Yes you read correctly, muppet here was just did up his first Magnum's pear cider in one of the glass carboys i have here and was lifting it out of the bathtub where it had been cooling down when i had an oopsie due to a wet tiled floor :-[ Fell forward into the bath carboy still in hand and managed to only spill a litre or so, however it came down hard on the plastic bathtub so now i may have either a micro crack in the bottom of the bath or in the carboy or both :'(
Was going to be ordering another carboy next week but now i am giving serious thought to buying the brouwland plastic ones instead of glass ? ??? Yes/No what do ye think of these ? ;D
The main point is i hardly spilled a drop ;D ;D ;D
They are dynamite and need to be treated with respect especially with w5 as they are like bars of soap.
Do you have the handle on it, never use just that on its own for lifting full but it's great for steering.!
Eoin is also working on a carrier for them.
Quote from: CH on February 02, 2014, 07:58:15 PM
They are dynamite and need to be treated with respect especially with w5 as they are like bars of soap.
Do you have the handle on it, never use just that on its own for lifting full but it's great for steering.!
Eoin is also working on a carrier for them.
No CH i have the handle but i have not attached it yet as i don't believe its of any safe use in the lifting process. Waiting on a source for a carboy harness to transport them safely. Deadly 'aint the word :o
I use a fermenter (plastic bucket) that I got when I started brewing. Carboy sits into fermenter and I can lift it with the bucket handle. Benefits of glass carboy with ease of moving about like a plastic bucket!
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Do put the handle on as close to the main part of the bottle as will fit
They are great for steering and you will never end out dropping it if held and shaking cleaning products out of it.
Simple tip I started the other day to get rid of heavy Krausen crud was 1/3 fill with LUKE warm water and w5, boiling will crack it, and lie it on its side for 24hrs and then rotate 1/3 and again 24 hours later, much easier than using my carboy cleaner! Ah the wonders of w5.
Quote from: BrewRob on February 02, 2014, 08:27:01 PM
I use a fermenter (plastic bucket) that I got when I started brewing. Carboy sits into fermenter and I can lift it with the bucket handle. Benefits of glass carboy with ease of moving about like a plastic bucket!
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Never thought of that ::)
Quote from: CH on February 02, 2014, 08:36:54 PM
Do put the handle on as close to the main part of the bottle as will fit
They are great for steering and you will never end out dropping it if held
Will do that right away ;D
On the question though would you stick with the glass ones or go with the PET ones on HBW from Brouwland ?
The brouwland PET carboys are the business. I prefer them to my glass as you can lift them a lot easier when full, easier to clean as they dont have those ridges on them & they wont smash & cut you obviously.
Micro scratches, better O2 performance and discolouration from light and or chemical attack and restrictive cleaning agents and duration, is why I will never go plastic :(
+1CH the scratches id why I moved to glass.
I read a good artivle a whilr back (think it may have been byo) and they reckon on average 6 batches is all you should expect from plastic.
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I would be very interested in HBs experience over the next 12 months as I know they are used extensively in the us.
Any plastic is going to slowly turn into something not very pleasant looking.
Glass and s/s is the way to go long term.
Now when I think of it, s/s is the way to go long term ;)
Just a personal bad experience with the glass lately.
Postman dropping your carboy doesn't count :)
Have I mentioned brass/ss chain as an aid to clean "hard to clean vessels"?
Yes indeed I have.
Just get about 2 metres of 3/8" link brass or s/s chain and use it as a "swirly whirly scrubby dubber" type thing with your cleaner of choice.
Another Historical Note:
In the "good old days of HB and in particular home wine making" they recomended using "lead shot" as the abrasive to enhance the cleaner!
This was back when you or your dad (or Gdad) used to hand load the family shotgun cartrigdes and there was always a bag of lead shot around the house!!
I read all the pros & cons before buying them & the good far out weighs the bad for me. Micro scratches? Ive used pastic buckets for yonks & no issues/infections. Not worried about the slightly worse o2 performance as I transfer under pressure where most brewers dont. Bigger chance of oxidation with transferring to secondary (which I dont do either) & bottle wand bottling (i use a proper counter pressure bottle filler) so Im already 2 or 3 up on most brewers on 02 side of it. Light pick up isnt an issue either as Ive a ceramic heat bulb in my ferm fridge. As you can tell Ive already justified the switch to the plastic carboys to myself. 8)
Good for you! ;)
Did you replace the carboy you broke a few weeks back? ;)
The one I poured boiling water into yep!
