New double IPA from BrewDog, brewed to celebrate Winter Olimpics. Catchy name :)
(http://www.brewdog.com/uploaded_images8/vlad3_1240.jpg) (http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/hello-my-name-is-vladimir)
Quote from: Jacob on February 05, 2014, 07:54:09 AM
New double IPA from BrewDog, brewed to celebrate Winter Olimpics. Catchy name :)
(http://www.brewdog.com/uploaded_images8/vlad3_1240.jpg) (http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/hello-my-name-is-vladimir)
Brewed as a protest against institutional homophobia in Russia not in celebration of Winter Olympics, to be honest i find the whole thing distasteful at best and insulting at worst. >:(
Quote from: Greg2013 on February 05, 2014, 09:39:34 AM
Brewed as a protest against institutional homophobia in Russia not in celebration of Winter Olympics
Lol, I stopped reading this beer description on "I am a beer to mark the 2014 Winter Olympic".
Anyway, still think that's it's a catchy name. Publicity, publicity, publicity ... it's all about it :/
50% of profits going to charity as well, can't fault them for that.
Also this is a pretty funny photo of Brewdog's James.
(http://www.brewdog.com/blog_images/f9f9efd0230e2b666c6eb8f47f7751c6_39019.jpeg)
There should have been a speech bubble saying "Putin glass...not drink from bottle"
Quote from: delzep on February 05, 2014, 11:31:16 AM
There should have been a speech bubble saying "Putin glass...not drink from bottle"
Ooh whose a witty boy then :D
8)
Charity, human rights, excellent PR... all very good, but does Putin actually like IPA?
He drinks them two at a time while shooting AK47's and playing karate at the same time
Charity- they are making a profit, charity is a smokescreen
Human Rights ?- go to Russia and tackle Putins politics head on, if you 'aint into it stay out of it
Excellent PR ? - for the brewery yes, most of the masses can't afford Brewdog's beers, certainly not in Russia anyway
Brewdog did this for one reason and one reason only and that was "Brewdog".
IMHO this is not a laughing matter and should not be mad into a laughing matter, this is not one of those situations where anyone can say "ah sure if you can't laugh at yourself what good is it? ", people are dying over there because of this and these monkeys think this is a good thing to do ?
Oh and did ye all miss the"not for gays" note that's meant to be humorous or something ? I see none of ye mentioned that one.
I have two friends in the UK and a few in USA that are gay and let me tell ye they do not appreciate this or find it one bit funny nor do they think the motives are altruistic or helpful, in fact one of them said Brewdog was no better than Putin and i agree :(
But sure' tis funny after all right ? ::)
Quote from: Greg2013 on February 05, 2014, 12:50:06 PM
Charity- they are making a profit, charity is a smokescreen
Human Rights ?- go to Russia and tackle Putins politics head on, if you 'aint into it stay out of it
Excellent PR ? - for the brewery yes, most of the masses can't afford Brewdog's beers, certainly not in Russia anyway
Brewdog did this for one reason and one reason only and that was "Brewdog".
IMHO this is not a laughing matter and should not be mad into a laughing matter, this is not one of those situations where anyone can say "ah sure if you can't laugh at yourself what good is it? ", people are dying over there because of this and these monkeys think this is a good thing to do ?
Oh and did ye all miss the"not for gays" note that's meant to be humorous or something ? I see none of ye mentioned that one.
I have two friends in the UK and a few in USA that are gay and let me tell ye they do not appreciate this or find it one bit funny nor do they think the motives are altruistic or helpful, in fact one of them said Brewdog was no better than Putin and i agree :(
But sure' tis funny after all right ? ::)
I just showed it to my gay housemate and she had a great laugh - depends on the person I guess
I think as satire, it works very well. But satire isn't for everyone. Of course Brewdog are doing this for themselves but they are raising the issue of Putin's homophobia. It has us talking doesn't it?
I spotted the "not for gays" on the label. I bet Putin had a good laugh at that? Sure beer is a gay drink anyway. Real men drink vodka and aftershave :P (Sorry Greg, I'm one of the ones who likes satire!)
I actually appreciate satire as well guys but not in inappropriate circumstances where people are being murdered(IMHO), would this go down so well if it was aimed at all the gays and Jews murdered during the Holocaust? Same thing going on here folks, purging of the unclean so to speak. To be fair they are not raising the issue of Putin's homophobia IMHO, if they wanted to genuinely do that they would go on the national press and as reps of Brewdog denounce what's going on but no they had to suit themselves first. :D
"Yea someone commented on the post saying it was satire so it was ok. So where is all the satire protesting all the rest of societies ills, don't see any satire on paedophilia, child brides, treatment of women in India, Rape victims being forced to marry their attackers in Dubai. No one for a second would think they were a cause for satire, but as this is Gays then satire is fine".
