Detail of Course on offer at the mo. in Cork (F. Well)
Cost of course is dependent on Numbers.
More detail here...
http://www.taste4success.ie/current-courses/
Certificate with IBD, UK
This is an outline of the course
Day 1 – GCB Activities Approx times
Introduction & Welcome 15 minutes
Unit 1 Introduction Malting visit or Video 60 minutes
Unit 2 Brewhouse Brewhouse visit 60 minutes
Unit 3 Wort Boiling 30 minutes
Mock Exam Homework 60 minutes
Day 2 – GCB Activities Approx times
Review Day 1 60 minutes
Unit 4 Wort Clarification 60 minutes
Unit 5 Fermentation Theory
Unit 6 Fermentation Practice Fermentation visit
Unit 7 Yeast Fermentation 60 minutes
Unit 8a Beer Maturation 30 minutes
Unit 8b Cask Beer Preparation 30 minutes
Mock Exam Homework 60 minutes
Day 3 – GCB Activities Approx times
Review Day 2 60 minutes
Unit 9a Beer Filtration 60 minutes
Unit 9b Cask Racking Racking Room visit 60 minutes
Unit 10 Beer Quality – Process Control 60 minutes
Unit 11 Beer Quality – Flavour 60 minutes
Unit 12 Dissolved Oxygen 30 minutes
Unit 13 Beer Quality – Microbiology 60 minutes
Unit 14 Beer Quality - Systems 45 minutes
Mock Exam Homework 60 minutes
Day 4 – GCB Activities Approx times
Review Day 3 60 minutes
Unit 15 Plant Cleaning – Chemicals 60 minutes
Unit 16 Plant Cleaning – Systems 60 minutes
Unit 17 Maintenance 30 minutes
Unit 18 Water & Effluent 90 minutes
Unit 19 Process Gas 30 minutes
Unit 20 Environmental 60 minutes
Mock Exam Homework – Full Mock 1 120 minutes
Day 5 – GCB Activities Approx times
Review Day 4 60 minutes
Presentations on poorly answered Questions & Exam Technique 120 minutes
Mock Exam 2 120 minutes
Mock Exam 3 120 minutes
Review of Course 40 minutes
Mock Exam Homework 4 120 minutes
Does the link not say it will be in Dublin?
I took this course in preparation for the General certificate exam. I found it a very intense and worthwhile week.
It will melt your head ;D
Hi Spud,
I was going to PM you to see if this was the course, but decided to post in public.
Where did you do the course?
How did the cost work out for you?
They have a sliding scale, and the headcount is 6 for Cork, so the price is EUR1350 right now.
If they get to 20, the cost is EUR500 - much more affordable.
Maybe its something we should consider.
Get 40 people interested and get it for EUR250.
I done it in the Fran Well back in October John, followed up by the exam in November in Midleton. The exam is offered twice a year, November and may I think.
I was funded to do the course so I cant help with costs, there were.
From memory I reckon there were 19 on my course with 6 from existing Irish micros, 1 from a well known micro in the UK, 3 from Irish micros that will open this year, 3 publicans and a clatter of homebrewers.
Tim O'Rourke (http://allgatesbrewery.com/allgates-brewery-blog/tag/tim-orourke/) gives the lectures, I believe there is nothing he dosnt know about beer or it's production!
Hi Spud you look like you did your homework on this one, any thoughts about courses i should be looking at here or overseas where there is more of a focus on tasting akin to a wine sommelier rather than the full brewing education.
I know you are going to say they are of course linked.
I just don't want to become a professional brewer just a professional taster :)
Are there fixed course and registration dates, or are they the same as the dublin ones?
If it was close to the 20 people andwith a bit of notice, i'd be interested for sure.
Good find John, they were supposed to contact me if this course was held again as I couldn't attend the last one. Have emailed them for more info..
This course is on Feb 25 to Mar 1.
For the money that it will cost it is Way too short notice for me and I guess other homebrewers.
I think we should calendar the next one and aim to have our finance etc for the next round.
We can surely rustle up 20 bodies for this.
I'll do some homework on time/location/cost
Assuming this is a runner, and assuming EUR500 or so, lets start a TENTATIVE list...
1. johnrm
@Spud: From your experience with Tim ORourke, is he free to do courses off his own bat? Say we cover his time, flights, expenses and throw few good beers?
Then all interested parties need to do is register, pay for and sit exams.
Also, if this kite flys (my first time using that expression!) the location will have to be Airport, candidate and venue centric. I'm all for slumming it like I did in college!
Quote@Spud: From your experience with Tim ORourke, is he free to do courses off his own bat? Say we cover his time, flights, expenses and throw few good beers?
Then all interested parties need to do is register, pay for and sit exams.
He's an extremely busy individual who does business and courses all round the world. He is however freelance, enjoys Ireland and has other business interests here. So with plenty of forethought I'm sure you could come to some arrangement with him.
If the above were to work out, I'm sure that is the course you are talking about Ciderhead. I've been on a few brewery tours with Tim and enjoyed a couple of tastings sessions with him and would highly recommend partaking if you get the chance
I don't see any direct contact details on the above link for Tim.
If you have contact details for him, could you introduce us?
I will then put together an email explaining ourselves.
Thanks!
This (http://www.brilliantbeer.com/) is his website, not very user friendly untill you can log in but there's a contact mail address. I'm not in regular contact with him or anything but you can certainly drop my name I'm sure it'll impress ;)
Why did that link just take me to a viagra website???
QuoteWhy did that link just take me to a viagra website???
And don't say "Coz you need it Will"
It brought me there the first time, then to brilliantbeer.com
Spud must have had a D'oh moment and copied one of his favourites ;D
C'mon lads, where are all the list addicts?...
Assuming this is a runner, and assuming EUR500 or so, lets start a TENTATIVE list...