Try pouring boiling water into your pet carboy, if you do it well enough it should shrink back to the preform which is what all of our liquid yeast comes in ;)
Yeah yeah smart arse. 60c water & PBW. No need for anything else.
You like glass. I like glass too but the PET wont cut me & its cheaper too. No brainer for me. Few heart in my mouth moments with glass & just not worth it as I know Il do myself an injury eventually if I keep using them.
Had this discussion over the last few days elsewhere between myself, the yanks and the brits. The yanks were all glass and stainless, the brits were split 50/50 glass and plastic. Now i can see why the yanks would be all glass and SS since they can get the stuff so cheap compared to us but was a little surprised to see so many brits opting for plastic carboys. Again like HB they favoured them because they were cheaper and safer to use breakage wise. Lightstrike did not come into it on either side as everybody seemed to be fermenting in chambers anyway so no light there. The only bone of contention was as CH mentioned the scratches and chemical resistance between glass and plastic.
The only conclusion i came away with was that at least for the brits cost savings from using plastic overide all else given that the plastic is not going to leech anything at least in the short term, they seemed to be willing to just change them a couple of times a year instead.
Me i am none the wiser on the subject, too many different points of view, remains to be seen where the hammer falls on this one for me ;D
Buy one try it and report back that's what HB will do
To me a car boy the current size but with big open neck sitting in a plastic basket would be the dogs.
I have a terrible reputation on here about putting fear of god into folks on leaching of plastic, pet is no different and trace elements have been found in bottled water well under WHO limits.
If it's sitting around a rinse will sort it out
I have to laugh though as we are all worried out heavy metals in our beer and not the 6% alcohol which if course is totally harmless. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Hop Bomb on February 02, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
Yeah yeah smart arse. 60c water & PBW. No need for anything else.
You like glass. I like glass too but the PET wont cut me & its cheaper too. No brainer for me. Few heart in my mouth moments with glass & just not worth it as I know Il do myself an injury eventually if I keep using them.
Careful with strong concentrations of PBw or oxy or prolonged exposure and long term exposure to SSan is a no no as well, water in first then cleaning agent
http://www.better-bottle.com/technical.html
You really shouldn't brew naked :P
You should look at the Big Mouth Bubbler so CH ;D
http://www.midwestsupplies.com/big-mouth-bubbler-6-5-gallon-fermentor.html
I know I can't wait until they hit the market here, wondering are they tall enough as I can just get 2 car boys in fridge at the moment
Quote from: CH on February 03, 2014, 12:20:01 AM
I know I can't wait until they hit the market here, wondering are they tall enough as I can just get 2 car boys in fridge at the moment
Will get back to you on that after i ask elsewhere, seems they are designed for a blow off tube rather than an airlock though 8)
Measurements for the 6.5 US Gallon Big Mouth Bubbler are below CH ;D
"Total height with 1" ID blow off hose, not bending it but rather alowing a relaxed curve is 23"
Total height using a standard air lock (not a double bubble) is 22 1/4 inches
Sorry if you use the metric system.
Oh yea
Total height to top of lid, using built it air lock is 17 1/2 inches.
All measurements are on the 6.5 gal model".
From an online USA contact on Facebook that has one of these. ;D
Quote from: CH on February 02, 2014, 11:56:25 PM
To me a car boy the current size but with big open neck sitting in a plastic basket would be the dogs.
Animal feed bucket?
I like the look of those big mouth bubblers!!
I use a handle to move around the empty Carboy and than a nylon strap when it's full
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv152/magnethead123/Glass_Carboy_zpsd475112c.jpg)
Got the straps off this site
http://www.brewhauler.com/ (http://www.brewhauler.com/)
Quote from: Will_D on February 02, 2014, 10:31:16 PM
Have I mentioned brass/ss chain as an aid to clean "hard to clean vessels"?
Yes indeed I have.
Just get about 2 metres of 3/8" link brass or s/s chain and use it as a "swirly whirly scrubby dubber" type thing with your cleaner of choice.
