Would there be interest in doing a club buy on one of these Off Flavor sample kits for meets? It's $250 but if there's enough interest ths cost could be spread to a few quid per person:
http://www.siebelinstitute.com/products-a-books/sensory-training-kits?page=shop.product_details&category_id=6&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=18 (http://www.siebelinstitute.com/products-a-books/sensory-training-kits?page=shop.product_details&category_id=6&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=18)
Is mise interested :)
I think there may be some sort of discount for bjcp.
I'd be interested as well.
looking forward to a drop of Butyricweiser, or Cardlingboard, Metalliller, Horseken.
Let's get a list going for Cork...
1. LordEoin
2. Garry
3. Dr. Horrible
4. Johnrm
Let's get a list going for Cork...
1. LordEoin
2. Garry
3. Dr. Horrible
4. Johnrm
5. Dara
1. LordEoin
2. Garry
3. Dr. Horrible
4. Johnrm
5. Dara
6. mr hoppy
Need to think about a venue for this as well. I don't think it's going to work at a regular meet up.
Just a suggestion:
These kits are quite expensive. Each vial iirc makes up 1 litre of doctored beer.
Far too much for a small group of you.
What you could do is just use half of each vial in 500 ml and sell the rest of the kit on to another group!
1. LordEoin
2. Garry
3. Dr. Horrible
4. Johnrm
5. Dara
6. mr hoppy
7. Donnchadhc
Quote from: Will_D on May 24, 2014, 11:18:10 AM
Just a suggestion:
These kits are quite expensive. Each vial iirc makes up 1 litre of doctored beer.
Far too much for a small group of you.
What you could do is just use half of each vial in 500 ml and sell the rest of the kit on to another group!
The vials are enough for twenty 50ml samples, so if another club wants to go halves it would be cool.
"The subsidized kit for members costs US$100 (shipping included). A member may order one kit per year at this price. " - http://www.bjcp.org/cep/kits.php (http://www.bjcp.org/cep/kits.php)
What counts as a BJCP member? How many do we have?
There are about 20 members in waiting.
It should be possible to get the $100 deal.
I have emailed BJCP to see what the story is.
Would a half-day cover this?
24 flavours at 10mins is 4 hours - I reckon it could be done in about 2
Maybe do the off-flavours the afternoon of Monochrome.
Quote from: donnchadhc on May 24, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
1. LordEoin
2. Garry
3. Dr. Horrible
4. Johnrm
5. Dara
6. mr hoppy
7. Donnchadhc
8. BrewCity
9. Jus223
BJCP have responded saying that I can get the kit for USD100.
Quote from: johnrm on June 02, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
BJCP have responded saying that I can get the kit for USD100.
Does that include delivery?
Shipping included, but does not cover any import duty etc.
I don't think there is any import duty once it's less that USD200.
Lets go ahead and order this so.
With the current interest we're looking at only about a tenner a head + the cost of a slab of ScheissWasserBrau.
We can sort out the fine details later on.
What's the update on this - Did ye do a tasting the day of Monochrome? Or is it all (hopefully) still to happen?
We didn't do a tasting at the monochrome comp. So all yet to happen I guess.
It's still in the pipeline but hopefully it'll happen eventually
Eoin,
I tried using something like this while working on an embedded controller system for controlling consurmer continuous distillation units down under where its legal. We were getting 95.5% ABV of a max theoretical of 96% (due to azeotropic bond with water) but you could still taste and smell lower and higher impurities.
So I got acetaldehyde (boils at 30 something degrees), propy, butyl, amyl, alcohols etc with boiling polnts of up to about 150 oC and tried to figure out by smell what the impurities were.
Total waste of time! Had to use GC testing in the end.
I thing it was because the individual aromas are all overpowering, and its very hard to differentiate between them.
Another issue is that these fusels don't always dissolve, so some float like a microscopic layer of oil on top. You can see it in home made vodka if you look really hard, but I'd imagine its impossible to see on wine or beer. So some can contribute more top aroma than others.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but personally I'd be a bit sceptical.
That's fine if you're trying to simply work out the differences between just different types of alcohol off flavours, but this kit is designed to demonstrate a much wider field of off flavours including :
Acetaldehyde
Acetic
Almond
Butyric
Diacetyl
DMS (Dimethyl Sulfide)
Earthy
Mercaptan
Ethyl acetate
Ethyl hexanoate
Spicy
Metallic
Geraniol
Indole
Isoamyl acetate
Grainy
Isovaleric
Lactic
Caprylic
Papery
Vanilla
Bitter
Infection
Hefeweizen
If you're getting many from that list in a distillery, then there's something very very wrong.
I agree that some of them are probably going to taste very similar, but at least with the little bit of experience you'd be able to identify the main culprits when they pop up in your own beer.
Aparently once you've had a beer that tastes like vomit and baby poo you tend to rememeber the taste of vomit and baby poo for a very long time.
And anyone that finds it difficult to differentiate that beer from one with off flavours of spicy and hefeweizen is probably in the wrong hobby.
I had enquired about this again in advance of monochrome.
It needs to be ordered online and you need a BJCP ID.
I am still waiting on BJCP ID.
Quote from: johnrm on August 03, 2014, 10:03:01 AM
I am still waiting on BJCP ID.
Aren't we all !
This waiting for the exam results is getting a bit of a stale joke.
Its been almost 6 months since the exam (8th Feb)
Ah, taste! Never thought of that. I was trying to do it by smell alone.