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Brewing Discussions => All Grain Brewing => Topic started by: belfastboozer on July 23, 2014, 10:45:12 AM

Title: Keeping the lid on when boiling
Post by: belfastboozer on July 23, 2014, 10:45:12 AM
I have been keeping the lid on my wort when boiling to get it to a rolling boil then taking off to finish the boil, I have read that this causes issues with off flavours, I haven't had any issues to date so to save time and gas would it be an issue to leave the lid on?
Title: Re: Keeping the lid on when boiling
Post by: Qs on July 23, 2014, 11:10:43 AM
I think you get DMS issues if you leave the lid on. Thats why I leave it off anyway. I'd be especially wary of leaving it on if you're using pilsner malt. Also if you really want to keep the lid on try wiping the condensation off it as often as possible.
Title: Re: Keeping the lid on when boiling
Post by: Hop Bomb on July 23, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
Yip - DMS. The steam needs some way to escape. Even leaving it open a wee bit would be better than not at all. You need to boil off the precursors to DMS & if you've the lid on the steam will just condense & drop back into your wort & give you much higher levels of DMS in your finished beer.

Why cant you get a good enough rolling boil on gas? Any pics of the boil? Whats your gas setup/kettle size?
Title: Re: Keeping the lid on when boiling
Post by: biertourist on July 23, 2014, 07:30:39 PM
Larger commercial breweries do basically the opposite of keeping the lid on when boiling, they use "wort strippers" instead of boil kettles which look like large brewery boil kettles from the outside but inside they're a cone that has steam running underneath -a thin layer of wort is pumped over the top of the cone and this essentially "flash boils" the wort and drives off the volatile wort constituents that you want to remove within a couple of seconds.

http://www.krones.com/en/products/process-technology/wort-stripping-beer.php


Adam
Title: Re: Keeping the lid on when boiling
Post by: UpsidedownA (Andrew) on August 04, 2014, 11:49:18 AM
If there's no issue with off flavours, then you're not doing anything wrong leaving the lid on for the first part of the boil. Evidently you get enough evaporation as it is.
Title: Re: Keeping the lid on when boiling
Post by: belfastboozer on August 09, 2014, 10:39:30 AM
Quote from: Hop Bomb on July 23, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
Yip - DMS. The steam needs some way to escape. Even leaving it open a wee bit would be better than not at all. You need to boil off the precursors to DMS & if you've the lid on the steam will just condense & drop back into your wort & give you much higher levels of DMS in your finished beer.

Why cant you get a good enough rolling boil on gas? Any pics of the boil? Whats your gas setup/kettle size?
I have a 7.5kw gas burner it doesn't have any prob getting the boil going or rollin, I do a 26.5 litre batch at a time
Title: Re: Keeping the lid on when boiling
Post by: belfastboozer on August 09, 2014, 10:42:38 AM
I read that some brewers use a bowl the same diameter of the boil kettle with a small hole cut in the top
Title: Re: Keeping the lid on when boiling
Post by: Khannie on August 10, 2014, 11:44:08 AM
Quote from: belfastboozer on August 09, 2014, 10:42:38 AM
I read that some brewers use a bowl the same diameter of the boil kettle with a small hole cut in the top

Tell me more about this?

I don't think there will be any issues with DMS if you're just getting the wort up to the roiling boil. That was the original question, right? I wouldn't leave it covered the whole time, but I leave mine partially covered and I haven't had any issues yet.