We had a good discussion about holding a club competition.
The points mentioned in no particular order were as follows.
These are not set in stone so please lets discuss, update and launch the best run, smoothest, coolest comp in the NHC.
1. Date: Sometime in August. First w/end of Aug is a holiday w/end. Good idea or bad?
With all the other events happening it is good to get our dates out there
2. Registered with ans run to BJCP guidlines.
3. Venue: Probably the Boro [Will will confirm]
4. Open to all NHC members but NCBers get first chance to register.
Max of 2 entries per person. Entry fee: €2 per entry. 2 plain 500 ml bottles (crown or swing)
Entries MUST be recieved before the day!
5. Limitited to 50 or 60 entries (TBD)
6. Judges: We will want 4 BJCP judges and 4 others to partner.
Already a couple of NCBer want to try their hand at jdging so they would be given priority.
I know we could probably get 8 BJCP judges but we also need to grow the interest.
We will also need stewards about 4 will do it - they will also get BJCP experience points
7. At present entry fee will just cover costs: registering, judges essentials, consumables and the like
Other prizes are TBA
8. Theme: This is where it gets interesting:
It is suggested that theme title is "I can't believe its not lager"
So we would want ales brewed to these styles (using Ale yeast):
Light Hybrids:
6A Cream Ale
6B Blond Ale
6C Kolsch
Maybe also the Dark Hybrids (to reresent a darker lager)
7A, 7B, 7C
These would be entered as the style and judged as such.
The best of show would however be the beer that ticks all the boxes of the themes title
i.e. I can't belive this is not a great lager
Oops forgot 6D!
We had a good discussion about holding a club competition.
The points mentioned in no particular order were as follows.
These are not set in stone so please lets discuss, update and launch the best run, smoothest, coolest comp in the NHC.
1. Date: Sometime in August. First w/end of Aug is a holiday w/end. Good idea or bad?
With all the other events happening it is good to get our dates out there
2. Registered with ans run to BJCP guidlines.
3. Venue: Probably the Boro [Will will confirm]
4. Open to all NHC members but NCBers get first chance to register.
Max of 2 entries per person. Entry fee: €2 per entry. 2 plain 500 ml bottles (crown or swing)
Entries MUST be recieved before the day!
5. Limitited to 50 or 60 entries (TBD)
6. Judges: We will want 4 BJCP judges and 4 others to partner.
Already a couple of NCBer want to try their hand at jdging so they would be given priority.
I know we could probably get 8 BJCP judges but we also need to grow the interest.
We will also need stewards about 4 will do it - they will also get BJCP experience points
7. At present entry fee will just cover costs: registering, judges essentials, consumables and the like
Other prizes are TBA
8. Theme: This is where it gets interesting:
It is suggested that theme title is "I can't believe its not lager"
So we would want ales brewed to these styles (using Ale yeast):
Light Hybrids:
6A Cream Ale
6B Blond Ale
6C Kolsch
6D Am Wheat or Rye
Maybe also the Dark Hybrids (to reresent a darker lager)
7A, 7B, 7C
These would be entered as the style and judged as such.
The best of show would however be the beer that ticks all the boxes of the themes title
i.e. I can't belive this is not a great lager
Count us in ( south Kildare ;D thats right down our street
Nice. I like the sound of this.
Quote from: Will_D on March 12, 2014, 10:02:05 AM
1. Date: Sometime in August. First w/end of Aug is a holiday w/end. Good idea or bad?
With all the other events happening it is good to get our dates out there
Booo there is a competition in August already booked!, although tbh most of us in Dublin Posh will never be able to convince our better halves to run a comp that weekend as we have lives outside NHC so work away if that's your week-end.
Can you leave us the 16th or 23rd?
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,5875.0.html
So as not to clash with our Wikkla cuzzins I would suggest the first or second w/end of August
Cheers Mr D just thinking of our new BJCP judges that want to gobble points.
OK, date is confirmed with the Boro
Saturday 9 th August
One quick question about the categories:
So far we have:
Light Hybrids:
6A Cream Ale
6B Blond Ale
6C Kolsch
6D Am Wheat or Rye
What about the the Dark Hybrids (to reresent a darker lager)
7A, 7B, 7C ?
I will be posting up in "general" the invite to enter so I need the above answered quickly!
What about Baltic porters? >:D
Quote from: mr happy on April 11, 2014, 09:55:51 PM
What about Baltic porters? >:D
Hmmm it's a porter brewed with lager yeast. Bjcp cat. 12C.
Nothing to do with our competition theme...
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Quote from: Will_D on April 11, 2014, 09:38:11 PM
What about the the Amber Hybrids (to reresent a darker lager)
7A, 7B, 7C ?
I will be posting up in "general" the invite to enter so I need the above answered quickly!
BUMP!
What do we think about these?
I think we should include these.
I'd say leave the 7's in. As long as the yeast ferments at the top its in.
I'm ok with 7s in.
I'm not fully fine with 7s :/ Only 7C is brewed with 'Clean, highly attenuative ale yeast', rest 'Usually made with an attenuative lager yeast'
I know that you can brew it with an ale yeast but would stick to the styles that are clearly marked as ales.
So for me just cat. 6.
Thanks Jacob. Agreed!
Just Cat 6 it is
I would tend to agree - dark hybrids are drifting off-track in my book.
Talking to James about the comp and we both think the entry fee should be €5.
Registration is already $30! ( which is about a quarter of 50 entries at €2 a pop)
So any spare cash might be split between prizes the NCB equipment fund.
This then would subsidise NCB entrants!
Any comments?
