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Title: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 05:11:43 PM
Well.. here we go!
Time to test out all the crap I've been making and collecting..

I'm brewing up a London Bitter from Brupak's http://www.homebrewwest.ie/brupaks-mashkit-london-bitter-3042-p.asp (http://www.homebrewwest.ie/brupaks-mashkit-london-bitter-3042-p.asp)

Frustration and stupid questions incoming!

In the Kit is 3.815kg grain, a 6g sachet of yeast and 72grams of hops

Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 05:20:37 PM
Here's my kettle, a 50L beer keg with 2 Argos kettle elements - circumcised and shined up :))
I had it hooked up to my STC1000 to keep it at the right temps, but it blew the fuse :(
It has a slow leak at one of the elements, but it's doing well!
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 05:57:27 PM
The 13 amp fuses in the plugs had no problems, but I had a 10 amp fuse within the STC. They're a funny size, and I don't have any in 13amp.
Just using the STC as a thermometer now.

Got my strike water to 75C and added 10L to the mash tun.
After adding the 4kg grain it sat at around 62.3C, added about 1.5L of hot water and got it to 65.2C.
All sealed up and timer set.

M'Lady walked in and said 'This brewing thing is getting a bit complicated. It used to be just a tin and a bucket!'  ;D

Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 06:05:50 PM
I have a fused kettle lead style input installed in the unit, so it's not fubar at all :)

20 minutes in and 65.1C.
How's that temperature?
The instructions say to keep it between 64-67 for 90 minutes, but what's the ideal temp?
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 06:18:56 PM
That's a superb Mash-Tun, it only dropped by about a degree over 90 minutes.

Sparge water is set to 80C, and more equipment makes its way into the kitchen!
The house smells amazing, the wort is a lovely dark colour, tastes great :)

Let the sparging commence.
First 2 liters added back to the top, and off we go!

Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
I must have cocked something up along the way because it's only at 1.022 @25L
Ah well, I can always add something later on.

Anyway, time for the boil.

The supplied hops are 72g after removing the packaging.
I'll use half for the bittering and split the rest for15min and 5 min

Here's a look at the spider I built.
I think it needs a bigger bag, but it will do the job and only cost about a fiver in total :)

Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
aparently my smoke alarms are also steam alarms!
I'll be boiling outside next time...
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: Tom on October 21, 2013, 09:30:30 PM
Well done on your first AG.

Did you correct your 1022 gravity reading for the temperature?

I usually end up with my wort at 54oC after sparge, which drops 13 points off the hydrometer reading. If it's a Stevenson hydro it's calibrated for 20oC wort, so add it back on.

For me, for example, a 1029 + 13 for temperature correction is 42. Something to do with magic/physics.
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: Garry on October 21, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
Looking good Eoin. The og will increase a bit after you've boiled off a few litres. The sample you checked might have been watered down second runnings?

The gear looks very pro. You've been hoarding that stuff for a while I'd say :P

Give us a pic of the inside of the mash tun when it's cleaned out.
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 10:39:19 PM
Yeah, I've been hoarding and building the whole time. BigBoy mechano! I figured that it was about time to test it out and see what I've done wrong...  ;)
You can take a lend of the mashtun if you like. I'll not be using it again for a while.
I must say that it's a great mash-tun. 2 hours after I'm done with it and th grain inside is still measuring 59C

I added a can of LME to boost the gravity (not quite allgrain anymore but screw it), acording to beersmith it would bring it to 1.045 if 22liters were left.
18.5 liters were left, so it's going to be a strong one.

The spider worked well, but I'll double the size of the bag anyway.

Disaster struck at the last minute though...
The chiller I built was made for an open top keg with the top cut clean off, so it didn't fit in this finely crafted keggle :(
I transfered the lot to the FV, sealed it up and it's currently sitting outside in the rain cooling down.
Balls... But that's life

I might just turn one of the open-top kegs into the kettle and keep the shiny as a HLT.

The wort itself smells and tastes great, but as I couldn't chill it fast there'll probably be a lot of break settling in the trub. No great loss.

Over-all it seems to be a success. I found out where my equipment is at the moment and have a game-plan for more building.

But the proof is in the pudding... We'll see in a month or so ;)

Edit: I only just saw Tom's post.
I let the sample cool down a bit, but probably not enough.
Maybe I should have just been patient and not added the LME...
Ah well... I can't take it out now. It'll just take a bit more time in the bottle to condition, and drinking in smaller doses :))

Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 10:57:21 PM
Damn... Tom was right... OG at 22C 1.072!  ???

