There is not a lot of activity in this forum, despite some recent postings, in the interests of cleaning up the forum it will be archived shortly, unless it justifies it's existence which it is not doing at present.
Don't you think that any members/users in the South-East are entitled to a forum even if they choose not to make use of it much? Also I am pretty sure that people check in even if they don't post, so new users/potential members in SE should have a place to post to make contact.
We are a small group and not all tech savvy so we use more direct lines of communication.
This is my personal opinion and I in no way purport to represent the views of any other brewer/s
Quote from: Lugh on May 05, 2014, 08:18:51 AM
We are a small group and not all tech savvy so we use more direct lines of communication.
So you don't use the forum then?
Missed op this came up last year also for chaps in SE,
The forum is there to serve the members.
By deleting groups for non use of their section of the forum you are basically saying you don't want them in the NHC, not very inclusive that :(
Not at all, but forums grow and need to be backed up and maintained. If people locally are using other methods of communication then what use is a sub-forum that is getting no use? At the end of the day it's also an invitation to use or lose the sub-forum, that part is clear right?
Where would new members from that neck of the woods go if we got rid of it? Is it better to have it in the hope it might be used or are we alienating them by deleting it?
Just some thoughts.
Quote from: CH on May 05, 2014, 10:10:31 AM
By deleting groups for non use of their section of the forum you are basically saying you don't want them in the NHC, not very inclusive that :(
I have to say i agree with CH on this one, it could give that impression and to be honest it does a little to me. Use it or lose it attitude does not take into account the size or lack thereof of the SE "club" and the spread or ability to interact of the individual members. And keeping it tidy does not really jive either as if the SE "club" is inactive it can't be generating extra work for the admins so where is the tidying necessary ? ???
Where do other potential new SE members go now to interact on the site ? :(
If you wanted more activity on the SE "club" section then someone on the committee should have chased it up instead of leaving it flounder IMHO, i couldn't because i had no way of getting to and fro anyway, and not being omnipotent i could not be all places at once, so where were the others chasing this up ? I did post but yes i did stop because i was getting no replies. Guys if it isn't active why not just leave it be ? :(
I don't know guys it just seems a bit like throwing the baby out with the bathwater IMHO and does not feel very welcoming IMHO. ;D
While I'm generally pretty militant about keeping things clean and limiting the number of forums, the fact that its a sub form doesn't really make much of a difference in terms of screen real estate by removing it.
Also would it serve as a landing page for new members from that area that might like access to the direct line of communications that those members currently use?
Quote from: shiny on May 05, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
While I'm generally pretty militant about keeping things clean and limiting the number of forums, the fact that its a sub form doesn't really make much of a difference in terms of screen real estate by removing it.
Also would it serve as a landing page for new members from that area that might like access to the direct line of communications that those members currently use?
+1 ;D
We discussed something similar yesterday in the AGM about how many active forum users we have.
Counting their posts is NOT the way to do it.
Have a look at the viewing stats for members and in this case the local club fora!
A lot of newbies read posts for about 6 months before posting!
We get posts from them saying "Hi, have been reading the posts for ages and not its time to introduce myself and ask questions and become more acrive!
Please leave the sub forums alone.
I had suggested a cull on inactive users and raised this at the AGM.
On reflection, I believe it is unnecessary
That said, when counting the number of 'Active' users, I believe a user who has not logged in for x months should be regarded as inactive for statistical purposes, but no action taken.
Edited to remove ambiguity
what benefit would culling either inactive groups or users provide?
What benefit would culling inactive groups or users provide?
Also. What is being considered inactive? This section was last posted in 5 days ago.
Hi all
I would like to know what Eoin would consider as "justification" and how he came up with it ?
Quote from: Tucan on May 06, 2014, 08:56:09 PM
Hi all
I would like to know what Eoin would consider as "justification" and how he came up with it ?
I didn't come up with it, I announced it. It was going to be done and I said, not without a chance at reviving them so at least I'll put a notice up. Justification would be usage more than every six months. No activity for six months suggests something is not being used.
I'm not having a go at you Eoin but not counting this subject their have been six subjects and twelve replies in the last six months.
I know this low activity but it's certainly not "No activity".
Also would like to know what the quota per month is ?
Relevance ?
Or are you suggesting that we have to disband if we haven't ?
