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Title: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 01, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
44 bottles done at last. OG was 1.040 FG was 1.020.
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Shanna on February 01, 2013, 07:48:46 PM
Hi Deadman

That final gravity sounds a bit high. What did the kit instructions suggest should be the final gravity?

Declan
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Shanna on February 01, 2013, 07:53:21 PM
According to this link.your beer will be below 3%

http://www.brewersfriend.com/abv-calculator/

Declan
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Ciderhead on February 01, 2013, 07:53:37 PM
You should have finished out at 1.010 to 1.012 with coopers yeast, it stalled because it was too cold :(
Did you measure same gravity for three days in sucession?
You have potential bottle bombs if its not finished
You have them in oxbar bottles right? they will go hard as a rock and little or no booze in them :)

If it tasted v sweet before your primed with coopers drops or sugar definately not finished fermenting :(
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Damo on February 01, 2013, 09:11:15 PM
As Tube says!!

After 3 days fully release the caps and then on day 6, after that I'd give them another 7 days in warmth.

They will be fine, you'll just end up with a lot of trub in the bottle. again, not a problem

Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: LordEoin on February 01, 2013, 09:57:25 PM
I thought the FG was 1.011 like here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ZPuSTRCXs&feature=player_detailpage#t=457s)?

you'll be fine if you keep releasing pressure like the others say :)
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 02, 2013, 10:13:27 AM
They are in glass bottles, I couldn't get the oxbar ones I wanted. They are sitting at 10 c with one coppers drop in each 500 ml. I did not want to chance any more tbh. Ferment defo stuck but it'd been nearly 4 weeks so not waiting any longer. It was 1.020 two weeks ago as well and I stuck the leccy blanket around it but the gf stayed put.

Indeed I have potential bottle bombs on my hands. What can I do? I couldn't leave it any longer. Defo sweet taste from it,heavy hint of treacle.
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Damo on February 02, 2013, 10:45:29 AM
Hi Deadman

I think temperature is the crux of your brewing!

You really need to either move your brewing to somewhere a little warmer! or put some sort of heating into your brew room.  looking at your video I have to ask is your whole house that cold? It cant be?

p.s.

I have some pet's if you want them

Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: LordEoin on February 02, 2013, 12:12:00 PM
Aye, it's the same yeast so it needs the same temperatures, otherwise it just stays stuck. That's why it is so important to achieve the FG in your FV.

During fermentation your main concern is the yeast turning the sugar into alcohol and the carbon dioxide is all wasted out of the airlock, but once bottled the yeast's job is to create gas in the confined bottle space so that the liquid soaks it up and becomes carbonated.
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Ciderhead on February 02, 2013, 12:29:49 PM
QuoteThey are in glass bottles, I couldn't get the oxbar ones I wanted. They are sitting at 10 c with one coppers drop in each 500 ml. I did not want to chance any more tbh. Ferment defo stuck but it'd been nearly 4 weeks so not waiting any longer. It was 1.020 two weeks ago as well and I stuck the leccy blanket around it but the gf stayed put.

Indeed I have potential bottle bombs on my hands. What can I do? I couldn't leave it any longer. Defo sweet taste from it,heavy hint of treacle.

I feel so sorry for you but Jesus I wish you would listen to us on this forum :(
Ok you have my sincerest sympathies, but this one is close to fooked now.
Uncap them barely so lids still on move them to an area which is min 20-24 degrees for 7 days, this will gerenerate enough C02 to keep them sterile but also finish fermenting and measure gravity, if its 1010 or below drop another carbonation drop and reseal

Another idea for heating is is in a box with old (not new LED no heat)christmas lights around them as long as they are brown bottles!

If that doesn't work for you I am sending in the ISPCB (beers)

If you leave as is, yeast is still dormant, as soon as temperature comes up in Spring you will get these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Kuv8F4uORA8&feature=endscreen

or I'd be afraid they would explode in handling or around the house  :(
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 02, 2013, 02:18:22 PM
Thanks ciderhead but where exactly on this point did i not listen?  My house is fooking freezing,the whole house is 10-12 c every day all day and lower at night. There is no heating option so thats out. No point in moving them to another room for the same reason, all rooms same temp if not colder. I tried to keep temp up with the leccy blanket but obviously it did no good.  :'(

Brew belts not an option right now i have too many other things to get ;) I have a few 5lt water containers and if i can get a few more i may transfer the stout into them for safety reasons. so long as i can still drink it its not a totaly lost cause.
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Ciderhead on February 02, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
I am more frustrated for you considering the amount of effort you put into this rather than trying to lecture you.
find a cupboard or a big cardboard box put your electric blanket on/in, please don't spill anything. put your beer in. After 5-6 hours measure ambient temp in cupboard.
Next payday 2 brew belts
There is a forecast for snow next week.
You wont be able to brew at 10-12 degrees :(
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 02, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
With the laptop going tits up it has put a strain on funds is all. I am a little cranky sorry. I don't want to be stuck doing lagers forever. What would happen if I used a lager yeast on another coopers stout?
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Ciderhead on February 03, 2013, 12:21:24 AM
QuoteWith the laptop going tits up it has put a strain on funds is all. I am a little cranky sorry. I don't want to be stuck doing lagers forever. What would happen if I used a lagered yeast on another coopers stout?