I have a bit to decide... water it down or find a speciality yeast...


Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: Garry on October 21, 2013, 11:05:40 PM
Your chiller might fit in the fv? Although you probably have enough of it at this stage?

I hope the fv is in a sheltered spot? I don't know what it's like in Kanturk but it's windy as feck here tonight; tunder and lighting an' all >:D

Did you get a gravity / temperature reading of the final product? Sounds like it's going to be a monster ;D
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 11:20:37 PM
The bulk is still cooling out in the rain, it'll be a while.
But the FG is 1.070-1.072.
I'll probably bring water it down to 23L and that should bring it back to about 1.060
If it finished about 1.010 it'll be 6.5-7.0% or somewhere around there.
Hopefully the yeast will be able to cope.
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: imark on October 21, 2013, 11:26:10 PM
If you have a couple of sachets of Nottingham about it'll handle that no problem anyway. It's an ESB now!
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: Garry on October 21, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
I have 1 pack of Nottingham of you want it?
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 22, 2013, 12:04:12 AM
hopefully I won't need it, but I might take you up on it. Thanks Garry.

playing around with beersmith, it looks like if I hadn't added the LME it would have ended up at almost exactly what the kit said at 23L, 1.038.
But as it is, it's 23L at 1.062

So it looks like I did alright! :)
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: johnrm on October 22, 2013, 12:07:40 AM
Good man Eoin, whatever comes out will be good!
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 23, 2013, 04:38:59 PM
It took 24 hours before there was any sign of fermentation. The brupaks yeast takes a bit to kick off.
But now my room is smelling great :)
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: johnrm on October 23, 2013, 05:33:24 PM
I'm thinking I might do an AG ESB too.
I have S-04 itching for a party.
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: Bzfeale80 on October 23, 2013, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: LordEoin on October 21, 2013, 05:20:37 PM
Here's my kettle, a 50L beer keg with 2 Argos kettle elements - circumcised and shined up :))
I had it hooked up to my STC1000 to keep it at the right temps, but it blew the fuse :(
It has a slow leak at one of the elements, but it's doing well!

The kettle elements should be wired to a relay block in order to avoid blowing the fuse of the stc1000 which is capable of switching on/off the required amps for the kettle elements.

It would be better to upgrade the wiring of the kettle elements to 3 g 2.5mm sq flex so that the wiring does not end up fusing together and shorting out after a few brews. A standard kettle flex is about only 3 g 0.75 mm sq flex for an electric jug kettle which would only be used for 5 minutes or so to boil 1.7 liters of water. A couple of small mods and you will be sorted with that mash tun keg.

As regards cooling the wort you could probably make a home made immersion wort chiller from some copper tubing. Another mod to the keg which might be worth making would be to add a layer of the skinny foil backed insulation around the keg to improve heat retention during the boil which would reduce the amount of electricity you end up using.

Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 23, 2013, 10:55:40 PM
Thanks. the kettle itself is working fine, but I will be adding some insulation to it at some stage and now I'll also probably do the cables. Cheap upgrade ;)

I have a coiled copper pipe chiller, but it was just too big for this kettle.
I'll have to make another smaller one.
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on October 30, 2013, 06:02:01 AM
I moved this to secondary today to get it off the trub, which was about an inch deep and well stuck together.
The wort is a nice dark copper colour, fairly well balanced and with a nice roasty flavour.
Dry hopped with 25g Styrian Goldings

SG 1.016 but I'd say there's a bit more to go.
It'll probably be ready to bottle next week or the week after.
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on November 14, 2013, 11:49:21 AM
I bottled this on the 6th.
FG 1.012.

I couldn't wait any longer so I cracked one open for 'quality control'
It's got an aroma like candyfloss, lovely balanced hoppy taste, great mouthfeel.
Head is a bit thin as it's so young, but this is a great tasting beer!
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: johnrm on November 14, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
I hope your notes are good, so you can make all the same mistakes when you try to brew it again!
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: Garry on November 14, 2013, 12:21:20 PM
Did you use the kit yeast in the end?

I still haven't bottled my extract version  ??? It's clearing nicely in the cold garage though.
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on November 14, 2013, 12:22:45 PM
Yup, I used the supplied yeast.
Looking forward to tasting the extract version too :)

@john - the main mistake I made was thinking that I made a mistake!  8)
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: johnrm on November 14, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
Theres a word for that, its 'Panic'  :D
Title: Re: My first AllGrain
Post by: LordEoin on November 14, 2013, 12:31:11 PM
I'm sure Einstein panic when he was stealing all those patents, but look where it got him!