The question is an honest one and not a get at anyone :). The only reason for keeping in contact with fellow home brewers is so if they themselves are visiting the area of the Sunny south East they might like to drop in and have a pint and say hello. :) :)
Fair enough.
Because of the geographical spread of the SE homebrewers we haven't been able to get together for our usual meet up in the Revuliton bar since November.
We always post here if a meeting is going ahead just in case there's anyone new or in the area interested.
We're not far off you in terms of logistics in Cork, we're in the biggest county in the country which makes for some long dry trips, but we manage!
Quote from: johnrm on May 06, 2014, 11:38:17 PM
We're not far off you in terms of logistics in Cork, we're in the biggest county in the country which makes for some long dry trips, but we manage!
How many members are in Cork compared to SE though ? I doubt many clubs here are as spread out across their entire membership as we are but not sure on this. While i am all for tidying things up if any club is "less active" then what harm would it do to just leave it be ? If the SE section is done away with what visible advantage is that going to be to the NHC forums ? It should be obvious to all though what disadvantage it would be to us in SE. ;D
I know i have blown hot and cold on this in the past but any potential new member from SE is not going to be encouraged to participate if there is no SE section, the SE does not need to be a "club" but it should still have a voice, otherwise why are we members ? ;)
Don't get me wrong, logistics is only one part of it.
Based on forum posts alone it does seem quiet in the SE. About a year ago I was trying to get to a meet that never happened.
SE bods obviously frequent the forum and have requested that it stay.
If you request it to stay, then it should stay, but you should probably post more. I think it's a building block and may be an open door for others.
As soon as your communication goes off forum, into texting or whatever, then the door is closed.
How about turning this around...
What do you think the NHC should do for you?
Without visibility on here, no one knows what is going on.
Personally I'd say leave it alone, however to SE maybe it would recruit more local people ( who are most likely looking in but not posting) if the SE section is busier re posts and banter.
I remember South Kildare was in question at one stage a long time ago and was mention that it should be part of Liffey Brewers, as it stands and has stood we are the busiest in the country I'm confident of that, who else has had 2 to 3 brewdays a week? And recruited dozens of new members?
So Kildare Started very small and very quiet on the forum ( still dont like forum, much happier wit people on our brewdays) but we are extremly proactive.
As I say SE may benefit themselves by getting some banter going even if its just a post per person per day on their own section and it may encourge more local members and who knows, this time next year ye may be having brewdays every wednesday and saturday :) :)
+1
On another note, the same notice was put up in two other sub-forums, there has been one comment on one of them where the party agreed that it was probably a good idea, in the other case it appears as if nobody has even noticed.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, did it make a sound?
As there has been some discussion on this one, this one should probably stay, but a bit more effort to use the resources provided would be appreciated.
Unstickying.
Quote from: johnrm on May 07, 2014, 12:33:47 AM
As soon as your communication goes off forum, into texting or whatever, then the door is closed.
In Wicklow 95% of our communication is off forum because 40% of our members are either not NHC or even current members that don't bother going on the forum but do read emails. We still have a presence just not everything gets discussed on forum, after speaking to several SE members I know its the same. These are paid up members and have every right to be here and really shouldn't have posting quotas.
Liffey have their own private area and thats cool to and NCB is the complete opposite and probably and fair play to them for being the best forum participant and so open with all their club activity from their local members.
Local clubs are the future for the NHC and more and more conversations will be on a local off forum level by txt or email.
Culling or threatening to cull forums is a bit heavy handed and folks natural response to that approach is to give the NHC 2 fingers and do their own thing.
I don't go for the tidying up rationale either as I can't see how its making that section anymore complicated, if anything it shows outside world NHC large national presence, and the "use it or lose it" will only lose paying members inmho.
Quote from: CH on May 07, 2014, 11:53:10 AM
Culling or threatening to cull forums is a bit heavy handed and folks natural response to that approach is to give the NHC 2 fingers and do their own thing.
Aren't those users already showing the NHC the two fingers by half-participating? Just putting it out there.
-edit - I'm considering the matter on the forum closed for now anyway, following on from the consensus that this should remain, so these extra discussions are now moot to some extent.
Locking thread as discussion has run it's course and the thread is unstickied, it'll be interesting to see does the thread now slip down the forum as one would expect as new posts come in. I'd suggest that this is revisited in 6 months.