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Title: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 19, 2014, 12:25:03 PM
brewing this up today, cant wait for it such a big crazy beer, can only make 19L cause of all the grain and the limits of my pot so ill probably end up with 14L by bottling  :-[, the recipe calls for 40L crystal but i bought 30L by mistake but hopefully it wont effect it too much. first time messing with water chemistry so hopefully it goes well and i dont reck it. cheers to delzep for the yeast by the way

Recipe: Pliny The Elder
Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Style: Imperial IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 26.70 l
Post Boil Volume: 19.95 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 19.00 l   
Bottling Volume: 18.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.072 SG
Estimated Color: 6.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 213.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.0 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
30.50 l               ashleaf for pliny                        Water         1        -             
17.00 g               Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent   2        -             
3.50 g                Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash 60.0 mins)      Water Agent   3        -             
3.00 g                Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins)        Water Agent   4        -             
2.50 g                Baking Soda (Mash 60.0 mins)             Water Agent   5        -             
5.49 kg               Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)           Grain         6        88.0 %       
0.25 kg               Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)             Grain         7        3.9 %         
0.21 kg               Caramel/Crystal Malt - 30L (41.0 SRM)    Grain         8        3.4 %         
0.29 kg               Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (1.0 SRM)         Sugar         9        4.6 %         
80.00 g               Columbus (Tomahawk) [15.90 %] - Boil 90. Hop           10       162.9 IBUs   
15.00 g               Columbus (Tomahawk) [15.90 %] - Boil 45. Hop           11       26.2 IBUs     
20.00 g               Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min         Hop           12       23.9 IBUs     
60.00 g               Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min          Hop           13       0.0 IBUs     
25.00 g               Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min      Hop           14       0.0 IBUs     
1.0 pkg               Safale American  (DCL/Fermentis #US-05)  Yeast         15       -             
1.0 pkg               Safale American  (DCL/Fermentis #US-05)  Yeast         16       -             
25.00 g               Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days  Hop           17       0.0 IBUs     
25.00 g               Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop  Hop           18       0.0 IBUs     
25.00 g               Simcoe [9.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days       Hop           19       0.0 IBUs     
10.00 g               Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days  Hop           20       0.0 IBUs     
10.00 g               Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop  Hop           21       0.0 IBUs     
10.00 g               Simcoe [9.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days       Hop           22       0.0 IBUs     


Mash Schedule: BIAB, Light Body
Total Grain Weight: 6.24 kg
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Saccharification  Add 25.33 l of water at 70.2 C          65.0 C        90 min       
Mash Out          Add 0.00 l of water and heat to 77.0 C  77.0 C        10 min       

Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: Qs on July 19, 2014, 04:28:56 PM
So much hops  :P
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 19, 2014, 06:06:44 PM
its been a disaster so far volumes gravitys were all over the place iv been adding in and taking away water pure night mare but anyway iv hit my pre-boil gravity and and volume has gone up by 4 litres so iv had to increase all the hops so im using even more now 371g for 23 litres :o crazy stuff
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: nigel_c on July 19, 2014, 06:15:56 PM
That amount of hops is going to soak up a massive amount of wort.
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 19, 2014, 06:21:30 PM
i know im dreading transferring it to the fermentor, they are pellet hops tho so hopefully it wont be too bad
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: nigel_c on July 19, 2014, 06:31:30 PM
let it sit longer that normal before you start transfer. You could transfer to fermenter let if sit a few hours and then transfer to another before pitching to try drop as much out as you can. For really big IBU beer like this you should look into hop extract. Its what a lot of the big guys do to get massive ibu's.
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 19, 2014, 07:48:27 PM
Ye I wanna start using hop extract but the recipe called for Columbus for bittering so I said I'll follow it
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: Qs on July 19, 2014, 08:13:06 PM
Do any of the Irish HBS sell hop extract?
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 19, 2014, 08:21:25 PM
Yup hbc and hbw different types aswell bittering and flavouring dunno how I'd feel bout flavouring tho
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: nigel_c on July 19, 2014, 08:30:09 PM
I used the HBW hop extract in some big DIPA's and found it great. Saves a hell of a lot of wort that you would loose with hops.
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: Qs on July 19, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
Where are they on the HBC site?

Yeah the flavour tablets look like they might be a bit weird. And wheres the fun in flavouring an D/IPA without real hops?
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 20, 2014, 11:28:01 AM
there it is there https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/isomerised-hop-extract-30ml-p-1084.html

anyway i figured out how i messed up  i thought i messed up my mash and got crap efficiency but the problem was i didn add the sugar before taking the pre-boil gravity i got 24L at 1.055 with out sugar giving 67% effeciency, but with sugar it would of been 24L at 1.059 giving 73% effeciency. it took hours of messing with water additions to hit target. then near the end of the boil i took a gravity reading which measured 16.5 brix (1.071) then after cooling i took a reading with hydromoter and got 1.057, this makes no sense, i dont know whats goin on. iv got 20L AT 1.057 from 30L at 1.051. using the boil off calculator and taking into account say two litres for hop absorption, boiling off 8L should give me a gravity of around 1.069 i cant figure it out its like the sugars are jumping out of the pot. all readings where temperature corrected and checked with hydrometer and refractomoter
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: delzep on July 20, 2014, 10:38:21 PM
I brewed more or less this on Friday meself. Used 334g of hops and Notty instead of US-05. Will trade you a bottle for comparison if you want
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 20, 2014, 10:59:18 PM
Ye definitely man sounds good looking forward to trying it wen it's done, u splitting the dry hop additions 7 days and 5 days?
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: delzep on July 20, 2014, 11:17:24 PM
Yeah first one for about 8 days then add the second one for about 5 days. Should get about 30 bottles out of my batch hopefully. Hit my target OG of 1.076 so happy enough so far
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: delzep on July 20, 2014, 11:22:49 PM
I used this

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf

was a bit low on carapils though, and just used normal sugar
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 21, 2014, 12:43:40 PM
And will you be rackin to secondary for your second dry hop or will you just do it all in the one bucket?
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: delzep on July 21, 2014, 01:48:33 PM
Dunno hadn't thought about it. Depends on laziness I suppose
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 21, 2014, 05:12:22 PM
ye its an effort
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on July 25, 2014, 12:23:44 PM
Took a sample yesterday down to 1.006 and so bitter don't think it's gonna be good
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: delzep on July 25, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
Of course it's gonna be good
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on August 03, 2014, 06:02:10 PM
bottled this today really happy with it specially after all the mishaps i had brewing it, i strayed from the original recipe a fair bit tho, on the second dry hop i upped the amounts of each hop to 20g, then today i took 16g of each hop and added them to a french press and steeped them for 20 minutes at around 75C and then added this to the bottling bucket, this is probably the best smelling beer iv ever brewed. looking forward to trying it
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: molc on September 15, 2014, 06:42:58 PM
Thinking of giving this version a go in extract form myself in a month or two: http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/hop-hammer/
Title: Re: Pliny clone >:D
Post by: baphomite51 on September 18, 2014, 10:42:16 PM
be careful with the bittering additions mine was way to bitter but i had less alcohol and a lower FG then what i should of but i still think if i had the extra ABV and higher FG it would still be super bitter