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Title: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: admin on November 26, 2013, 05:25:25 PM
Gonna cost around €100 delivered.

Not expecting to get a full house for this one, but put down your name if you're interested. This will hopefully be followed by a 2nd barrel next year and a 3rd barrel the year after. Hopefully we'll be able to blend with others (e.g. Galway and Belfast) and do other mad shit like krieks and so on.

Definitely a long term investment but hopefully the scale of the epicness will be worth it.

1. Dodge
2. imark
3. Tube
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Eoin on November 26, 2013, 05:31:47 PM
1. Dodge
2. imark
3. Tube
4.Eoin

I like your thinking.

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Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Will_D on November 26, 2013, 07:33:05 PM
Are north ciders allowed?I love Lambics!
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: nigel_c on November 26, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
That's a very large amount of very specific beer. Would a primary batch not be a better option? See hoe it goes and this could be "year 1" for a blend. I'm interested in playing around with sours but would we not be better getting more people to do smaller batches and if people want to keep and blend with the next years its up to them?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on November 26, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
There are a couple of ways the lambic could be done. We could buy a barrel and take 1/3 out after year 1 and top up. Repeat each year.

Alternatively, we could group together and fill two barrels each year. This would be my preference.
We get at least 1 barrel return per year of lambic and on year three we get that barrel plus the 3 barrels of 3yr gueuze blend.

Year 0:  0 0
Year 1:  X 1 0 0
Year 2: 2 X 1 0 0
Year 3: 3 2 1 X

Hopefully the above makes sense. X is an empty 1yr old lambic return. Any interest in this approach?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Will_D on November 26, 2013, 09:32:31 PM
Quote from: imark on November 26, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
There are a couple of ways the lambic could be done. We could buy a barrel and take 1/3 out after year 1 and top up. Repeat each year.

Alternatively, we could group together and fill two barrels each year. This would be my preference.
We get at least 1 barrel return per year of lambic and on year three we get that barrel plus the 3 barrels of 3yr gueuze blend.

Year 0:  0 0
Year 1:  X 1 0 0
Year 2: 2 X 1 0 0
Year 3: 3 2 1 X

Hopefully the above makes sense. X is an empty 1yr old lambic return. Any interest in this approach?
Need more drink obviously, the above went way over my head!
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on November 26, 2013, 09:40:09 PM
Not that I want to prevent the excuse for another drink but...I mightn't have been very clear.

Based on filling two barrels each year for 3 years.
On T+1yr you empty 1 barrel and fill 2. You now have 1x 1yr old and 2 x 0yr old.
On T+2yr you empty on of the 1yr olds and fill 2more. You now have 1 x 1yr old + 1 x 2yr old + 2x 0yr old.
On T+3yr you have 1 barrel of 1yr old lambic + 3 x barrels of gueuze blended from the 3 remaining barrels (1x1yr + 1x 2yr +1x3yr)
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Ciderhead on November 26, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
That looks like sharing spit :o
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: lordstilton on November 27, 2013, 12:01:33 AM
1. Dodge
2. imark
3. Tube
4.Eoin
5. Lordstilton
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on November 27, 2013, 12:15:11 AM
Quote from: CH on November 26, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
That looks like sharing spit :o
No. There's no double dipping allowed.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on November 27, 2013, 06:49:13 PM
I think somebody mentioned knowing of a place to buy stale hops in an earlier thread. I cant find it now though. But we'll need a couple of kilos per barrel so it might justify ordering a bale or two.
Does anybody know where we can get them or am I losing it?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on November 27, 2013, 07:02:34 PM
What variety?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on November 27, 2013, 08:24:52 PM
As he says you could get peculiar aromatics. They may be good. They may not. They probably wouldn't be repeatable though. Perle wouldn't be the worst but ctz or that could be weird.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on November 27, 2013, 08:57:25 PM
Sure, let's discuss our options at the meet tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on November 29, 2013, 04:20:11 PM
How much are you guys committing to the barrel?

1. Dodge
2. imark - 40L
3. Tube
4. Eoin
5. Lordstilton
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Dodge on November 30, 2013, 12:44:46 AM
Is do just under 40l as well.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Alex Lawes on November 30, 2013, 12:53:59 AM
Yep, I'm in. I'll do what I can with yeast culturing as well. Might be able to help in that department.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: mcgrath on November 30, 2013, 10:57:37 PM
1. Dodge
2. imark - 40L
3. Tube
4. Eoin
5. Lordstilton
6. McGrath - 20L
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: lordstilton on December 02, 2013, 05:49:25 PM
Not sure time wise if I can commit to 40. I have to see how I'm fixed for grain when I get home
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Dodge on December 02, 2013, 06:12:06 PM
I may be able to do a second batch. Depends on time frame and schedule,
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: lordstilton on December 02, 2013, 06:46:21 PM
Same as dodge..no problem doing 40 but will depend on time and how much I need to order to when it arrives..I can't check that till I get back
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on December 04, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
Should be able to do 40L for it.

