Hi There,
I picked up this SS 50L Boil pot for cheap on German Ebay for 60Euro..thought I was onto a good thing until, the large coke can arrived :P a hard poke with your finger would put a dent in it (1mm all around) .. Has anyone any experience with these very thin pots operating on a strong gas burner? Could there be issues.
Got a Step drill from www.handyhardware.ie (http://www.handyhardware.ie) and stuck the weldlesss fittings I got from http://www.chicompany.net/ (http://www.chicompany.net/)
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv152/magnethead123/20140309_163936-w1024-h768_zps7f5a8ba9.jpg)
The Torpedo I have is Heavy duty 304 stainless steel 井16 mesh. The mesh looks large enought to catch large hop particles but not the slop you get in a Boil pot, Before I used to sphion from the pot into a large funnel(That has a fine Hop bag covering it) sitting on my fermentor, this caught all the slop.
I'm not sure if it'll fit yet, but I found these air filter in Stainless, 井MESH 30 and 60
http://www.wholesaleweldingsupplies.ie/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=filter&product_id=1187 (http://www.wholesaleweldingsupplies.ie/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=filter&product_id=1187)
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv152/magnethead123/20140309_164226-w1024-h768_zps9cd82079.jpg)
Do you think these filters would be too fine(clog up) or a good size?
Biggest problem with any hop filter is the amount of surface area you have for the wort to filter through the hop and break gunk that will build up against it. As the gunk builds up the flow rate slows down. What about whirlpooling the hot wort,then draining from the side of the pot through a hop filter fitted outside the pot. The item you posted http://www.wholesaleweldingsupplies.ie/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=filter&product_id=1187 could be fitted into a pipe so the wort/gunk is drained into the middle of it and it holds the gunk inside with the clear wort passing on to the chiller and on to the FV. Because you would have whirlpooled then most of the hops/gunk will have piled up in the centre of the pot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0_8VfS2VA8
Magnethead have you a link to the German ebay shop you got that boil pot from ? Was that 60 euro delivered to Ireland ? ;D
I use same bazooka filter in my pot and it works very well with leaf or pellet. You will have no problems there.
I heard about your Epic Berwday Shane ;D I'd say the pot couldn't get a better test so thanks for the feedback. (By the way, be careful about what tool you use on stainless! Make sure the wire brush(Stainless bristles) is good for stainless, use the wrong one and it'll start creating rust where the scratchs are....discovered that with welding, have a seperate set of cutting tools and brushs for stainless)
http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Bristles-Cleaning-Porcelain-Enameled/dp/B00CATVET0 (http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Bristles-Cleaning-Porcelain-Enameled/dp/B00CATVET0)
Low carbon steel, will camtanimate your stainless
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_brush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_brush)
Bryan I don't have a pump which I think you need for the whirpool..but from your link that's obviously a very good way of handling the crud. The air filter only have a surface area of about 40cm squared which isn't much, good point about the surface area! I know I have to clean off my nylon sheet about 5 times as I'm running the wort through it.
Greg, If you don't speak German like me, you're better off just emailing the lad at Catering-Portal.Bergland@msg.afterbuy.de
60 Euro to the door, yes :)
here's the link in case you do
http://www.ebay.de/itm/380822523647?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D380822523647%26_rdc%3D1 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/380822523647?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D380822523647%26_rdc%3D1)
Mark, you reckon I shouldn't bother with an extra layer of filtration? Do yuo tip your pot at the end to get the last bit of wort or do you do any external filtration before it hits your fermentor? you don't find you have a large amount of sediment in your fermentor apart from the Yeast?
Thanks
Hello Mr. Power,
thank you for your message and your interest in our products.
Unfortunately our management has decided, that the delivery abroad is no longer possible. We only ship within Germany and to Austria. Do you have an alternative delivery address in Germany or Austria?
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Bergland Handels GmbH
Kirchstr. 71 - 73
08248 Klingenthal
Deutschland
:'( :'( :'(
It all I use. Works a treat. I leave material settle then draw off gently into fermenter. Never had an issue with it.
Hi Greg,
I'm giving them some crap now as They asked me to recommend them ::)
I'll let you know what happens (Been a few months since I ordered mine - maybe they had some bad delivery experiences :P)
From: Catering-Portal.Bergland@msg.afterbuy.de [mailto:Catering-Portal.Bergland@msg.afterbuy.de]
Sent: 21 January 2014 14:20
To: Nathan Murray
Subject: AW:RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: [AB#832397] 50 L Brew pot
Hello Nathan,
thank you for your message and your positive feedback.
We would be very happy, if you would order again or recommend us :)
In case of any questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
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Best regards from Germany!
