Just back from mci, nice guys easy to deal with. Got 3 bags of ale malt And a bag stout for e73
Nice new printed bags. Great price!
Well that is the job alright :)
Hi just wondering how I would go about buying some bags from them. Can I contact them direct and just collect from them or what is the process? Do they do a larger one?
Is it uncrushed?
New to all grain brewing but keggle is nearly build so looking forward to getting going.
So all help welcome.
Website is not up yet so call them. Details... www.maltingcompany.ie
i shot them off an email prior to get the cost, then i just called into reception where i paid by card then drove down to the new bagging depot at the back where i picked up the bags, easy peasy
Fair play to whoever did that website. They make barley look so cuddly and warm. They've obviously never been near a working combine harvester. Sweat, dust, prickly dust stuck to the sweat and all the piriton in the world won't do you sneezing and scratching.
Such memories. That's why I get so much satisfaction crushing and mashing the little feckers >:D
Cheers for the reply.
Cant wait to get going. ;D
Quote from: johnrm on August 04, 2014, 01:01:44 AM
Website is not up yet so call them. Details... www.maltingcompany.ie
Looks like it's up now but not working properly yet.
I was down with them a few weeks ago. Dealt with Chris. Super lad.
Quote from: zundapp on August 04, 2014, 12:09:44 AM
Hi just wondering how I would go about buying some bags from them. Can I contact them direct and just collect from them or what is the process? Do they do a larger one?
Is it uncrushed?
New to all grain brewing but keggle is nearly build so looking forward to getting going.
So all help welcome.
I'll answer these in order. :)
Yeah, you can collect.
They are doing 25KG bags for now. You can order truck loads, but for the normal Joe, it's bags.
It's uncrushed, but they're buying a mill at some point in the near future.
since it is not crushed.
Has anyone an inexpensive way to mill it or would i have to invest in one. Hopefully not :P
if so can you recommend one
You can use a rolling pin and a plastic bag. It's a PITA and I've only tried it with a few hundred grams of grain for steeping. I don't think any man would have the patience to do the 5+ kgs required for an all grain batch.
You should try to get to a local meet up. There's bound to be someone living near you with a mill who would gladdly mill a few batches in exchange for a few beers.
This mill (http://www.brouwland.com/en/our-products/brewing/malt-mills-and-accessories/hobby-mills/d/adjustable-roller-maltmill-brewferm#.U-olZvldXuM) is the best all-round value in my opinion. It comes with the hopper, mdf template to fit a bucket and most of the Irish HB shops throw in a free bucket too.
You're probably better off buying crushed grain for the first few batches anyway.
+1 on the Brouwland mill, it's awesome!
Quote from: zundapp on August 12, 2014, 03:21:13 PM
Has anyone an inexpensive way to mill it or would i have to invest in one. Hopefully not :P
if so can you recommend one
Find a local group near you, ask and you will be invited to call round to someone to mill a few kilos for you while you save up for a proper roller mill!
As a matter of interest now that their site has gone live does this mean that the group buys from them are no longer going ahead?
Quote from: cruiscinlan on August 27, 2014, 03:47:05 AM
As a matter of interest now that their site has gone live does this mean that the group buys from them are no longer going ahead?
I'd say the opposite now the grain is bagged. All it takes is a quick call out to see who might be interested in a GB and someone willing to do the leg work.
I'll be in need of a bag of pale malt in the next couple of weeks, that's 2 already ;)
edit: if you're Dublin based, I'm gonna see if there's interest for a Capital/Liffey/South Dub/North County GB
Talk to them about dropping a pallet in Dublin
Has anyone contacted Loughran Family Malt for this end of the country?
Was thinking about gauging interest for a pallet this side of the border but, going by their website, we seem to be subject to UK delivery charges, but that could be discussed if we get the interest.
-Barry
2 bags of ale malt €86.10
2 bags of maris otter from thehomebrewcompany €74 - €80
:(
Quote from: Bazza on August 27, 2014, 02:30:40 PM
Was thinking about gauging interest for a pallet this side of the border but, going by their website, we seem to be subject to UK delivery charges, but that could be discussed if we get the interest.
-Barry
If you're based in NI, have you tried to get quotes for pallet pickup and delivery, if you use a courier booking site like shiply or parcel2go it can work out quite reasonable. Worth a look anyway.
Being based in Dublin myself I would be interested in two or three bags if a GB goes ahead for the capital group.
I rang them up at around 15th aug and asked for 6 bags 4pale ale 1 stout and 1 lager and i would collect them and the girl gave me aquote for 189.00 but add on that cursed vat and it came in at 234.00 so 73.00 looks wrong for 4 bags or i,mringing the wrong place
Regards
Sittingbull
Quote from: sittingbull on September 06, 2014, 05:45:09 PM
I rang them up at around 15th aug and asked for 6 bags 4pale ale 1 stout and 1 lager and i would collect them and the girl gave me aquote for 189.00 but add on that cursed vat and it came in at 234.00 so 73.00 looks wrong for 4 bags or i,mringing the wrong place
Regards
Sittingbull
If that included delivery its probably right. Once you buy 20 bags it gets down to E15/bag plus delivery of E55 on a pallet and VAT. In terms of a group buy naturally to minimise costs the best thing would be to buy 40 bags. This would equate to E20.14/bag including vat and delivery. Obviously if some sort of NHC express could be arranged it'd be more attractive.
On that note if there are folk that do a regular Cork-Dublin run, the E15 rate per bag kicks in at 20 bags which is manageable in a saloon size car.
Thats nearly €40 a bag. Thats more than the HB shops charge.
I would phone again! Check that delivery is NOT included.