1. Dodge - 20L*
2. imark - 40L
3. Tube - 40L
4. Eoin - 40L*
5. Lordstilton - 20L*
6. McGrath - 20L
7. Alex Lawes - 20L*
8. Saruman - 40L
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on December 05, 2013, 10:30:08 AM
Padraig might want to come in on it. If so, he can take 20L off me.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on December 09, 2013, 04:07:46 PM
All good to go here anyway!
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Eoin on December 09, 2013, 04:09:34 PM
I should have 11 quid to spare when this is necessary.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Saruman (Reuben Gray) on December 09, 2013, 04:16:00 PM
No problem here.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: lordstilton on December 10, 2013, 09:05:50 PM
I can send it through PayPal if that's ok
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 13, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
This one will be making progress soon guys...so quick question for ye...anybody here done a turbid mash previously?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 13, 2014, 02:39:49 PM
Reason I ask is we have two options in pulling this recipe together. We can either:
1) Turbid mash - authentic but not straightforward
2) step mash  and add some dextrin - more familiar

Another consideration is whether we can make up this wort jointly on a brew day. Logistically, could we accommodate this option?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: nigel_c on February 13, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
I've even doing some research over the last few weeks into sours and different methods. I brewed yesterday. I went with a straight forward enough mash method. Cereal mash corn which was about 15% of the grain bill. This is boiled then added to the main mash. Mash high (70C) to try leave lots of long chain fermentables for the bugs.

I watched a vid of YouTube with Russian River and will follow their reconditions.
My full recipe is in brewday section. Stupid sexy Flanders.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 13, 2014, 05:26:24 PM
I've done a couple of sours along those lines before myself. I've used carapils to feed the brett with good results.
Turbid has the same mystique as decoction for me. I've never done either due to my laziness but have a niggling urge to give it a go at the same time. One of these days!
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: nigel_c on February 13, 2014, 05:58:17 PM
Nice read here. I came across it a while back. 

https://byo.com/stories/item/1711-turbid-mashing
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: Rossa on February 19, 2014, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: Tube's Beer Kit on February 19, 2014, 12:50:25 PM
1. Dodge - 20L*
2. imark - 40L
3. Tube - 40L
4. Eoin - 40L*
5. Lordstilton - 20L*
6. McGrath - 20L
7. Alex Lawes - 20L*

Saruman is out, so we have an opening/need for 20L more.

I'll step up if you will have me. 👒
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: mcgrath on February 20, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
Quote from: Tube's Beer Kit on February 20, 2014, 12:55:54 PM
1. Dodge - 20L*
2. imark - 40L
3. Tube - 20L
4. Eoin - 40L*
5. Lordstilton - 20L*
6. McGrath - 20L
7. Alex Lawes - 20L*
8. Rossa - 20L

220L
Is that not 200L? Do we need another contribution?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 25, 2014, 04:15:52 PM
Did we get anyone to make up the last 20L?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: lordstilton on February 25, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
Why don't we all chip in for it and use it for gueze
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 25, 2014, 05:06:48 PM
Doesn't seem to be a queue of people looking for the slot so it might be simplest way to do it.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 25, 2014, 05:47:42 PM
I 'll do it but do I have to drink it too. :)
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 25, 2014, 06:52:05 PM
1.6 wheat & 3.2 pilsner per 20L slot. So 17.6kg wheat total and 35.2kg pilsner total. Wheat is OK I think? Are we short?
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 25, 2014, 06:58:21 PM
Doh I see it now....thought you were working off the first draft recipe. :-[
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: mcgrath on February 26, 2014, 12:21:35 PM
One of the lads at the capital meet yesterday sounds interested. Markc. He had a nice Brett with him. Not sure what his equipment setup is. I.ll pm him.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: markc on February 26, 2014, 07:06:09 PM
Cheers Ciaran. Tube, I'd love to get in on this, I haven't read the thread fully, so, not sure what the deal is. I don't have portable kit yet, and, I'm BIAB at the moment too. I could split the cost of someones 40l if that was a goer? Either way, I'd be into coming to the brew day, if there is going to be one day where everyone brews like you mentioned last night Ciaran.


Cheer,
Mark
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: markc on February 26, 2014, 10:34:29 PM
I've got a 50 litre brew kettle that sits on my gas hob, I've no problem bringing that to the brew day if anyone had a spare gas ring? I'm considering getting a mash tun and ditching the bag, would love to see it all in action. If it's not practical, just say, I'd like to pop along either way if thats okay, help you out any way I could and learn a few tricks.

Cheers,
Mark
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 26, 2014, 10:39:50 PM
We're looking for 20L so you'd have no problem with your kit.
I'd say there's probably enough burners to accommodate a staggered start.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: markc on February 26, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
I've just seen its on the 8th, I'm in London from the 6th until the 10th, so obviously I wont make it. Pity. Good luck with it lads!

M
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 27, 2014, 03:38:35 PM
Grand!  8)
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: lordstilton on February 27, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
The Liffey Brewers Barrel Bus returns

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3717/12817776005_d0d4c68554.jpg)

We opened every barrel he had. This one had a lovely smell of wine from it and the cork. He put a rubber bung in it but I still have the original if we want to use that.
Title: Re: Lambic wine barrel
Post by: imark on February 27, 2014, 06:15:59 PM
Very nice work sir!