Following is the agenda more-or-less for the day as emailed to Judges...
9.00 - Doors open
9.30 - Stewards Briefing
10.00 - Check in: Judging will commence shortly after. One judge per team (of two) will be asked to take the lead within their team and may be asked to judge the mini-BOS depending on the size of the flight (a group of entries to be judged in one sitting). Most flights are 10-12 beers, any judges who finish all their flight may be asked, or may volunteer to join other flights containing other styles to make up teams of three.
13.00 - Lunch will be provided.
14:00 - mini-BOS to decide 1-2-3 in each category (BOS- Best of Show or medal deciding rounds).
14:30 - The Barrel Competition
15:00 - BOS to decide overall winning beer.
16:30-17:00 Awards
Doors open to the Public at 3pm
Any Questions please post here.
Thanks,
John
What time is well open to public?
Can I see beer being judged?
Any thoughts on how long BOS will take?
:)
What time do stewards need to be there?
930 or before Garry
Quote from: CH on March 18, 2014, 03:19:39 PM
What time is well open to public?
Can I see beer being judged?
Any thoughts on how long BOS will take?
:)
It's open to public at 3 sorry not beforehand for anyone else apart from Stewards and Judges
We are trying to have some judging done downstairs but this may not be possible.
BOS will take time as there is a lot of them!!
Announcements of all winners targeted to be done at 5 plus of minus 30 minutes depending on how morning judging goes.
Great stuff John - nice to see a schedule !
This is rough, these times may slip!
I'll be opening up before 9 so things should run smoothly in that regard :)
Quote from: johnrm on March 18, 2014, 03:17:21 PM
Following is the agenda more-or-less for the day as emailed to Judges...
John, to date ( 22:00) no email recieved.
I see the schedule - no problems there but what cats am I judging?
Need to sort the auld bed time books!
"Noddy does Toyland" has to be left till next week!!
Unfortunately I won't be able to come down to Cork today for the judging. I had an incident with the motorbike on Thursday night; I thought the bike was more damaged than me. However, for the past few hours my back has swollen, and it's really killing me (A&E later if there's no improvement). I really don't feel I'm up to the job, let alone the journey down. :(
So sorry about this guys, and I hope you have a great day.
Ha! I'm taking the kids to ballet then to hockey then back to ballet then on to a birthday party in the swimming pool with 20 eight year olds. I feel sorry for you guys who have to drink beer all day.......
Jeez Dunkel, hope you feel better soon. Bloody mopeds!
Good luck today everyone. I spent the money I was going to bribe you with on a curry last night, so I guess I'll have to rely on my skill as a brewer. Shit.
Have fun today everyone! Looks like things are well under way. Wish I could have been there, but I have domestic matters to attend to, similar to Chris.. :-\
I'll console myself later with a cheeky bottle of something. >:D
Enjoy!!
36 for my red my best score. Woohoo I'm over the moon
Quote from: Chris on March 22, 2014, 04:09:47 PM
36 for my red my best score. Woohoo I'm over the moon
Did you get your score sheet in person or are they posted online somewhere?
Adam
Log into the site where you registered and your scores are there
The scoresheets will also be posted back to everyone that didnt pick them up in person
Quote from: biertourist on March 23, 2014, 02:17:27 AM
Quote from: Chris on March 22, 2014, 04:09:47 PM
36 for my red my best score. Woohoo I'm over the moon
Did you get your score sheet in person or are they posted online somewhere?
Adam
Sorry Adam - they are mostly being posted - however - I doubt yours will wont make it to the US with a single stamp
- I'll try to get it pulled and get it scanned for ya.
Quote from: Chris on March 23, 2014, 08:11:57 AM
Log into the site where you registered and your scores are there
:-[
I don't know where the site is... The only way I knew how to get there was via the link on the National Home Brew Club landing page... Anyone have the link handy?
Adam
Quote from: Tube on March 24, 2014, 05:21:37 PM
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/competition/
Thanks!
adam
Quote from: Partridge9 on March 24, 2014, 01:53:31 PM
Quote from: biertourist on March 23, 2014, 02:17:27 AM
Quote from: Chris on March 22, 2014, 04:09:47 PM
36 for my red my best score. Woohoo I'm over the moon
Did you get your score sheet in person or are they posted online somewhere?
Adam
Sorry Adam - they are mostly being posted - however - I doubt yours will wont make it to the US with a single stamp
- I'll try to get it pulled and get it scanned for ya.
No worries. I'd appreciate that but I realize I'm a special snowflake and entering from Seattle makes me a giant pain.
Adam
Hi Adam
Hope all is well viz.a.viz. mudslides. ???
I got a 45 for 14c and didn't place. Must have been some hi scores that day.
A high score does not automatically generate a medal as Alain will also testify.