Don't, ambient in my garage is 4 meaning I have to have the heater switched on in my fridge to ferment a lager, just wait for brew belts you won't regret it and just get more frustrated attempting and failing workarounds :(
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 05, 2013, 11:28:24 AM
Yes I have a hotpress but the fb will not fit betrween shelves. I realise that this is close to fooled now so I am thinking of chucking the lot back into an fb and adding some yeast energizer and turbo yeast just to ferment everything out. Then bottle again as normal. Not ideal but i have nothinng to loose and it would be safer this way,no bottle bombs. Brewing on hold for now until i can get heating fb sorted, computer takes priority for now.

I was thinking of building some sort of insulated hot box specifically for the 33lt fb,kinda like their own little hot press?
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Ciderhead on February 05, 2013, 11:40:16 AM
The dedicated fermenting cupboard is a great idea or an old defunct fridge works well too.

Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 09, 2013, 06:56:31 PM
I bit the bullet and purchased a fermwrap heater from homebrewcompany. On 23 litres of water it is holding  20/19/15 Celsius top/middle/bottom. Now I must come up with a way of heating bottles.
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Ciderhead on February 09, 2013, 07:33:27 PM
QuoteI bit the bullet and purchased a fermwrap heater from homebrewcompany. On 23 litres of water it is holding  20/19/15 Celsius top/middle/bottom. Now I must come up with a way of heating bottles.


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Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: LordEoin on February 09, 2013, 08:30:40 PM
I was about to suggest the coopers pilsener kit with S23 yeast for brewing at about 12C, but now that you've got temperature control the world's your oyster :)

If your stout doesn't jump back into life with the warmer temperatures, text me your address and I'll post you up another pack of yeast to pitch. That should sort it out and get the whole thing moving along nicely again.

First though, pour yourself a glass of the wort and smell and taste it to see if it's still good.
It should smell and taste like warm, flat, sweet stout.
If it does, you should still be good  to finish up that brew  :)
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 11, 2013, 02:40:34 PM
Tis in the bottles me lud and yes it did taste like sweet flat stout before I.bottled it. I know I might have bottle bombs on my hands but I will have to risk it now. I have that shocktop on now since this morning so fermwrap is working on that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: LordEoin on February 12, 2013, 03:40:00 AM
Sorry, i thought you poured it all back into the FV  to finish.
Best of luck with this brew, it should be a lot easier with the new temperature control
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Robrew on February 13, 2013, 08:48:18 PM
so my bottle bomb friend any casualties? :P,  have ya released gas or are you just going to leave them?
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 13, 2013, 11:14:12 PM
Robrew m8 they are in crown cap glass bottles so i can't release gas. No casualties so far, they are in a heated insulated box at around 18c with a week now and so far so good. ;D
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Damo on February 13, 2013, 11:35:47 PM
Hey

You might be ok :)

I'd say they'll be be a little over carbed but who cares!!!
Give them another week in your box and then into cold storage (your brew room) for a couple of weeks.
I hope you like extra cold stout ;)
Make sure chill right down to prevent gushers

Best of luck

Glad to see you have your temp control sorted
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Robrew on February 13, 2013, 11:36:37 PM
ah that sounds good man, hopefully your in the all clear with them :P
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Ciderhead on February 13, 2013, 11:38:17 PM
QuoteRobrew m8 they are in crown cap glass bottles so i can't release gas. No casualties so far, they are in a heated insulated box at around 18c with a week now and so far so good. ;D

Crank one in a week, probably best done outside, wear gloves a hard hat 10mm of carbon fibre bullet proof clothing , oh and bring some wipes  ;D
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 14, 2013, 11:36:34 AM
Well i cracked one last night and flat as a pancake so i reckon this batch is a bust. Will leave it another couple of weeks to be sure but if after that it isnt carbing i reckon whats the point of keeping it?
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: newToBrew on February 14, 2013, 03:59:07 PM
have you a soda stream ? - if so -  carb as you go !!!
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: DEMPSEY on February 15, 2013, 01:26:47 PM
That will produce cream stout :-[. If you are going to try it make sure the beer is 2C first and do it outside :)
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 16, 2013, 11:21:47 AM
Have the bottles in a heat box and hoping for the best, not gonna waste any more time on this now, have my shocktop on and looking good so learn from mistakes and all that.
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Blueshed on February 16, 2013, 12:47:30 PM
thats what life is about my friend, learning from mistakes and not doing them again.
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: LordEoin on February 17, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
Don't dump it though, just leave it aside and forget about it.
It might be an amazing beer in the end  :)
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: newToBrew on February 19, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
hey deadman - off topic - but are you sorted for bottles ?? I might have some goin free shortly
Title: Re: Coopers Irish Stout Bottled.
Post by: Greg2013 on February 22, 2013, 05:59:29 PM
Pm sent newtobrew ;D