Another Historical Note:
In the "good old days of HB and in particular home wine making" they recomended using "lead shot" as the abrasive to enhance the cleaner!
This was back when you or your dad (or Gdad) used to hand load the family shotgun cartrigdes and there was always a bag of lead shot around the house!!
Yes you did mention this before and I remembered it but then again some of the yung brains here just think too quick and don't allow time for the info to sink in :)
Brew belts in glass is a not to be done, too much focused heat and reports of them in us cracking
Just had my first cleaning experience with one of these glass carboys following a successful batch of Proper Job clone. Kegged/bottled last Thursday and left the carboy, half full with a Fairy Liquid solution, upside down in a plastic bucket till yesterday.
So did the 3-day soak manage to dislodge all that caked-on krausen material? Did it f**k!
In the end I fashioned an ingenious cleansing device from an old bucket handle and some wet wipes. Successful but extremely tedious. If it hadn't been for the company of, Watson, my old hollowed out turnip, keeping me sane with his hilarious tales of seaferring and roister-doistery, I'd never have gotten thorough it.
I hear mention of folk using oxi solution. Would Vanish work? Or could I just soak it in vwp solution. I'm just fearful of prolonged use of chemicals leaving a slimy residue that'd be even harder to shift.
-Barry
Thanks for the tip on the heating belt, It's what I use when my Brewpad heating is busy. you see the black wiring going to the plug(not the brewbelt white wiring), well there's a thermostat (B&Q) behind the Carboy at the level of the brewbelt, that is set for 20c...THen I wrap the whole thing in a Duvet....as you can see it holds a steady 20C no problem, and the room would adverage 14-15c (It's not used)
I was looking for a reason to get rid of it and that's good enough :P
QuoteSo did the 3-day soak manage to dislodge all that caked-on krausen material? Did it f**k!
Bazza, sounds, like you're having waaayy too much trouble cleaning the glass, (It shouldn't take more then 5 mins) there's a large Glass Brush you can get for these Carboys that work perfectly on even the most heavily crusted Carboys provided, you make the correct bends in the wire to apply pressure around the neck area. I'll post a pic later.
But I always clean my Carboys within an hour of kegging my beer, couldn't imagine waiting days for cleaning solutions to work, when all you need is a little hot water and a bit of elbow grease ???
Quote from: magnethead on February 03, 2014, 12:02:55 PM
Bazza, sounds, like you're having waaayy too much trouble cleaning the glass,....I always clean my Carboys within an hour of kegging my beer, couldn't imagine waiting days for cleaning solutions to work, when all you need is a little hot water and a bit of elbow grease ???
Fair point, magnethead, but it was after 11 at night when I'd finished kegging so I took the lazy, post Sunday lunch, approach of 'just leaving it to soak'.
Once I got the bucket handle bent to the proper angles it didn't take that much time in the end, but I'd be interested to see your carboy cleaner. I just wasn't sure of using brushes as some can be pretty abrasive and there's also the fear of scraping the metal part on the glass.
-Barry
I am a lazy bastard and let the chemicals do the work. So 1/4 of a glass good shake tip out and then soak with w5 and warm not boiling water
I have a carboy cleaner with the spinning flaps from the us, frankly it's just a gadget, another one.
W5 from Lidl in the purple tub will shift anything if soaked for 24hrs
Then a really good rinse with jet on hose and a spray of SS before I cover with cling film.
Before the next use which could be months a drop of SS and another good rinse and I'm good to go.
Had a quick look in Harrods - sorry - Poundland this lunchtime and all they had was oxi clean (for clothes) and Cillit Bang. Would Cillit Bang do the same thing? I don't recall Barry Scott shouting - 'BANG! And the resulting hardened Krausen material from a 2-week ferment is GONE!', but that's not to say he hasn't.
And it was only a pound.
Do they have similar shops down South called 'One Euro Fifteen-ish give-or-take Land'?
-Barry
Hi Bazza,
I know it's not rocket science but this is what I was talking about, the Carboy brush is just a BIG bottle brush, but you can get enough pressure on the inside of the glass to clean off anything...sometimes you need to pull it up and down to get a bit of vertical motion going to clean the hard spots.