A direct quote from a friend in the UK and below a link to what Brewdog and others deems suitable for satire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551767/Footage-horrific-beatings-humiliation-suffered-gay-lesbians-hands-homophobic-Russian-gangs-emerges-days-country-hosts-winter-Olympics.html
Quote from: Garry on February 05, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
I think as satire, it works very well. But satire isn't for everyone. Of course Brewdog are doing this for themselves but they are raising the issue of Putin's homophobia. It has us talking doesn't it?
The fact that this protest parodies the I-cant-believe-he's-not-out macho/butch PR image that Putin projects is quite inspired.
Still on the fence about the whole thing, but I have to say one thing, Brewdog are doing a lot more about it than the olympic sponsors.
Quote from: TheSumOfAllBeers on February 05, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: Garry on February 05, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
I think as satire, it works very well. But satire isn't for everyone. Of course Brewdog are doing this for themselves but they are raising the issue of Putin's homophobia. It has us talking doesn't it?
The fact that this protest parodies the I-cant-believe-he's-not-out macho/butch PR image that Putin projects is quite inspired.
Still on the fence about the whole thing, but I have to say one thing, Brewdog are doing a lot more about it than the olympic sponsors.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, well most of the time anyway, however i have to disagree with you on that one about what Brewdog are doing here, tell me exactly what Brewdog are doing for the attacks in Russia that would not be more appropriately served by a piece on the BBC or in a major UK newspaper that does not put their beer first and foremost in this fight? ;D
Quote from: TheSumOfAllBeers on February 05, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Still on the fence about the whole thing, but I have to say one thing, Brewdog are doing a lot more about it than the olympic sponsors.
Spot on. Though where would
anything be held if the Olympic committee, FIFA etc were to hold their events in only pristine countries.
Ireland? Er...
A lot of countries seem to be having serious issues with right wingers at the minute. Fascist parties, extreme religious groups, endemic serious mistreatment of women and children. Brewdog have gone with something that's the least taboo, clearly (the use of the term gay in their hashtag, as opposed to #notforrapevictims or #notforchildrenwithintactinnocence).
I don't think it's brilliant what Brewdog have done, but they
are raising awareness of the problem in Russia (in addition to boosting the coffers/profile, of course - Greg2013 "that does not put their beer first and foremost in this fight"). You're right there, Greg.
Also, they made Putin look like a pantomime dame. I just don't think it
will get through to his office, somehow.
Quote from: Greg2013 on February 05, 2014, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: TheSumOfAllBeers on February 05, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Quote from: Garry on February 05, 2014, 01:18:49 PM
I think as satire, it works very well. But satire isn't for everyone. Of course Brewdog are doing this for themselves but they are raising the issue of Putin's homophobia. It has us talking doesn't it?
The fact that this protest parodies the I-cant-believe-he's-not-out macho/butch PR image that Putin projects is quite inspired.
Still on the fence about the whole thing, but I have to say one thing, Brewdog are doing a lot more about it than the olympic sponsors.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, well most of the time anyway, however i have to disagree with you on that one about what Brewdog are doing here, tell me exactly what Brewdog are doing for the attacks in Russia that would not be more appropriately served by a piece on the BBC or in a major UK newspaper that does not put their beer first and foremost in this fight? ;D
They are making Putin and his stupid law look like the asses that they are.
Any publicity on this issue is good publicity from what I can see, they should parody it and make the Russians look backward.
I think you're taking it a little too seriously.
Anyway how could they enforce the whole "not for gays" thing, it'd never work. <--Humour
Actually, maybe that IS the point. Ridicule the law, get it changed. Like that stupid law the EU tried to bring in regarding olive oil in restaurants. If it wasn't for the WHOLE of the social media (probably mainly food bloggers) ridiculing the law it wouldn't have been repealed within 48hrs.
http://capreform.eu/eu-to-ban-reusable-olive-oil-bottles-in-restaurants/ (http://capreform.eu/eu-to-ban-reusable-olive-oil-bottles-in-restaurants/)
Quote from: Greg2013 on February 05, 2014, 03:52:01 PM
tell me exactly what Brewdog are doing for the attacks in Russia that would not be more appropriately served by a piece on the BBC or in a major UK newspaper that does not put their beer first and foremost in this fight? ;D
By using humour and exaggeration they are raising awareness of the homophobic violence in Russia. They have us talking, so the satire works. If enough groups like us are talking about it, then it's likely that a major news station/paper will pick it up. Brewdog make beer, they're not a media organisation, yet they have managed to highlight this issue. Sure they're going to make money out of it but some of that money is going to charity and they should be commended for that.