Sounds fine Will.
I however would disagree that we shouldn't include Cat 7 beers. 7b should be ruled out IMO as the Cal Common yeast is a lager yeast. But with 7a and 7c although they can be brewed as a lager, most homebrewers will use a German Ale or Alt ale yeast. Our rules could state that no lager yeast can be used for these styles.
Also... I may have brewed an alt beer recently ;-)
It may help to fill the spots if there are more styles available for people to brew.
Our comp theme is 'Can't believe it's not a lager'.
Get a glass of anything from cat 7 and you'll know just by looking at it that it's not a lager (Coors/Bud ...).
Which for me a denial of the competiton idea.
Ya, but is a Vienna or a Dunkel or a Schwartz beer not a lager? ;-)
I do know what you mean though :-)
or a bock
I may have picked this up all wrong but is it not brewing a lager recipe and replace the bottom fermenting lager for top fermenting ale yeast? Try pass an ale off as a lager. My interpretation of " I can't believe it's not a lager " would be only styles that actually are lagers would be included and these beers must be brewed with an ale yeast. So styles 1-6 and 12c Baltic porter.
The entered beers are then judged under the style guidelines of "lager" they are entered as.
Lads we all know how to brew lagerish beer using ale yeast but then what's the point in registering the event with BJCP?
Quote from: Jacob on April 16, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
Our comp theme is 'Can't believe it's not a lager'.
Get a glass of anything from cat 7 and you'll know just by looking at it that it's not a lager (Coors/Bud ...).
Lagers have different appearances but they are still lagers.
Think of it like this. A BJCP judge is presented with a beer in category 2B. Bohemian Pilsener. The beer is brewed with Nottingham yeast at 10c. Its crystal clear, crisp malty beer with soft and rounded bitterness and spicy flavor from Saaz hops.
The judge scores the beer and then says to him/herself . Jasus I Can't believe it's not a lager.
This would be my take on the competition rather than a well made cream or blonde ale that may or may not be brewed with a lager yeast depending on the brewery.
Quote from: Jacob on April 16, 2014, 03:29:32 PM
Lads we all know how to brew lagerish beer using ale yeast but then what's the point in registering the event with BJCP?
Judging points
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Quote from: nigel_c on April 16, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 16, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
Our comp theme is 'Can't believe it's not a lager'.
Get a glass of anything from cat 7 and you'll know just by looking at it that it's not a lager (Coors/Bud ...).
Lagers have different appearances but they are still lagers.
Think of it like this. A BJCP judge is presented with a beer in category 2B. Bohemian Pilsener. The beer is brewed with Nottingham yeast at 10c. Its crystal clear, crisp malty beer with soft and rounded bitterness and spicy flavor from Saaz hops.
The judge scores the beer and then says to him/herself . Jasus I Can't believe it's not a lager.
This would be my take on the competition rather than a well made cream or blonde ale that may or may not be brewed with a lager yeast depending on the brewery.
I'm fine with that Nigel. As long as it will look like lager (SRM up to 7,8) :D
What other NCB members think about it?
I thought most of this had been agreed at the March meeting.
Reason for BJCP is to get some points for the judges who have sat the tasting exam and also as expressed at that meeting for some "new blood" to experience tasting/exams to see if they enjoy it and want to do the next course.
The cat was agreed to be Cat 6.
I confused the system by mentioning Cat 7!
So "I can't believe its not Lager" is cat 6
But its quite easy to believe it's not a lager when the category is a cream ale, blonde ale, kolsch or american wheat or rye.
I'd like to hear from more members on this because the numbers at the last meeting were low and think some people missed out on exactly what the competition is. If everyone is happy to just brew to the 6's I'll happily go along but if people want all the lager styles open we should reconsider the brief.
Ok guys, we are registered!
We are competition number 203374.
@CH: Did not have to specify any styles, limitatations etc. Mainly just the comp name "ICBINL" and the organiser contact details.
Onwards and upwards
I agree with nigels point. But we were also talking about a summer ale comp. Getting into the darkerside not so summery me thinks.
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Just to be clear our ICBINL comp is for Category 6. We discussed this in March when there was a large turnout.
April meet just fixed the date.
The summer beer comp is Rossa's lawnmower comp.
And don't forget the Garden County's Red ale comp.
We need some more medals as that "Liffey Lot" are loosing the run of themselves!
So basically
Its a cat 6 competition - judged to cat 6 guidelines.
That right ?
Apologies if Im sounding a bit dense.
Just bumping this up.
Remember that there will be one collection of beers for both our NCB comp and CHs' Red ales. So it simplifies the logistics.
Registration opens July 1st for BOTH competitions! SO you can enter either comp or both.
As June is just round the corner I will be starting an interest thread so John and ourselves get some idea of what to expect!
Just talking with Ciderhead here in Kildare today as he delivered my gas tanks back a lot heavier than they left :D thanks cider :)
We will have some beers for all the comps :)
Quote from: brenmurph on May 23, 2014, 10:21:00 PM
We will have some beers for all the comps :)
Well to quote the Dragons "I'm out if He's in"
Seriously tho' Bren, "Let the games begin"
So to the rest of us NCBers: We need to up our game if Masher Murph is entering
Dats right will...yis will... we have been upping our game too. Some special yeasts, our own hops, gordon strongs advanced brewin book, another 10 allgrains in past three weeks and lots of tastin sessions...oh and our low alccexperiments helping to get good favour from inimal mat
just going through the press the other day and i might have something to enter for a laugh.
REMINDER:
The entry process for both the GCB and the NCB comps will open on the 1st of July