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Bergland Handels GmbH
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08248 Klingenthal
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Quote from: magnethead on March 10, 2014, 02:22:43 PM
Hi Greg,
I'm giving them some crap now as They asked me to recommend them ::)
I'll let you know what happens (Been a few months since I ordered mine - maybe they had some bad delivery experiences :P)
From: Catering-Portal.Bergland@msg.afterbuy.de [mailto:Catering-Portal.Bergland@msg.afterbuy.de]
Sent: 21 January 2014 14:20
To: Nathan Murray
Subject: AW:RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: [AB#832397] 50 L Brew pot
Hello Nathan,
thank you for your message and your positive feedback.
We would be very happy, if you would order again or recommend us :)
In case of any questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Have a nice day!
Best regards from Germany!
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Kristin Ruckdeschel
Bergland Handels GmbH
Kirchstr. 71 - 73
08248 Klingenthal
Deutschland
I wouldn't mind but they have at least one item i have been looking for :( Cheers Magnethead :D
Hi Greg,
looks, like they are now only going through some resellers in the UK....There will be another mark up, you could check them out to see how bad it is
From: Catering-Portal.Bergland@msg.afterbuy.de [mailto:Catering-Portal.Bergland@msg.afterbuy.de]
Sent: 10 March 2014 14:40
To: Nathan Murray
Subject: AW:RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: [AB#832397] 50 L Brew pot
Hello Nathan,
thank you for your message.
Yes, unfortunately this information is right :( Our management has decided, that the delivery abroad is no longer possible. Yes, there were a lot of problems with the deliveries (damages, returns, etc.), but these problems we not the only the client's faults. So our management has decided to stop selling and shipping abroad. I'm very sorry :(
We only allowed to sell our items to our reseller from England, e.g.:
www.powellbrewing.co.uk (http://www.powellbrewing.co.uk)
Mail to: powellbrewing@hotmail.co.uk
or
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In case of further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
If you want a decent quality kettle I would recommend the ones on mybeerandwine.ie. Mine is like this one in the link but it came with a welded 1/2" fitting, ball valve and bazooka. http://www.mybeerandwine.ie/heavy-duty-stock-litre-p-309.html (http://www.mybeerandwine.ie/heavy-duty-stock-litre-p-309.html)
I have the 36L one and it is a serious piece of kit. Good heavy pot with ferrous base so it works on induction hob. There is no way you'd put a dent in it with your finger :P
Yep bummer allright, and then you have the bloody shipping from UK which is atrocious at the best of times :(
Edit: email sent to powellbrewing.co.uk. Am i correct in thinking those pots have a skirt around the bottom and are meant only for a gas burner ? ;D
Yep, there is a tit for tat going on between Royal mail and An post, needed a taillight for my bike badly, It was posted last Monday, arrived in Heathrow and was Delivered today a week later. Honest 'An Post' customer service agent told me that it sits in Heathrow for the week. but An post do a similar delay tactic with UK mail :)
What do you mean about the skirt? The pics above show a simple curve as most pots have...they just press the shape out of steel...No fancy skirts.....you fiond the skirts on the side of Gas burners to deflect the wind and focus the heat upwards.
The thermo pots on powellbrewing like what that German lad has all have skirts on the bottom ? ;D I have my eye on the 38.5lt model with the ball valve, i think its good value at £100 depending on what the shipping is like of course.
http://powellbrewing.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=67&product_id=92
Yeah I see that now, Insulation on the walls and everything, That actually looks like the better deal altogether ??? :P
Quote from: Tube on March 10, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
I have the same pots, used on Saturday on gas for the lambic brewday. Boiling wort was no problem. Boiling the mash (it was a decoction of sorts) ended up with a lot of grain caramelised on the bottom, which took a wire brush on the drill to remove.
a chef friend of mine gave me a tip that he uses on pots that he has made caramel in. Boil some 7up in the end of the pot. Leave overnight to cool and it just wipes off in the morning. Probably better than a drill and wire brush.
Will sprite do it too :-*
Quote from: DEMPSEY on March 10, 2014, 07:48:41 PM
Will sprite do it too :-*
the fact it works at all freaks me out.
If its that corrosive what's it doing to our innards ???
It's just mild carbonic acid.
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Hey Greg. Not sure if you are familiar with Shipito.com - think US version of parcel motel. Well if you register with them it looks like they have an address in Austria that you could give to Bergland.
Worth checking out anyway.
Cheers Ozbrewer(do i know you from somewhere :-\) i will look into it, i defo need one of those boil kettles after my first AG brew day today. ;D
Edit: I typed "shititto" into Google on accident and it still came up first on the list ???
Oh great, Just when i thought I couldn't order stuff from the states (firms that have not heard of europe or the rest of the world) along comes this blooming version of uncle sams parcel motel!
Brilliant, there goes the pension!
PS: Interesting to hear any feedback on this.
