Have mailed them asking to confirm can they help us out.  I asked for a unit cost for a single pallet with the option to add more pallets if needed and whether we could get a discount for subsequent pallets.

Hope they will reply positively and not blow us off like the other company.

Regards

Shanna
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Chris on September 16, 2013, 11:12:39 PM
I'm near New Castle West. I have noticed the old Nash's lemonade factory which is closed down a number of years has hundreds of bottle crates in the yard. I will try to find out who currently has control of it and if they will give us the crates.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 16, 2013, 11:19:49 PM
Nice job Chris,
You would need to check the integrity as all crates are made from HDPE but become brittle with exposure to uv even with an additive
The bases are usually thin lattice and that goes first especially if they have been abused
Black or grey crates perform best
Red, blue or green in that order are the worst.


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Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Chris on September 17, 2013, 10:36:51 PM
I think most are blue, back to work Thursday will know more then.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: LordEoin on September 18, 2013, 06:39:51 PM
Because delivering a heap of bulky empty crates to me from Dublin would be an utter balls, I'm grabbing some cheap locally at:
http://www.donedeal.ie/stock-for-sale/crates-trays/5573650 (http://www.donedeal.ie/stock-for-sale/crates-trays/5573650)
I'll be picking them up with Garry on Saturday afternoon.

If anyone else down south wants some, speak up.
We'll try picking out the best ones to whatever numbers we need in total (there's about 120 crates left all together)
We'll be able to store them for a while too so there's no problem with pickup (or delivery if it's not a million miles out of the way).

They're only €2 each, but they're stackable, seem solid and will easily hold 12 X 1 liter bottles each.
I have a few more pics on my phone, but won't be able to post them until later tonight.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 18, 2013, 08:17:58 PM
Where in Cork are you based Eoin?

Shanna
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: LordEoin on September 18, 2013, 08:58:47 PM
North Cork, Kanturk.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 18, 2013, 11:11:02 PM
Found the following additional suppliers & have emailed them to see if they would be interested in supplying us.

http://www.oberlandmv.de/en/products/bottle-crates.html
http://www.erg-system.pl/en/shop_item/100/z2.html

Beginning to get the feeling none of these companies want to deal with the general public and that their preference is for business to business transactions. However lets see one might bite.

Regards,

Shanna
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Will_D on September 18, 2013, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: Garry on September 16, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
10,000 units = 143 pallets! :o
I don't think they want to be dealing with the likes of us by the sounds of it?
What small brewery would lash out on this!

With all our trade conections can we not get a bit better intel on new commercial crates?
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Ciderhead on September 18, 2013, 11:39:02 PM
Wheres that brewery liaison fella ;D
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 19, 2013, 12:05:19 AM
Quote from: Will_D on September 18, 2013, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: Garry on September 16, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
10,000 units = 143 pallets! :o
I don't think they want to be dealing with the likes of us by the sounds of it?
What small brewery would lash out on this!

With all our trade conections can we not get a bit better intel on new commercial crates?

Generally got the feeling that the person who this was passed to could not be arsed dealing with a sale that only involved a few pallets. Given that my follow up email asking for information on a reseller/distributor that would deal with smaller volumes has remained unanswered reinforces this feeling.

If somebody can provide us with a foot in the door that would be great. If the German or Polish suppliers are not interested I will widen the search to look for Belgian or French suppliers.

Shanna
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Eoin on September 19, 2013, 01:38:27 AM
Quote from: Shanna on September 19, 2013, 12:05:19 AM
Quote from: Will_D on September 18, 2013, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: Garry on September 16, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
10,000 units = 143 pallets! :o
I don't think they want to be dealing with the likes of us by the sounds of it?
What small brewery would lash out on this!

With all our trade conections can we not get a bit better intel on new commercial crates?

Generally got the feeling that the person who this was passed to could not be arsed dealing with a sale that only involved a few pallets. Given that my follow up email asking for information on a reseller/distributor that would deal with smaller volumes has remained unanswered reinforces this feeling.

If somebody can provide us with a foot in the door that would be great. If the German or Polish suppliers are not interested I will widen the search to look for Belgian or French suppliers.

Shanna

Want me to attack in German? It maybe possible to bring her around. Key account manager does sound however as if a few pallets may be uninteresting.