I am taking it too seriously ? Ffs what other way should I take it ? You can raise awareness without using satire in a situation that is as non satirical or funny as this. The world already knows what us going on, we certainly don't need the likes of Brewdog making light of the situation which presents the very real danger of people nit read into it of thinking its all a big joke.
The fact that no one here sees anything aberrant or wrong with what Brewdog is doing is very disappointing lads. What if they brewed a beer and put not for Jews and shipped it out to Palestine would thst be ok with ye as well? Because that is what ye are condoning. Think outside the box people and look at what is really going on.
I don't think they're banning gay people from drinking their beer...
Quote from: Tom on February 05, 2014, 04:50:39 PM
I don't think they're banning gay people from drinking their beer...
Sure gays only drink white wine and fruity cocktails anyway. :P
I do think you are missing the point Greg. The line "not for gays" on the label doesn't literally mean "not for gays". It's there to ridicule the current homophobic culture we are seeing in Russia. It is used to highlight the appalling violence targeted against homosexual people. The joke is on Putin, not homosexuals. There is no reason for gay people to be offended by it. It's not an attack on them. It's attacking the people that condone such violence and allow it to happen.
Quote from: Tom on February 05, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
Charity, human rights, excellent PR... all very good, but does Putin actually like IPA?
i think it's black IPAs that he dosen't like
I think they should just stop all the nonsense and make good beer primarily. But they're doing something, raising awareness and I think they quite like the gays.
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Also note that picture on the label which I have seen in a few places supporting lgbt in Russia.
Edit; I'm wrong but it's certainly a variant on this(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1315873/thumbs/r-PUTIN-large570.jpg?6)
I believe this is on the label:
"Drinking me gives you energy, ignorance and dogmatism required to shoot a deer (with your top off) and pass internationally denounced, discriminatory legislation (top optional) before you've even had your caviar breakfast."
Just reading this thread now and it brings back memories of the time i was in the doghouse with SWMBO after i brought her home a Yorkie bar.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcjlzSod0CE
Quote from: Greg2013 on February 05, 2014, 03:52:01 PM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, well most of the time anyway, however i have to disagree with you on that one about what Brewdog are doing here, tell me exactly what Brewdog are doing for the attacks in Russia that would not be more appropriately served by a piece on the BBC or in a major UK newspaper that does not put their beer first and foremost in this fight? ;D
It wouldn't be brewdog then. It would also get no attention. There are people going through traditional politics and media to address the issue, and is it helping? This is a different way, from a commercial source admittedly, of focusing attention on the issue in a different way.
I'm sure it's not rebadged Hardcore, and if they cared that much about human rights in Russia, or gay peoples' human rights for that matter, they'd plenty chance to speak up before now.
Crassly oportunistic viral marketing from my least favourite corporate beer hipsters.
Quote from: TheSumOfAllBeers on February 05, 2014, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: Greg2013 on February 05, 2014, 03:52:01 PM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, well most of the time anyway, however i have to disagree with you on that one about what Brewdog are doing here, tell me exactly what Brewdog are doing for the attacks in Russia that would not be more appropriately served by a piece on the BBC or in a major UK newspaper that does not put their beer first and foremost in this fight? ;D
It wouldn't be brewdog then. It would also get no attention. There are people going through traditional politics and media to address the issue, and is it helping? This is a different way, from a commercial source admittedly, of focusing attention on the issue in a different way.
It's focusing attention on Brewdog though not the truely worthy cause of what is going on in Russia.
Quote from: mr happy on February 05, 2014, 10:06:23 PM
I'm sure it's not rebadged Hardcore, and if they cared that much about human rights in Russia, or gay peoples' human rights for that matter, they'd plenty chance to speak up before now.
Crassly oportunistic viral marketing from my least favourite corporate beer hipsters.
Spot on Mr.Happy at least one other persons mind and eyes are open on what is going on ;)
Is opportunistic marketing an issue when it is also raising awareness of an issue?
Personally I think they risk their brand by getting involved in politicking, it's not smart in the long term and will alienate some, but it's the way they do it.
I see both sides, but I think the overall is primarily positive and not a negative.
Consciousness raising, seriously? Band wagon jumping might be a wee bit closer. Putin's already striking poses to distance himself from accusations of homophobia in the mainstream media. Usually the Russian government doesn't care what the west thinks - it only cares now because it doesn't want some kind of spat overshadowing the Olympics. Of course, this is the reason why activists have made this an issue now. Our Scottish friends aren't setting this agenda - they are just reacting. I don't see their posturing as positive or negative in terms of the substantive issue. I'd imagine it won't have much impact.
And I bet the beer's either rebadged, or horrible.
I caught a piece on Tubridy this am. He spoke of a program on TV showing the homo-bashing 'sport' that is rife in Russia. Scary stuff.