Rossa scored very high on one cat and had the highest score by a country mile but in BOS for cat came 3rd :(
I expect the very wide range of variation in scores is due to lack of experience of the judges. I presume this will level out as people get more judging under their belts.
I think it's more to do with the fact that some come out of the blocks very fast and depending on whether the beers are good or shite get it wrong initially or at the end.
We had a set of judges, won't say who or where who wanted to do the whole flight again!! These are the problems dealing with humans and not robots ;)
I believe this endeavour deserves our genuine appreciation.
It takes years tho to be fully qualified/experienced judge.
Lets hope the problems are going to be few along the way.
When you are judging beers a few things may happen:
1. The first couple of beers are poor - this is no problem
2. The first couple of beers are mid range - again not too much of a problem
3. The first beer is really very good (in your opinion so you give it 40 - 42), some time later you get some much better beers so these have to be marked higher than the first (43 to even 47). Now its unlikely that these are truly 47's but its the only way to make sure they get their true placings.
In case number 3 it would be beneficial to moderate the scores on a sliding scale so that the 47s would become 42 or so (where they deserve to be) but the low 30s would drop only say 1 point, and the 20s and 13s would not be affected.
Of course this really doesn't matter as if there is only one flight then no problems!
If multi flight/multi judged then the "Best-of-Category" should even out the playing field.
Some judges are harsher that others!!
So don't read too much into the numbers
Totally agree with many of the previous comments; highest scores dont necessarily win ( think back to summer sessions 46 & 47 got nowhere)and willD & CH summed up the point well well. The porters I judged in cork ( my name is on them all) started off in the early 30's and as the flight when on the following beers were not as good as the first couple so had to be marked lower obviiously. Unfortunatly none of the porters scored 45's and 46's but thats irrelevant as medals were still awarded for the best ones, however the porters were a close contest with just a couple scored very low due to significant flaws ( 3 of them Gushed really badly).
So the porters went to BOS play off and while we could not seperate 1st or 2nd so we had to get Tom the BJCP chief to decide the winner of this category.
its a terrible job really, of course we would love to score everyone 49 but we have to follow bjcp guidelines and for example the beer may be great when u tasted it after a couple weeks in the bottle but when its opened at the competition and foams all over the place you have to be docked down for this and in addition its going to bring up yeast which significantly alters the flavour and aroma. Also the beer may be fairly good when you send it off but in the meantime an infection may show its ugly head between the time its judged and the time its entered, in addition the bottle you send in may or may not be the same as the bottle you tasted yourself. I believe they were stored pretty cold and this in itself can alter the flavour of your beer. In addition hops diminish with time ( even a few weeks) and the beer may be off balance due to this, just as yeast goes off with age (in the bottle)and this may affect the flavour negatively
So like me if any of your beers scored less than expected, please dont be too critical of the judges or the judging process or admin, everyone is doing their best to make it a great event and its not easy
I done really well at the competition, however I entered 10 beers and had some were not up to speed, a fairly boring finish on an ESB, a mis-categorised schwartz, a marzen a bit off style and a lager I expected to do very well didnt.
My point is that all my beers I expected to do well ( as many people hope) but 4 failed.....we can take the feedback and work with it to improve for next year :)
And lads watch the carbonation levels ( gushers are hard to score well) ;)
Ive made a porter tonight based on all the beers I tasted on last saturday and the aim was to work on the flaws we found and the improvements needed to make a truly great beer, thats what we do best...We keep trying and improving to be better the next time
Woo Hoo score sheets just arrived.
Received score sheets. Thanks!
It would be really interesting to find out what the beers were that placed in the speciality category, as well as the fruit and veg ones if people would be up for posting.
Cheers
Quote from: ZombieHoppingTime on April 01, 2014, 02:36:41 PM
Received score sheets. Thanks!
It would be really interesting to find out what the beers were that placed in the speciality category, as well as the fruit and veg ones if people would be up for posting.
Cheers
I got a bronze in it for a chocolate coffee oatmeal stout :)
Quote from: Simon on April 01, 2014, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: ZombieHoppingTime on April 01, 2014, 02:36:41 PM
Received score sheets. Thanks!
It would be really interesting to find out what the beers were that placed in the speciality category, as well as the fruit and veg ones if people would be up for posting.
Cheers
I got a bronze in it for a chocolate coffee oatmeal stout :)
How many points? :)
Quote from: Simon on April 01, 2014, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: ZombieHoppingTime on April 01, 2014, 02:36:41 PM
Received score sheets. Thanks!
It would be really interesting to find out what the beers were that placed in the speciality category, as well as the fruit and veg ones if people would be up for posting.
Cheers
I got a bronze in it for a chocolate coffee oatmeal stout :)
Class!
42 :)