The Metal wire is not going to damage the glass at all ;D
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv152/magnethead123/Carboy_Brush_zpsf6bdcc1d.jpg)
Quote from: Bazza on February 04, 2014, 01:02:22 PM
Had a quick look in Harrods - sorry - Poundland this lunchtime and all they had was oxi clean (for clothes) and Cillit Bang. Would Cillit Bang do the same thing? I don't recall Barry Scott shouting - 'BANG! And the resulting hardened Krausen material from a 2-week ferment is GONE!', but that's not to say he hasn't.
And it was only a pound.
Do they have similar shops down South called 'One Euro Fifteen-ish give-or-take Land'?
-Barry
They are called €2 shops typical rip off on the exchange rate ;D
Methinks Cillit Bang is an acidic cleaner for removing limescale etc, normally best results on fob/Krausen is with a hot caustic wash, followed by an acidic wash to shine the vessel, will check with one of the chemical engineers re Oxonia clothes cleaner and get back, we use an oxonia addition to the caustic wash for extra intense cleaning when required but I'm sure its peracitic acid.
What's the chemical mix used by the brewery's to clean in place. With all that crud stuck to the roof of a sealed conical fermenter you would need a fairly strong wash to first clean it off then to sanitise it.
"Spectak G" (caustic detergent) to get rid of the hardcore Crud.....and then maybe some "Peroxyacetic Acid" which just breaks down itself naturally, doesn't need to be washed out after.
If you think of a cake cut into 4 sections,
1st section represents Detergent strength
2nd represents Temperature of cleaning solution
3rd represents Mechanical Action ie scrubbing/ power washing etc
and 4th represents Time
if any of the 4 are reduced then the others must be increased to give the same level of cleaning.
As Magnethead has stated usually a prewash followed by a degas and pressurisation by sterile air as caustic breaks down co2 and causes a vacuum, then a caustic solution at 80C for possibly 5 wash cycles followed by a cold acid wash and sterilant rinse. Cleanliness is confirmed by ATP test, plus regular vessel inspections to ensure that crud is being removed.
This guy has developed a neat little system for cleaning Carboys and Kegs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKPlQsjh-v8
I thinkyou have just found the "NHC Theme Tune"
Oh and BTW great tech response to the question re CIP.
Peracetic I know is a failrly agressive cleaner but surely leaves behind an Acetic Acid residue if not fully rinsed away (like Cl based cleaners can leave chlorine traces) whereas caustic (NaOH/KOH) or even milder perCarbonate cleaners(Lidl w5) only leave behind an alkali that in itself is not tasteable (in very low concentrations)
Yes Will,we use a final sterile water rinse, I meant to link to this youtube video as he gives a better description of parts and assembly,
ps wouldnt recommend switching a 220 volt extension lead on on wet flip flops but hey its probably ok on 110v in America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPwP-qIxNsk
If I was cleaning a shed load or carboys or kegs maybe but you are looking at the guts of €80 worth of bits there.
There is also something therapeutic in stripping kegs for cleaning though :D
Ah common John!
You know we are equipment freaks.
Just image:
Replace the cheap plastic with SS. Nice shinny pipes and connectors. Submersed pump. Arduino controlling time temperature and which of the fluid lines/reservoirs are being pumped:
Lower carboy or keg. Microswitch detects it and runs the cycle.
1. Hot water rinse ( 1 minute to flush out the crud ) Arduino heats the batch while the 10 min cycle is running). Flush to waste.
2. Hot W% or VWP or solution of choice ( 10 mins ) (Recycled)
3. Cold water rinse, flush to waste (30 seconds)
Lift off, and the system resets itself waiting for the next candidate.
That way you only have to lift the keg/carboy on and off once and you have 12 minute beer break while the computer does the hard work. Plus you can wear your flip flops!
The braumeister of washing ;D
All of that is pointless, every glass carboy is going to end up like this one sooner or later :)
No it's not I have 8 and the only one I ever broke was with water from a boiling kettle.
I don't let the postman handle mine ;)
I have about 20 DJ and never broke one.
I just think 25l its bit too much for glass its fragile in this size, maybe I'm wrong.
Despite the fact that is fragile I think glass is fantastic material. Perfectly clean, hardly reacting with anything (exc. hydrogen fluoride) and easy to keep clean.
But heavier the load more breakable it is.
