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Title: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Dunkel on February 09, 2014, 09:11:41 PM
Doing up a presentation about Irish stout and porter. Which was the earliest Irish brewery to produce stout/porter?
Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: irish_goat on February 09, 2014, 09:39:12 PM
Might depend on your definition of stout and porter.
Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Sorcerers Apprentice on February 09, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
I think it may have been Uncle Arthur in 1759, they say he copied the style from London, and it was so successful that he was able to take over the many small breweries brewing ale in the James st/ Liberties area. Beamish was founded in 1792, and Murphys in 1856
Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Stitch on February 09, 2014, 10:06:48 PM
First reference of porter brewing in Ireland is in 1763 by Joseph and Ephraim Thwaites.

There is a good history of stout and porter in ireland by Bill Yenne in Guinness:the 250 year quest for the perfect pint

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Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Stitch on February 09, 2014, 10:08:05 PM
Not sure how this will turn out. Attached from the phone

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Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Dunkel on February 10, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
Fair enough. But I thought Guinness didn't start brewing porter until 1787?
Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: irish_goat on February 10, 2014, 11:06:42 AM
Quote from: Dunkel on February 10, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
Fair enough. But I thought Guinness didn't start brewing porter until 1787?

According to the Guinness wiki page.

QuoteArthur Guinness started selling the dark beer porter in 1778.[9] The first Guinness beers to use the term were Single Stout and Double Stout in the 1840s

Source is "Guinness's Brewery in the Irish Economy 1759–1876", Patrick Lynch and John Vaizey, published 1960, pages 150–151.
Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Stitch on February 10, 2014, 11:12:41 AM
if u read the passage twaites first reference of people brewing porter in ireland. Not guiness

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Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Dunkel on February 10, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
Thwaites good enough for me.
Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Stitch on February 10, 2014, 11:52:46 AM
Sorry for last post did not mean to be so short. Struggling to climb up to three rock!!

Yeah the image is a lot clearer on the laptop than on the phone. Glad to have helped :)
Title: Re: First Irish Stout?
Post by: Dunkel on February 10, 2014, 11:57:05 AM
Thanks guys  :)