Sent using a complex system of semaphore and ninjas.

Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 19, 2013, 07:46:34 AM
Hi Eoin

Don't necessarily want to purchase from them but I would have hoped they would at least respond with the name of a distributor. If you speak German I would search on Google.de for suppliers other than the ones I have found.

Shams
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: irish_goat on September 19, 2013, 08:20:18 AM
Quote from: Will_D on September 18, 2013, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: Garry on September 16, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
10,000 units = 143 pallets! :o
I don't think they want to be dealing with the likes of us by the sounds of it?
What small brewery would lash out on this!

With all our trade conections can we not get a bit better intel on new commercial crates?

None of the micros use crates. Presumably for a few reasons; they take up a heap of space, they'd lose loads of them (to people like us!) and any of the ones that get bottled in England already come packaged up.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: LordEoin on September 20, 2013, 11:41:54 PM
damn right.. imagine if some dirty student happened upon a stray Metalman or Black's crate.. It'd probably end up straight in the boot of the car and never seen again  ;)
It's hard enough for bars to hold onto micro branded beer glasses without also having to keep eyes in the back of their heads for the crates.

But anyway... nobody wants me to pick up a few of the crates mentioned earlier, no?
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Eoin on September 20, 2013, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: Shanna on September 19, 2013, 07:46:34 AM
Hi Eoin

Don't necessarily want to purchase from them but I would have hoped they would at least respond with the name of a distributor. If you speak German I would search on Google.de for suppliers other than the ones I have found.

Shams


K, I can also check on German homebrew site. Ask if anyone there has a stack of stuff they want rid of.

Sent using a complex system of semaphore and ninjas.

Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 21, 2013, 08:40:49 AM
 Unfortunately nobody appears willing to deal with us. Pity poor form to not even respond to queries. However not giving us just yet will do some more leg work on Google and see if I can find smaller distributors.

Anybody know where the likes of bulmers would get their crates from.

Eoin how many crates can you get?

Shanna
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Garry on September 21, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: Shanna on September 21, 2013, 08:40:49 AM
Eoin how many crates can you get?

I think there's 100 or so crates. Myself and Eoin are going to collect as many as we can today.

Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: LordEoin on September 21, 2013, 10:31:37 AM
yup, but as nobody but garry has expressed any interest in them we might just take enough for ourselves.
I was going to take the lot, but if nobody wants them there's little point
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Shanna on September 21, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: LordEoin on September 21, 2013, 10:31:37 AM
yup, but as nobody but garry has expressed any interest in them we might just take enough for ourselves.
I was going to take the lot, but if nobody wants them there's little point

Would like to take some but don't have a realistic way to shift them to Dublin from your location. Thanks for n keeping us posted.

Shanna
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: LordEoin on September 21, 2013, 03:38:07 PM
I understand. Same reason I was keeping away from Dublin crate group buys. Too bulky and troublesome for distribution.
These are great anyway. Because they were originally for 1L glass bottles, they have no bothers with any pint bottles and even tall wine bottles and fat 750ml magnums like these (http://smetana.fi/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/estrella-damm-inedit.jpg)
And there's about 70 left.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: johnrm on September 21, 2013, 05:37:32 PM
I could probably do with a stack of these.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: mr hoppy on September 22, 2013, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: johnrm on September 21, 2013, 05:37:32 PM
I could probably do with a stack of these.

Me too.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: LordEoin on September 23, 2013, 10:17:50 AM
That would have been good to know before we went to buy them.
I might be able to get a lend of trailer again at some stage if people want to take all the remaining crates, but as you're probably closer to Mitchelstown than me it might be quicker to just shoot up the M8 and grab what you need.
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: johnrm on September 23, 2013, 04:28:48 PM
Sorry, lots of that 'family', 'life' and 'work' stuff distracting me from brewing at the mo.!  :P

I could spin up with a trailer. I don't have storage though.
How much are these things?
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: Garry on September 23, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
€2 each  :)

Storage? Build a playhouse out of them?
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: johnrm on September 23, 2013, 07:51:31 PM
Giant Lego blocks going cheap!
Title: Re: Plastic bottle crates wanted
Post by: LordEoin on September 23, 2013, 08:15:09 PM
I almost have a fort built around my computer at the moment... ;D