Build it and they will buy it O0
This was supposed to be a thread about cleaning carboys which were full of Capital Dubbel Krausen
Day 1
Scoop of w5 and fill with water until just coming out neck
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/13/u5umemu5.jpg)
Day 2 rotate rotate 120 degrees, w5 already cleaned 40%
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/13/ja3ejaja.jpg)
Oops better bring them inside into shed until the snow goes.
Nearly there
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/13/nejemyze.jpg)
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Shed roller shutter doors blow in, glass carboys flew and were crushed :(
Ho Hum sh1t happens, I would have cried if they were full of beer!
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/13/puzyjuje.jpg)
Another reason to use PET - shed door proof ;D
Ouch! Tough one, man!
You say you soaked them in W5. You sure it wasn't Cilit- BANG - and the Carboy's gone!
-Barry Scott
I see what you've done there and like it ;)
Thats what I'm talking about: it's only massive glass container and shiiit happens no matter what.
Sorry for your loss John :(
Stainless steel rules :)
Now if the walls on those carboys were 1" thick surely they'd be the ideal job.
You could pass them down to you grandchildren. Must phone China with this idea.
I feel better already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jobvVaekOKA
So, I've been following this thread all week. More interested in how others thought W5 works - as I think it is great - but, also the debate between glass, stainless or plastic. Guess if we all had deep pockets, S/steel would be the way to go, but I have gone for plastic.
I had nothing really to add to the debate. Until today.
Moving a 60L fermenter up on to a bench, prior to bottling - the screw on lid shifted loose. My grip moved and the weight shifted and the whole lot went tumbling! It all went slow-motion as my Jaipur clone went skyward. Then good old gravity got to hold. Nothing to do with calculating ABV, we are talking Newton. The lot came down with a thud, the lid spun off and my garage floor (and everything in the surrounding area) got a nice covering of beer and yeast. I'm still cleaning up, helped with a bottle of We'rd Beard Little Things that Kill.
But - I did manage to recover my composure in time to save ~40L. Not much help to those who have lost glass carboys in the past, but hopefully I still have some IPA to bottle.
So until I inherit some serious coin, I'm sticking to plastic.
Thanks for sharing, glad you saved 40.
60l is 60+Kgs that's a lot if beer to be hoofing around.
Ok fellas.
Dropping 60 litre plastic fermenter is pain in the neck and I'm really sorry for the loss.
Apart from cost of replacing broken carboys $$$ :o
Thats what is speaking against the glass carboys as for me anyway:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/broken-glass-carboy-horror-stories-compendium-376523/
That's why I use plastic and ss for bigger volumes, I hope I'll eventually go all ss and glass.. up to 10 litres in protective basket.
Glass all the way, I can see exactly what's going on and although tricky to manhandle, unlike those guys from Darwin awards if you have handles and grip well you will have no problems.
Quote from: CH on February 16, 2014, 11:32:13 PM
Glass all the way, I can see exactly what's going on and although tricky to manhandle, unlike those guys from Darwin awards if you have handles and grip well you will have no problems.
Unless of course you add boiling water to your glass carboy :P
Hey that was the only one that was my fault and you will have seen from my cleaning I don't even use hot or warm water anymore, besides I wasn't wearing shorts or bare feet like them egits.
Never dropped one yet in 8 carboys over 12 months and about 14 or so brews including secondaries on all.
Quote from: Will_D on February 09, 2014, 11:27:54 AM
Ah common John!
You know we are equipment freaks.
Just image:
Replace the cheap plastic with SS. Nice shinny pipes and connectors. Submersed pump. Arduino controlling time temperature and which of the fluid lines/reservoirs are being pumped:
Lower carboy or keg. Microswitch detects it and runs the cycle.
1. Hot water rinse ( 1 minute to flush out the crud ) Arduino heats the batch while the 10 min cycle is running). Flush to waste.
2. Hot W% or VWP or solution of choice ( 10 mins ) (Recycled)
3. Cold water rinse, flush to waste (30 seconds)
Lift off, and the system resets itself waiting for the next candidate.
That way you only have to lift the keg/carboy on and off once and you have 12 minute beer break while the computer does the hard work. Plus you can wear your flip flops!
Damn you WillD and your gadget goading
Determined not to do this on a grand scale, on the plus side a length of copper and the pump are the only things added to my shed.