No obligation, gauging interest!!!
1. johnrm
Hey I got it that time as well, dont know what that means :o
provided there's enough people and notice:
1. johnrm
2. LordEoin
QuoteHey I got it that time as well, dont know what that means :o
It's a windows thing not on my iPad, where have you all been cruising? Something for the week-end Sir? ;)
QuoteHi Spud you look like you did your homework on this one, any thoughts about courses i should be looking at here or overseas where there is more of a focus on tasting akin to a wine sommelier rather than the full brewing education.
I know you are going to say they are of course linked.
I just don't want to become a professional brewer just a professional taster :)
The Yanks: https://cicerone.org/
The Brits: https://www.ibd.org.uk/beer-academy/courses/beer-sommelier/
There are probably others but they are the ones ive heard of!
Or if you wanted to become a homebrew judge: http://www.bjcp.org/index.php
Thanks for that
I emailed them asking about this and got this response.
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Hi Thomas,
This Certificate in Brewing is open to employees working in the food and drink sector, or to sole traders operating a micro/home brewery. Job seekers may apply for a free place – subject to availability.
Please note that we cannot accept individuals to the programme or individuals whose employer is not a member of the Taste 4 Success Skillnet.
Regards
Breda
So if I'm willing to pay the money I still can't do the course? :-?
We use them for first aid training etc, I don't think it's a big deal to get a company to sign up and then the company can access reduced price first aid training etc
Yeah, on for this.
1. johnrm
2. LordEoin
3. Alex Lawes
QuoteI emailed them asking about this and got this response.
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Hi Thomas,
This Certificate in Brewing is open to employees working in the food and drink sector, or to sole traders operating a micro/home brewery. Job seekers may apply for a free place – subject to availability.
Please note that we cannot accept individuals to the programme or individuals whose employer is not a member of the Taste 4 Success Skillnet.
Regards
Breda
So if I'm willing to pay the money I still can't do the course? :-?
That's how it seems to be, so it's hard to persuade myself that I would be worth doing, when I have zero change of getting on it anyway. I'd say that also applies to anyone else who is employed, but not in the food and drink industry. Not sure why it actually matters if we were willing to pay oursleves. Regardless of that, still not sure I could justify €500 at the moment.
QuoteI emailed them asking about this and got this response.
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Hi Thomas,
This Certificate in Brewing is open to employees working in the food and drink sector, or to sole traders operating a micro/home brewery. Job seekers may apply for a free place – subject to availability.
Please note that we cannot accept individuals to the programme or individuals whose employer is not a member of the Taste 4 Success Skillnet.
Regards
Breda
So if I'm willing to pay the money I still can't do the course? :-?
Membership is free:
http://www.taste4success.ie/membership/
You just need to fill out the form, I'm sure if you asked Geoff nicely...
Could the NHC register? There's a space on the form for "friendly societies" .
QuoteWe can certainly try :)
I'll email off the form tomorrow and we'll see what happens.
Good man. :)
Are any of the lads on the list here up for doing the upcoming course?
I.e. the one that you need to be in for the 8th Feb, and it's on in Cork end of Feb?
QuoteAre any of the lads on the list here up for doing the upcoming course?
I.e. the one that you need to be in for the 8th Feb, and it's on in Cork end of Feb?
I'm definitely on for this but couldn't fork out a grand. 500 for the GBC prep seems reasonable. I actually have the coursework from the brilliantbeer site. What's important about this stuff is understanding how the exam is presented. The IBD exam is focused heavily towards British brewing practice and they expect you to answer from a British perspective. If you want to come away with the cert this course seems indispensable.
If it is a British based course,make sure you start with,"and this is when you add the crystal malt" :D :D
Dempsey's right lads. I'd advise you get prepping on your decoction mash diatribe already. Any knowledge on how to give out about kegging over cask is a bonus too.
QuoteQuoteI emailed them asking about this and got this response.
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Hi Thomas,
This Certificate in Brewing is open to employees working in the food and drink sector, or to sole traders operating a micro/[size=14]home brewery[/size]. Job seekers may apply for a free place – subject to availability.
Please note that we cannot accept individuals to the programme or individuals whose employer is not a member of the Taste 4 Success Skillnet.
Regards
Breda
So if I'm willing to pay the money I still can't do the course? :-?
That's how it seems to be, so it's hard to persuade myself that I would be worth doing, when I have zero change of getting on it anyway. I'd say that also applies to anyone else who is employed, but not in the food and drink industry. Not sure why it actually matters if we were willing to pay oursleves. Regardless of that, still not sure I could justify €500 at the moment.
I just noticed the highlighted bit from irish_goats post.
So I just need to register as a sole trader then to tick all the boxes.
So I shouldn't have registered a business name then? 8-)
tic, tic, tic...
Feb 8th looms...
What happened with this?
It sort of didn't.
Tue people organizing this were Jen to deal with business owners only plus
there was not enough interest posted here to make a difference.
I am going to explore the 'direct to IBD' route to see if there's any possibilities there.
In terms of cost, (We're home brewers do we're cost conscious) home study its the obvious least cost route.
(From pub in Barcelona...)
I'm sure the above means something but can you either translate from Spanish or post again when you are not pissed and back on the auld sod :)
Is this the only brewing course available in Ireland? What exactly qualification do you receive for all that money?
QuoteIs this the only brewing course available in Ireland? What exactly qualification do you receive for all that money?
General Certificate in Brewing (if you pass the exam), It can be had cheaper by distance learning by going to IBD directly. This is an intensive revision type course that is supposed to be good at getting you prepared for the exam. (it included the exam entry fee)
I've sent an exploratory email to IBD.
Beer Sommelier courses...
https://www.ibd.org.uk/beer-academy/courses/beer-sommelier/