A BJCP registered competition, open to everyone, limited to 50 entries. €2 an entry, winner takes all.
Judging on Saturday Feb 1st in the Lucan County (subject to permission). Registration will be in advance but you'll be able to bring your beers on the day (probably).
A dry run for the nationals maybe even!
Any theme/categories etc?
Can I be a judge please?
sounds good somethin to look forward to ;D
All afaik.
Sounds like fun. We should do it like twisted pepper and summer session. Split the judging between two tables.
We should have the LB BJCP judges doing our thing. We can also enter beer as long as it ends up on the other table.
If one of our beers gets through to the best in show, we recuse ourselves.
Is it worth having a separate kit competition on the day to encourage newer brewers to participate?
Maybe, though it does the opposite of inclusion when you separate them from other brewers.
Hard to say.
The hacked kits did quite well in last years competition. If people identified whether their entry was a kit or not you could still reward the top scoring kits without keeping it separate.
it's kinda like thinking 'here is a bicycle race, but only high nellies are allowed enter. maybe we should have a separate race for bmx'
if it's BJCP registered, the emphasis should be on the end result as opposed to how the winner got there.
In judging end result beer according to the style, why take ingredients and method into consideration?
Surely if a kit won (zomg... heaven forbid the thought!) it would result in more of the common people taking up brewing as their new addiction hobby.
I agree that it should be based on the end product.
A special mention should go to a kit beer straight up or tweaked.
To that end on the entry form can we include a production method:
AG / Extract / Kit
AG / Extract / Kit / bought_from_tesco_and_rebottled
... ;D
My reason for bringing it up is that maybe newer brewers (and there are quite a lot it seems) might think there is no point entering a kit beer cos they'll have no chance of winning.
If we don't get many newbies entering then why not hold a kit/extract comp with a proviso that previous medal winners/high scorers can not enter?
A competition sticky in the new members forum telling them about the comp and that it's open to all levels of experience might help
Quote from: delzep on November 02, 2013, 03:23:26 PM
My reason for bringing it up is that maybe newer brewers (and there are quite a lot it seems) might think there is no point entering a kit beer cos they'll have no chance of winning.
We could offer an incentive for kit brewers. Say, an extra prize of some nhc merchandise if a kit wins.
No all grain brewers allowed to enter a kit as it's designed to get newer brewers to be creative.
Today is 90 days exactly until 1st of Feb
I'll give it a go. Do I need to be a BJCP member do you know? I'll have to pay the fees myself?
Registered and paid.
Can recoup the fee with the winnings 8)
Careful...we'll hold you to that. ;-)
Is this open to members only?
(http://i.imgur.com/xZBEUzS.png)
thats me 8)
Anyway, I think that non members can enter...and I'd like entries restricted to two per person max so that someone sitting on a load of brews for the nationals isn't gonna flood the comp to see how their beers are
Quote from: delzep on November 05, 2013, 11:56:46 PM
Anyway, I think that non members can enter...and I'd like entries restricted to two per person max so that someone sitting on a load of brews for the nationals isn't gonna flood the comp to see how their beers are
Agreed
No harm but a restriction means the brewer will think about what to enter rather than submit any oul shite they have lying around.
Dodge is fine to bring whatever he likes to taste but limit of two in the competition.
Quote from: Il Tubo on November 05, 2013, 11:59:35 PM
What harm if they do, especially if they're dodge's beers ;)
are you a judge, or a dregs hoarder?
I suppose the usual two bottles (1 litre) per entry would be required yeah? Is there some software that can be used for registration and collation of entries?
Actually hows about a list of rules. If anyone has an issue with any of them, let me know
- Maximum of 50 beers in total
- Maximum of 2 beers per entrant
- Entry is open to both members and non members on a first come, first served basis
- 1 litre of beer for each entry is required for judging (2 x 500ml or 3 x 330ml)
- All judging to BJCP standards
- €2 per entry..winner takes all
- Might try to squeeze a few pints from the Lucan County for second and third place (TBC)
- Entries are open to all personel involved with the organising and running of the competition (judges/organisers/registrar/stewards etc.)
any advance on those?
Whats the story with the number of judges required? If theres more judges than required I suppose they shouldn't be turned away as they get points for judging plus it makes the whole operation easier, but is there a recommended number for 50 beers? I had a quick flick through the organisers handbook thing, but I had a couple of beers beforehand...
Put me down for two entries so... just for the 'Pig Iron' Im doin a standard kit and an all-grain entry My mission is the ye cant tell the difference :) ;) :D
Would the and or extract brewers like a seperate judging table for kits versus all grain? Is this not do-able or do we want to compare and contrast great kit brewing versus maybe average all grain brewing? Could a kit win if all entries are in same group?
Judges judge by style rather than by brewing method no? Would take twice as many judges (and maybe twice as long) surely?
All for one and one for all and all that....
Everyone is treated equally.
Regarding judges, we should get everyone involved but just saying... since this is a Liffey Brewers event, our own are guaranteed judging spots ;)
I'll look at entering the ESB I have planned for the next few days, boring innit ;-)
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Ill judge no prob.. :)
WIth 50 beers and 3 pairs being asked to judge 18 is hard work.
Would suggest 12/13 beers per pair - gives 8 judges and 4 stewards.
I think with the BJCP course that would be no problem. Remember also that stewards get points as well.
That could then give 4 major categories: Ales/Stouts/Pales/Others Of course depends on the actual entries but you get my drift.
So myself and Bren are definitely judging. What about Kellie?
Also, since both of us are likely to have beer, we make sure that our beer is not on our judging table.
When it comes to the final result, if any of our beer is in the final, the brewer recuses themselves from judging.
Definately priority given to Liffey Brewers for judging and stewards. Looks like 8 judges in total would be required to be on the safe side, although if 10 volunteer it would make sense to include all 10 I suppose.
There are organiser points going here too. With 50 beers it looks like 2.5 points. The only thing is, Derek is not doing the BJCP.
Derek, you up for the second round of BJCP course?
Nah, I'm not doing the course...no plans to either to be honest
We can't let those points go to waste then. Someone needs to take them. It can't be a judge as you can't get points for both, though you can be an organiser and a judge, you just get the organiser points though. In this case, the organiser points are worth more than judging points.
We could outsource the organiser points to Padraig? A sort of thank you for all the hard work, of course he probably has to step up and actually organise it.
In fact, I would say the organiser has to be BJCP or else it probably doesn't count.
I don't mind....just nobody else has stepped forward to organise it
Doh