Get a small pump from china 1200l/hr
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/8yda5u4a.jpg)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200-300-600-700-750-800-1200-1400-1600L-H-Submersible-Water-Pump-Pond-Aquarium-/111239693969?ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:IE:3160
Length of copper pipe
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/e8aquha4.jpg)
Some W5
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and a dirty carboy
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/jusyhuga.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/4e5eje9y.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/e5ypedyq.jpg)
Anyone any experience of these things? Almost tempted to make one with a length of bamboo, a chamois and jubilee clip:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/230992415194?hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1&lpid=95&device=t&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=95
-Barry
I have the carboy and corny keg version.
That's a knock off version.
Mine is gathering dust so make a homemade one and save your money
Soaking in w5 is still best way for carboys by a long shot
Fair enough. Could do with holding onto the money. Cheers.
I had a look in Lidl the other day for this w5 stuff but it appears there's a whole range of w5 products, from detergent to dishwater tablets. Are you just referring to their household bleach?
Annoyingly it looks like there's tiny little ridges on the inside bottom of my carboy that look like a cert for dirt buildup. A 4-day soak in cillit bang solution and 2-day soak in vwp solution couldn't seem to completely clear in between these ridges. Maybe I'm being a little too particular, or am just imagining dirt that's not there.
-Barry
Mine have ridges as well 24 hours with this stuff activated by warm NOT boiling! will shift anything
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/09/y7yjyma4.jpg)
Nice one, CH. Must try it out. Think we've got some Vanish under the sink.
Sorry to be a PITA, but what mix of powder and water do you use?
Cheers,
-Barry
As directed, it's cheap as chips so I tend to go a bit on the rich side.
Hey CH,
Picked me up a tub of that W5 Oxi Powder in Lidl and soaked the carboy (horizontal and rotating every few hours) in 2 scoops of Oxi mixed with 4L hot water following my most recent brew and BANG! Gone! No scrubbing needed. Sorted!
Cheers for the tip.
-Barry
You are welcome Bazza, Will put me onto it initially, my brush and pro carboy cleaner now have cobwebs.
+1 On the Lidl Oxy, be careful though if it gets on your hands or outside of the carboy while cleaning it will make the carboy slippery as fook :P
Dunno whether I'm only noticing this now that we're getting evenings of proper sunlight but yesterday evening, looking closely up to the light, it appears the Oxy stuff has left something of a smear on the inside of my carboy. I thought I'd been careful cleaning it out. I rinsed it about 3 times with the hose on spray setting. Very minor but just wondering if it's an issue?
Just as a precaution I made up a fresh W5 solution last night and left it to soak the affected area. Hoping to then rinse out with the hose again, then swrl some hotter water around the inside before finally swirling some SS solution in there prior to filling with wort (hoping to do a brew this evening).
Anyone else had this happen?
Cheers,
-Barry
I find its best to wash well using oxy but rinse in cold water leaving glass spotless and the rinse oin starsan and leave starsan in is fine
oxy action leaves a layer of sodium carbonate thast is one of the breakdown products. Oxy breaks down harmlessly in a short window.
If u leave glass in oxy too long it will crystalise onto the glass and need to be scrubbed clean.. so always wash in hot oxy and rinse when finished using starsan as the final sanitation rinse
A few points:
Use a length of brass or ss chain ( about a 8mm link length) in the demijohn, fermenter or whatever as a scourer!
Even works with a length in a litre bottle! Just make sure you hold the end outside of the neck or yoy may not get it out again
Regards W5 and glass:
Glass can resist most chemicals; Solvents, acids and other nasty stuff. The ONE thing it can't handle is strong alkalis.
Guess what a strong solution of W5 is! It will leave a bit of a film on the glasswhich takes a good few rinses to remove.
leave a toostrong W5 solution in glass and it may well etch the glass.
BTW #2: Vanish ( the pink one, contains perfume :-[ )
Had the exact same issue with oxy tried everything to shift it including caustic soda to no avail,...I was told to try PH down from a hydroponic shop..i found it in a pet shop as they use it for fish tanks...worked a treat...shifted it in seconds
so make sure u clean with oxy but rinse well and leave in a starsan solution. Sjhake every few days of storage to ensure ou drum, carboy or what evr is ready for use when u need it.
