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Title: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: Bazza on September 19, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
Hi All,

First off, Happy Friday! (I work for an American firm, they seem to like that sort of thing. They should know byt know I'm a miserable b*****d every day of the week).

I've been naturally carbing my cornies for about 90% of the brews I've kegged. I've force-carbed the remainder on occasions when time constraints meant I couldn't wait for the priming process to complete.

Anyway, I was just wondering what anyone else does? I'm guessing most folk force carb their kegs but I like the idea of the olde natural method of carbing the kegs, to give that authentic ale experience. It does, however, tend to cause the sediment to get kicked about in the keg for a lot longer than I'd like for the likes of IPA's, thus stifiling the hop flavour somewhat.

Thought/opinions?

Cheers,

-Barry
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: HomeBrewWest on September 19, 2014, 01:24:17 PM
I've spoken to German micros who swear that natural carbonation is vastly superior. Better head retention etc.
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: molc on September 19, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
When I get my kegs I plan to naturally carb everything bar ipa's and maybe cider. From what I've read it gives a much rounder flavour to the finished product.
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: alealex on September 19, 2014, 03:50:03 PM
It's well worth to prime with glucose and wait for natural carbonation. but it can take ages to clear the beer.
I'm thinking of using 0.5micron ss air stone for carbing, it supouse to break co2 into fine bubles with far better results snd fast carbing overnight.
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: sittingbull on September 24, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
I'm finding my bottle head retention great but just won't work as good with over night carbonation just wondering Alex how much glucose would u need with your Keggs
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: Garry on September 24, 2014, 10:02:13 AM
I've never tried priming the corny, it sounds interesting. Do you need to shorten the dip tube to stop sucking up the trub at the bottom?
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: LordEoin on September 24, 2014, 10:28:20 AM
nah, just leave it. There shouldn't be too much sediment after secondary and most of it will just sit on the bottom
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: LordEoin on September 24, 2014, 12:57:38 PM
Dube said you should cut off your mickey.. that's what i heard anyway
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: alealex on September 24, 2014, 03:45:24 PM
100g of glucose into 100ml of boiling water, make syrup.
then into the keg after filling with beer, vent air out of the keg fart some co2 and wait, wait, wait..  ;D
and yeah, never ever dip your tube, tip your bud, cut the dude or whatever.. (size matters) ;D it will only suck square inch of the sediment from the bottom of the keg
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: mr hoppy on September 24, 2014, 07:31:31 PM
Tube's probably right to say never shorten your dip tube, but if you do you can "fix" it by putting some plastic tubing on the end after you put it in the keg.
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: molc on September 24, 2014, 08:12:41 PM
So when you naturally carb, what pressure do you set your co2 regulator to make sure you don't change the profile? I'm guessing the same as the level you were aiming for...
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: Taf on September 25, 2014, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: mr hoppy on September 24, 2014, 07:31:31 PM
Tube's probably right to say never shorten your dip tube, but if you do you can "fix" it by putting some plastic tubing on the end after you put it in the keg.

I'd say you would have to add the plastic tubing before you put it in the keg, as could be tricky to do it afterwards!
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: nigel_c on September 25, 2014, 12:05:10 PM
I've primed kegs a fair few times. Gets a nice carbonation for a stout or porter. You can even serve off the shelf style.

I never did anything with the tube. Just primed and left a few weeks. You loose a pint or 2 to sediment but it's grand.
Handy if you don't have a proper dedicated fridge for serving.
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: Bubbles on September 25, 2014, 01:30:45 PM
I've always been a bit puzzled about why people naturally prime their cornies. I thought the main reason everyone had cornies was to avoid the dreaded sediment you get with bottle-conditioning.

So there's a different type of carbonation with natural priming?
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: Shanna on September 25, 2014, 01:44:43 PM
I wonder whether there would be enough Co2 to serve the entire keg? I have primed a 5 litre mini keg a few times before and it only would have enough pressure to serve about 40% before I have had to resort to Co2 bulbs.

Shanna
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: molc on September 25, 2014, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Shanna on September 25, 2014, 01:44:43 PM
I wonder whether there would be enough Co2 to serve the entire keg? I have primed a 5 litre mini keg a few times before and it only would have enough pressure to serve about 40% before I have had to resort to Co2 bulbs.

Shanna
Aye, exactly what I was googling just right there. Would love to know.

OH well, once the kegs arrive, I'll give it the good ould fashioned test :)
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: alealex on September 25, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
Beer would be overcarbed if you add too much priming sugar, so there's no point trying to serve the whole keg on it.
That's my experience with plastic keg and the co2 bullets.
Priming with sugar still saves few $$$ on co2 bill  ;D
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: mr hoppy on September 25, 2014, 07:54:17 PM
Quote from: Taf on September 25, 2014, 10:43:08 AM
I'd say you would have to add the plastic tubing before you put it in the keg, as could be tricky to do it afterwards!

If you can get your hand into the keg it's easy enough as long as you lay the keg on its side and only insert the end of the tube into the keg. I'd no choice as the plastic tubing was was bigger than the dip tube.
Title: Re: Cornies - to prime or not to prime?
Post by: Taf on September 25, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
Ah yes, I get you now.