Ok so i looked into that USA version of PM and it appears it only works to and from the USA, so if you wanted to order something from Germany and ship it to Ireland no good :'( Either that i am not looking in the right section ? :D
@Greg - lol. I thought the shitito was funny. Shocked you didn't get some of the more interesting pages... :o.
Anyway, so I logged onto my account to view addresses available. If you want a shipping address in Austria you have to upgrade your account with a virtual mailbox. It appears that is either 50 US dollars a year or 10 a month. Reading the fine print it seems you can "downgrade" the service if you don't want it anymore, no extra charges.
I guess the 8.50 to set it up + 10 US dollars + cost of the pots needs to be cheaper than the homebrew suppliers.
Hope this helps.
@Will. I have had an account for over a year but only using this month. Spent a lot of money with Stainless Brewing last week.... ::). PM if you want and I'll let you know if it went all ok, I'll forget to post here otherwise.
Quote from: magnethead on March 10, 2014, 06:17:35 PM
Yeah I see that now, Insulation on the walls and everything, That actually looks like the better deal altogether ??? :P
Where do geezers get this insulation stuff for the pots? How would you attach it at all to your own stockpot?
Using a 100 litre one of those bergland pots with a blichmann burner. No problems at all. I havent bothered with insulation this time round as the burner is really powerful & the melting insulation would stink up the place on gas. Looks ugly too. Been there done that etc
Quote from: Greg2013 on March 10, 2014, 03:49:39 PM
The thermo pots on powellbrewing like what that German lad has all have skirts on the bottom ? ;D I have my eye on the 38.5lt model with the ball valve, i think its good value at £100 depending on what the shipping is like of course.
http://powellbrewing.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=67&product_id=92
Think i just found my new mash tun. cheers guys
Quote from: Covey on August 28, 2014, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: Greg2013 on March 10, 2014, 03:49:39 PM
The thermo pots on powellbrewing like what that German lad has all have skirts on the bottom ? ;D I have my eye on the 38.5lt model with the ball valve, i think its good value at £100 depending on what the shipping is like of course.
http://powellbrewing.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=67&product_id=92
Think i just found my new mash tun. cheers guys
I have the 50 liter version as my mashtun; it's really the perfect mashtun. (Didn't come with a tap or ball valve) -I had a 1 1/2" tri clamp welded into the bottom -if you plan on having any welding done the insulation is HIGHLY likely to start on fire so weldless fitting are really a good way to go with these but then you do have the risk that you'll get stuff into the inner insulation layer and never be able to clean it.
The almost 1:1 height to width ratio and insulation makes these things just incredible mashtuns; I used a perforated stainless false bottom and just hold it off of the bottom using 1/2" bolts and nuts and you can recirculation mash through it with almost zero risk of a stuck mash as that 1:1 height to width ratio means that the FB has a high surface area in contact with the grain; a high % open area, staggered hole false bottom makes it even better for recirculated mashing.
-If I ever replace my mashtun, I'm just going to buy a bigger one of these.
Adam
Also, if you ever plan to HERMS mash; these insulated mashtuns (with a good false bottom) are ideal as you can get much more rapid temp rises vs. a keg as it's all insulated.
Focus on efficient heat transfer with the HERMS HEX via recirculating your HLT water, or using a counter-flow chiller for a HEX and you have a HERMS system can do temp steps just as fast (and far more evenly) as a direct fired keg.
The system that I wanted just wasn't possible without these insulated stainless vessels; well, possible, but it never would've been as good. (Kegs are around a 2:1 height to width ratio and the FBs don't take up the full bottom space, you have to recirculate slower to avoid a stuck mash AND you'd have to do some serious insulation to get a keg to hold temps like these things.
-Drill a quick hole in the center of the lid and feed a stainless nipple and a 90 degree elbow into it and you've got a place for a recirculation fitting that can work with the whole thing sealed; I have also attached a $0.44 lawn sprayer with a piece of silicone tubing into the same lid fitting to spray a fine sparge mist and for an ultra-cheap CIP solution that works with a regular homebrew pump. -If you avoid the 90 degree fitting in the lid, you can also put a thermometer through the lid with a compression fitting and keep the whole thing sealed during the entire mash. You also could fit a traditional sparge arm to the fitting.
Adam
Intend just to keep doing BIAB as its the best option i have at the moment but i do like the shiny. What batch sisze to you brew on your 50litre, would a standard grain bill for a 23litre be lost in it
David
If the thermo pot mash tuns arent full they lose a little heat. Not enough or even quick enough for it to effect your mash. When full they hold temp for 90 mins anyway (never mashed past that). Ive an 80 litre one & the most I could fit in it was 19 kg of grain for a 40 litre batch of RIS. That mash gave me 58 litres in the kettle at 1.089 pre boil gravity (1.104 after the boil) Hope this helps