Guys has any move been made on sourcing the harness/carrier for the glass carboys, i think Eoin was working on something a few months back ? Also anybody have any successs locating a source for the big mouth bubbler that will ship to Ireland and not require a remortgage on your house ? ???
Quote from: lordstilton on April 24, 2014, 08:43:02 PM
Had the exact same issue with oxy tried everything to shift it including caustic soda to no avail,...I was told to try PH down from a hydroponic shop..i found it in a pet shop as they use it for fish tanks...worked a treat...shifted it in seconds
Thanks for the tip Lordstilton i had the same problem and pH down worked sweet. ;Dl
Quote from: Damien M on May 10, 2014, 11:42:51 PM
Quote from: lordstilton on April 24, 2014, 08:43:02 PM
Had the exact same issue with oxy tried everything to shift it including caustic soda to no avail,...I was told to try PH down from a hydroponic shop..i found it in a pet shop as they use it for fish tanks...worked a treat...shifted it in seconds
Thanks for the tip Lordstilton i had the same problem and pH down worked sweet. ;Dl
is this it?
Is that not just for bringing down ph?
http://www.apifishcare.com/product.php?id=644#.U26729EU_F4
I didn't get to it yet, basically I need to get some carboys of that type to build my design. My glass carboy is of the old blown balloon types in a basket.
Rather than buy PH down, have you tried any other acids like citric acid - lemon juice, or acetic acid - vinegar? Lidl sell a product for removing Water and soap stains from chrome taps, I think its called anti-cal or something like that. I see from the product sheet on PH down it contains sulfuric acid.
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Had the exact same issue with oxy tried everything to shift it including caustic soda to no avail,...I was told to try PH down from a hydroponic shop..i found it in a pet shop as they use it for fish tanks...worked a treat...shifted it in seconds
Thanks for the tip Lordstilton i had the same problem and pH down worked sweet. ;Dl
is this it?
Is that not just for bringing down ph?
http://www.apifishcare.com/product.php?id=644#.U26729EU_F4
Yep. That's the stuff. I had left Oxy in a bit too long...... A couple of days. :( and had scale deposits had formed at the water glass air interface. This stuff will drop the pH of yer water and the acid solution will dissolve the alkali deposits left by the oxy. Left the CB sparkly.
Quote from: Sorcerers Apprentice on May 11, 2014, 09:16:09 AM
Rather than buy PH down, have you tried any other acids like citric acid - lemon juice, or acetic acid - vinegar? Lidl sell a product for removing Water and soap stains from chrome taps, I think its called anti-cal or something like that. I see from the product sheet on PH down it contains sulfuric acid.
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pH down come in a few forms, there is a sulphuric, a nitric and a phosphoric acid version, they are not to be messed with. They must be handled as hazardous chemicals and if you use them in your bath they are likely to take the chrome off of your fittings.
That was my point Eoin, I personally would try a safer options like lemon juice before messing with the heavy guns :-) and I'm sure it's a lot cheaper
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Quote from: Sorcerers Apprentice on May 11, 2014, 09:36:45 AM
That was my point Eoin, I personally would try a safer options like lemon juice before messing with the heavy guns :-) and I'm sure it's a lot cheaper
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Yeah I get ya, but when the lighter stuff is not working then it's time to bring out the heavy guns...that said I did lose a pair of trousers once by picking up a bottle that I had not put the lid back on correctly and it slipped and landed square on on the floor and a drop shot up out of it and sprayed my trousers, when I looked down they were smoking and full of holes....I was rinsing my face to make sure any splashes were taken off. I wasn't hurt but the trousers were terminal, at least I had a "safe" accident and nothing serious happened beyond losing a pair of trousers, but I learned to be safer with them. CRS is another heavy chemical that I tend to use which is also sulphuric from what I remember.
Lucky it didn't land in your lap :-O
We used to have the same problem years ago while changing batteries on the fork lift trucks. The acid would eat through the overalls and through your clothes underneath them. The brewery used to give us an allowance for clothing , no matter what precautions you took a small drop would always seem to get through. People pay for jeans with holes already in them now :-)
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good oul lemon juice...did really well in last years nationals with a lemon ale :)
Nothing wrong with a bit of citric acid and its cheap as chips :)