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That depends on your exact location, cylinder size and refill price ;)
delivery?
Would be interested if they were delivered, are you able to get your hands on Mixed Gas by any chance?
+1 On the mixed gas ;D Also the smaller CO2 tanks, i think they are like 2kg, not fire extinguishers but same size. ::)
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 09, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
as per size the one mentioned to me was 20oz however Im sure I can source bigger cylinders
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20 oz or 20 lbs ? 20oz wouldnt last a full keg IMHO. As for the mixed gas it is typically 50/50 Co2/Nitrogen or 70/30 CO2/Nitrogen afaik. ;D
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 09, 2014, 08:56:10 PM
20oz like the paintball cylinders
or would it just be easier to supply ya'll with cheap as hell BOC cylinders? lol
If its 20 oz then they would need a special adapter to fit onto a pressure regulator, i have not seen those adapters here anywhere. ;D
Well tbh i would not mind one of those 20 oz ones as well but yes IMHO the normal pub style is easiest. ;D
Yes but standard UK valve for paintball or for a proper regulator ? You will need to find that out first. I could see a few going for these if you can make sure they will fit a regulator such as below, either that or you will have to source the proper adapter to get them to work.
http://www.homebrewwest.ie/co2-regulator-3-bar-with-2-outputs-2231-p.asp.
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 10, 2014, 06:56:30 PM
Can anyone give me a rough idea what you would pay for a 22kg or bigger cylinder of either co2 or mixed gas?
thanks :) need to do some calculations O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
22kg gross weight filled or 22kg is the weight of the gas when its filled ? ;D
Then you need to find out what the weight of CO2 is when its filled, that is what the tank is sold by. 8)
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 11, 2014, 11:29:25 PM
**LIL UPDATE**
Just asked my guy about the weight of the cylinder when filled and i cant find out. the only information i could ascertain was this
50 Bar at 15c
Gross weight 22.4kg
Beverage Dispense Gas E290
hope this helps in anyone able to give me an idea of what sort of price you'd pay for this thanks.
(co2 and mixed gas available)
Thanks man but we really need to know how much gas is in it first, after all gas is sold by net weight. Also are the tanks aluminium or steel would make a difference too as would if they have a valid pressure test cert.
That sounds like a old pub size 7kg cylinder. The Tare weight is typically 16 kg on these. It is stamped on the neck of the bottle somewhere.
Tare: This is the term for the empty bottle. It is a great idea to weigh your various bits of kit and mark up the empty weight. That way if you want to know how much is in the corny: weigh it, subtract the tare (typically 6kg) and then you know how full it is. Likewise when weighing grain, you remmber that you didn't zero the scales before putting the bucket on. If you know the tare of the bucket then its easy - just weigh out say 4 kgs plus the bucket's tare.
HTH
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 12, 2014, 01:18:52 PM
Wondering if this helps??
Cylinder size: VB/LB
Max filled pressure at 15c : 50
Approx dimensions inc valve and guard where supplied (mm) 140x 940
Approx full cylinder weight (kg) 17.4
Manifolded Clinder Pallets : TKL
Max Filled pressure at 15c : 50
Approx dimensions inc cylinders (mm) 840 x 1280 x 1839
Maxx Gorss weight (kg) 1368
any good?
That last one for max gross weight can't be correct, as it reads above that is nearly a ton 1/2 weight,could you check that again ? As Will D eluded to ther must be somewhere it says Tare weight ? Or alternatively if you have an empty cylinder could you weigh it yourself and let us know and someone might be able to work out how much gas it takes ? Thanks.
Not trying to give you a hard time man and i know you are trying but as it stands the info is just too hit and miss sorry, the most important
two things that are needed are 1) What is the nett weight of the CO2 when tank is filled, 2) Does the tank have a valid up to date pressure certification ?, as we still dont know either of these for definite its hard to give you any advice on what to charge etc. ;D
If you asked BOC what the nett weight of CO2 was then they should have been able to tell you, without that nobody is going to commit to buying a tank from you IMHO, also you need to be able to say whether the tanks you are selling have been pressure certified and cert is up to date.
Also i am a bit confused but what tank is it that you have that weighs 10.1kg exactly as that does not tally with the tank weights you have given so far ? What might make it easier is if you could supply a good clear picture of the tank in question and maybe someone here could identify it ?. ;D
For what it's worth, I got 7kg of CO2, my own cylinder picked up
and dropped back off for 45 yos. As far as I could tell it was 15
for the gas, the rest delivery.
I think it was e10 for 2kg, and a euro per kg after that.
I can't quite remember. He talked A LOT.
