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Title: electric element regulator
Post by: LordEoin on March 20, 2014, 01:47:23 AM
Was browsing fleabay for a regulator and saw THIS (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Adjustable-3800W-AC-0-220V-Voltage-Regulator-Dimming-Light-Lamps-Speed-Control-/331012329594?)
I don't see any problem in using it as a dimmer for an argos kettle element.
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: RichC on March 20, 2014, 04:44:28 AM
I've used one with my buffalo in the past. I'm now using it as a speed controller for an angle grinder. Its perfect and dirt cheap.

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Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Shanna on March 20, 2014, 07:07:45 AM
Hi Lord Erin

I use two of these to control the rolling boil in my boil kettle where I have 2 * 2.4kw heating elements. There was a prior thread discussing these exact things. See the following for details.

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/forum/index.php/topic,176.msg32540/topicseen.html#msg32540

I had an electrician mount them side by side in a large junction box. They are used to control the power being fed to a pair of sockets where the heating elements are plugged in.

Shanna
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Garry on March 20, 2014, 07:27:39 AM
Eoin, I have one one those gathering dust in the garage. I can give out to you Saturday?
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: LordEoin on March 20, 2014, 10:09:33 AM
oops, too late. already ordered 2  ;D
you've a lot of stuff in that shed Garry!

@shanna - cheers for the link,  missed it. looks like the exact same one i found. great! we can't all be wrong. but now i want solid state relays too..
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: johnrm on March 20, 2014, 09:50:29 PM
@Garry, I have some dust in need of gathering.
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: LordEoin on March 20, 2014, 10:01:55 PM
I'll borrow the spare dust at some point garry  :D
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Garry on March 20, 2014, 10:22:45 PM
I'll bring it Saturday, ye can fight over it  :P
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: johnrm on March 20, 2014, 10:28:41 PM
I've more dust than LE. It will feel more at home in my shed.
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: LordEoin on March 20, 2014, 10:33:10 PM
I meant that I'll borrow some of the spare dust you get off john. But only if there's enough.
sorry to disappoint
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Taf on March 21, 2014, 07:04:34 AM
A feck it, as I just got rid of a load of dust.
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: LordEoin on March 21, 2014, 11:27:36 AM
always a feast or a famine
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: LordEoin on March 24, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
The live wire connects in and out through the 2 connectors, right?
Does it matter which way?

Like this?
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: LordEoin on March 24, 2014, 07:47:59 PM
any idea which connector is input and output?
For grounding the heatsink, I suppose just run a wire to the lead's ground wire? (like in the updated attachment above)
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: johnrm on March 24, 2014, 07:56:39 PM
Did it not come with instructions?
I'd ask for your money back.  :-*
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Rats on March 24, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: LordEoin on March 24, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
Does it matter which way?

No it's AC you using if it was DC yes it would matter

Sent from the thingy in my hand.

Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Garry on March 24, 2014, 08:33:31 PM
Quote from: ratsathome on March 24, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
No it's AC you using if it was DC yes it would matter

I was thinking the same. AC shouldn't matter?

It didn't come with instructions  I'm afraid :( I think it's a Chinese government conspiracy to kill us all. They send us enough cheap electronic components with no instructions and we'll electrocute ourselves and family's. Jim Corr has a great website, you should check it out  :P

Back on topic, I didn't realise you'd have to earth the heatsink. I've got an SSR relay with an exposed heatsink, should this be earthed? 
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: LordEoin on March 24, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
Rightio, i kinda figured it wouldn't matter when there were no markings, but wanted to check it out.
Spent the day playing with the SSR instead, but will mess with this regulator during the week.
Christ Garry, you weren't joking about the heat off those SSRs...
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: hassettbrew on April 18, 2015, 11:14:56 PM
Lordeoin just wondering how this worked out for you, I installed one other day and having trouble with overheating the unit and stopping altogether. :(
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: johnrm on April 19, 2015, 12:06:54 AM
Describe your setup and exactly what happens. How is it overheating?
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Will_D on April 19, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
YES it does matter how you connect these. See the photo in the first page of this.

It is not a light bulb or an element. The electronics may be sensitive as to which is feed and which is load.

The terminal nearest the heat sink should have either 220 or a wavy line (symbol for ac) printed in white on the pcb.

This (as pictured) is live in, second terminal is live out and do make sure to earth the heat sink!
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: hassettbrew on April 19, 2015, 09:40:26 PM
Here is how I wired up my regulator.  It's smells badly when it running. It reaches boiling with the dial turned just over half way. Then stops working, as in keeps boiling and not letting me turn down the boil. By this stage it's very hot. When I turn the power supply off for about ten minutes it will work again, ie I can turn heat up or down. There was no mention of earthing the heatsink with the instructions
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Will_D on April 19, 2015, 09:55:39 PM
Well its obviously a totally different thing to the 3.6 kW dimmer mentioned so far!!
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: hassettbrew on April 19, 2015, 10:38:04 PM
heres a link to the one I purchased.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/201326501530?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Title: Re: electric element regulator
Post by: Sorcerers Apprentice on April 20, 2015, 07:44:26 AM
It says in the item description that you may need to add a cooling fan to help with heat dissipation from the heat sink. Depending on the wattage of your element, this is most probably the problem. Either that or attach it to a larger heat sink