I asked here did that include delivery and she said no she said if you buy more than 4 it's 24.00 a bag but add vat on it works out at around 29 to 30 a bag then petrol about 35.00 nearly better off buying off home brew shops on line
They are hoping to get better delivery rates in the future but it is demand led. More orders means cheaper delivery for everyone. On the other hand if you order a pallet it will probably be the same for delivery as 5 bags.
Quote from: sittingbull on September 08, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
I asked here did that include delivery and she said no she said if you buy more than 4 it's 24.00 a bag but add vat on it works out at around 29 to 30 a bag then petrol about 35.00 nearly better off buying off home brew shops on line
i got 4 bags for 73 including VAT. So have they rasied their prices?
Here is whats in their shop:
http://www.maltingcompany.ie/shop/ (http://www.maltingcompany.ie/shop/)
Its 25 a bag (discounts on bulk are negotiable)
BIG BUT Then they add the vat and carriage!
They should be taken to task re the VAT element as its misleading for any retailer/wholesaler to NOT clearly state the vat component.
When you checkout, this is NOT the time to be told about vat!
Quote from: Covey on September 08, 2014, 10:50:50 PM
i got 4 bags for 73 including VAT. So have they rasied their prices?
It depends did you buy from them when they were filling bags by hand? I think it was cheaper then. Their current rates are E25/bag ex vat and delivery so 4 bags would be E172.20 so E43 all in.
It would work out a lot better in terms of a group buy, which would bring 40 bags plus pallet fee plus vat to E805.20, or E20.14/bag
Still it does mean they aren't competitive with the homebrew stores, unless they're only selling to people in bulk. I wonder who they all selling too to stay in business...
Commercial brewers who can reclaim VAT.
Quote from: molc on September 09, 2014, 08:40:32 AM
Still it does mean they aren't competitive with the homebrew stores, unless they're only selling to people in bulk. I wonder who they all selling too to stay in business...
Don't think they are trying to compete with the homebrew stores. Their main customer is Heineken, and I think the reason they are bagging is in order to export to the USA, as I there seems to be demand for Irish malt there. I don't think the bagging line was put in for us I'm afraid. It should be okay for Cork based brewers, as long as we do a group buy of minimum 20 bags, as we won't have to worry about delivery costs, but does look prohibitive otherwise for smaller amounts. even if collecting yourself.
I just picked up two bags yesterday (ale and stout) for 61 EU so it's about 30.5EU per bag if you call over and pick it up yourself. Price-wise for me it's about 5 or 6EU cheaper per bag than ordering through a homebrew site, but obviously I don't have to pay the cost of shipping. It's not really comparing apples with apples though, these are different malts from those available online - hope to find out how different over the next few brews.
Not sure but that is what they quoted me around 14th/16th August
Quote from: Dr Horrible on September 09, 2014, 10:54:44 AM
It's not really comparing apples with apples though, these are different malts from those available online - hope to find out how different over the next few brews.
Is there a brand on the sacks?
They only malt the 5 or so base malts that are on the website.
They were talking earlier of imprting from the UK/Europe other base and also speciality malts from the big maltsters.
So what did you get?
Yep the sacks are branded Malting company Ireland. I got the ale malt and the stout malt, going to brew with the ale malt on Saturday, all I can say at the moment is that it's very tasty!
Sorry Doc, when you said different to wjats online thought you meant MCI online as opposed nto the other online stores!
"Al ist Klaar Komissar"
Quote from: cruiscinlan on September 08, 2014, 11:41:23 PM
Quote from: Covey on September 08, 2014, 10:50:50 PM
i got 4 bags for 73 including VAT. So have they rasied their prices?
It depends did you buy from them when they were filling bags by hand? I think it was cheaper then. Their current rates are E25/bag ex vat and delivery so 4 bags would be E172.20 so E43 all in.
It would work out a lot better in terms of a group buy, which would bring 40 bags plus pallet fee plus vat to E805.20, or E20.14/bag
It was the beginning of August bought it from the new bagging plant
Quote from: Covey on September 12, 2014, 12:23:05 AM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on September 08, 2014, 11:41:23 PM
Quote from: Covey on September 08, 2014, 10:50:50 PM
i got 4 bags for 73 including VAT. So have they rasied their prices?
It depends did you buy from them when they were filling bags by hand? I think it was cheaper then. Their current rates are E25/bag ex vat and delivery so 4 bags would be E172.20 so E43 all in.
It would work out a lot better in terms of a group buy, which would bring 40 bags plus pallet fee plus vat to E805.20, or E20.14/bag
It was the beginning of August bought it from the new bagging plant
Def yanked up their prices
Why are they charging VAT?
Food ingredients and food products are zero rated.
Sureley malted barley is a food stuff ingredient and should be zero rated!
As is flour and sugar!
Cheers oh mighty vat minder.
It does state that other barley products are exempt
" Includes barley meal, barley screenings, rolled barley, roasted barley. "
I do however note that MALT EXTRACT is Zero rated Is this the case in the HB shops?
ref: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/rates/decision-detail-04545.jsp (http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/rates/decision-detail-04545.jsp)
It gets better:
Search for malted Wheat:
Its zero rated!
Ref: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/rates/decision-detail-04722.jsp (http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/rates/decision-detail-04722.jsp)
Under "Remarks it states@ Includes Malted Wheat"
And the Rev. have not even heard of rye so I assume that is exempt as well.
Quote from: Will_D on September 12, 2014, 08:18:32 PM
It does state that other barley products are exempt
" Includes barley meal, barley screenings, rolled barley, roasted barley. "
Under "Remarks it states@ Includes Malted Wheat"
And the Rev. have not even heard of rye so I assume that is exempt as well.
Historically the rate of tax on malted barley is what led to unmalted barley being used as the mash for pot still whiskey. I wonder could you use regular barley in a mash and would the malt convert it?