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 12, 2014, 07:54:26 PM
Much appreciated to Greg for the pm and call buddy :)
anyway so this is now the information I have
I weighed the cylinder again and I reckon I only used a half kilo out of it (i weighed it last time on the carpet haha) and now its reading 22.5kg so i reckon 23kg filled
the tank is made out of steel and im about 180cm tall and it reaches my waist line
The tanks i can get will have a company plastic seal on them and have a sticker i believe that has the date it was filled etc
refills are no issue at all nor is mixed gas
could anyone help :)
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I have a 6kg tank and i reckon from what dark told me his one is between 6kg and 10kg CO2 ? ;D
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 12, 2014, 07:54:26 PM
the tank is made out of steel and im about 180cm tall and it reaches my waist line
This thread is going nowhere until some sensible measurements/photos are posted.
For what its worth:
CO2 cylinders take on significant weight when filled as the CO is liquid.
Mixed gas high pressure cylinders show a miniscule weight gain.
Suggest you get a decent tape measure, weighing scales, and take some photos!
Are the threads Male or Female?
Give us the clues and we can help!
+1 Wil et al.
Dark lad, I'm based in Belfast and am genuinely interested in what you might have to offer but it all seems a bit, and no offence intended, speculative to me and that makes me nervous, especially where gases are involved. At the very least you should know your product.
Good luck,
-Barry
You have a bigger one than i do (ooh matron) :P Seriously though that yoke is way bigger than my 6kg tank, m8 if you have any buddy in the pub trade or something like that you HAVE to get the correct info.
I mean seriously there is 3 pages of replies now and we still don't know what is in the damn thing, i know we talked yesterday but man you really got to get the finger out and get the info, people are getting pissed off at this stage me included as you dont seem to be really chasing down any info about the tanks. Did you even pm Bazza and Will D like i told you to ? ::)
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 13, 2014, 01:02:22 PM
like I said im only new and I can only apologise
ive messaged the pub and have asked them to retrieve the info needed. Im also getting a measuring tape tomorrow and will post all info.
might even start a new post and delete this one
and no but I did post here like you suggested I dont know hoe to work these forums
as for getting annoyed ill buy all you a pint ;)
Sorry man you seem like an ok guy so no offence meant, fyi you wont be able to delete the post you will have to ask an admin to do that for you. You have messaged the pub that's good anyway, hopefully they can get the info you need, if you can get mixed gas sorted and the correct info for that you will have a few new friends on here i reckon :P
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 13, 2014, 01:29:15 PM
I understand totally where you guys are coming from
id be annoyed if i was possibly onto something good and couldnt get the correct info on the product too! :)
couldn't beat a few new friends eh lol
If the pub doesnt get back to me ill contact BOC again and request the info
just to clarify what i need to know
1) empty weight of cylinder
2) full weight of cylinder
3) total volume of co2 in cylinder
4) male or female threads?
This list would be more accurate actually;
1) Empty weight of cylinder in Kg.
2)Nett wieght of CO2 in Kg when cylinder is full.
3) Male or Female threads on cylinder valve.
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 15, 2014, 07:58:02 PM
ALRIGHTY! a bit of progress
According to BOC via email the cylinders i can supply hold 6kg of co2
gross weight 17.5kg
Valve is : RH 0.86 inch x 14 TPI Male
does this help?
Sure does, that's the info we needed. Same size tank as mine so. :D
Give us an idea of what you were thinking of yourself first, after all you are the seller :P
1)Filled 6kg tank.
2)Refill of said 6kg tank.
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 15, 2014, 09:28:36 PM
Just shooting in the dark as I dont know what the going rates are
so £70 for a filled cylinder and then £25 for a refill?
does that sound mental or okay or?
Mental tbh :P
Quote from: darktemplar92 on July 15, 2014, 11:32:23 PM
£50 a cylinder and £25 a refill?
IMHO nearer the mark however i will let the NI lads say yay or nay ;D
How about:
£0.24 + a recently-acquired vintage Ryan Giggs poster for a filled cylinder?
£0.00 + a look at my sister for a refill?
(disclaimer: I couldn't stomach buying the poster, and I don't have a sister)
Alright, to the point:
Firstly, £50 for a filled 6Kg cylinder is very competitive, in my opinion.
£25 per refill is still a little off the mark. I'm currently paying £20.
Will you refill any cylinder, or just ones purchased from yourwself?
Regarding the cylinder, what kind of guarantee comes with it? Do you have a discounted replacement policy after 5 years, for instance, to keep yourself within regulations?
Do you intend to do the refills onsite or will you collect and send them off somewhere? If so, I take it that somewhere is within these 32 counties?
Any prices regarding 2kg cylinders?
Cheers,
-Barry
Quote from: Bazza on July 16, 2014, 09:52:42 AM
£0.24 + a recently-acquired vintage Ryan Giggs poster for a filled cylinder?
£0.00 + a look at my sister for a refill?
I'm starting to really want this Ryan Giggs poster.
CAN ADMIN DELETE THIS POST PLEASE.
THANKS :)
STARTING A NEW ONE