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Buy & Sell => For Sale => Topic started by: LordEoin on November 01, 2014, 12:30:46 PM

Title: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: LordEoin on November 01, 2014, 12:30:46 PM
found on donedeal, not mine.
aparently suitable as FVs, otherwise storage. €20 for 2, delivered.
http://www.donedeal.ie/otherhome-for-sale/plastic-storage-barrels-free-delivery/7723696 (http://www.donedeal.ie/otherhome-for-sale/plastic-storage-barrels-free-delivery/7723696)
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: delzep on November 01, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
this is probably the same seller with different sizes

http://www.adverts.ie/home-storage/plastic-storage-barrels/6391122
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: armedcor on November 01, 2014, 02:03:57 PM
Would they work well as a boiler I wonder?
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: LordEoin on November 01, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: delzep on November 01, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
this is probably the same seller with different sizes

http://www.adverts.ie/home-storage/plastic-storage-barrels/6391122
There's a better selection on that ad.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: Damofto on November 01, 2014, 03:36:17 PM
Thanks for that, think I will buy a couple of those. Been thinking about brewing bigger batches. Just need a bigger kettle now.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: paddyp on November 01, 2014, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: LordEoin on November 01, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: delzep on November 01, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
this is probably the same seller with different sizes

http://www.adverts.ie/home-storage/plastic-storage-barrels/6391122
There's a better selection on that ad.

I nearly ordered the 72l ones on donedeal, seeing the adverts ad its a bit implausible to me that all those contained salt.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: Rats on November 01, 2014, 08:21:05 PM
Nice for grain storage.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: alealex on November 01, 2014, 08:28:10 PM
Good for grain storage, not good for the boiler..  :o and not v good for fermenter neither  ???
Actualy, where is our plastic expert!? Help!
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: Damofto on November 01, 2014, 08:45:00 PM
I just ordered 2 was planning to use them as fermenters, sure even if they'll only do for grain storage they'll be worth 20 quid I suppose.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: armedcor on November 01, 2014, 10:24:35 PM
That's a pity about using it for a fermenter, what's the reason?
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: alealex on November 02, 2014, 03:46:09 PM
I'm not an expert on this but from what I was told colour plays the role.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: paddyp on November 02, 2014, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: alealex on November 02, 2014, 03:46:09 PM
I'm not an expert on this but from what I was told colour plays the role.

If they're real food grade then the blue pigment will be food safe just like the large blue water mains. Hdpe is permeable so it can absorb molecules from whatever was in it and release it slowly. My neighbour had one cut in half for horse trough you could still small garlic off it after 2 years full of water exposed to the elements.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: varadamo on November 02, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
Hi all - saw this on another site - sounds like these May be suitable as fv,s ?      http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=21735
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: paddyp on November 02, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
Quote from: varadamo on November 02, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
Hi all - saw this on another site - sounds like these May be suitable as fv,s ?      http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=21735

With nonsense advice like "If they are food grade plastic there will be a 1 2 or 4 in the little recycle triangle." and "I just cleaned it out real good" I wouldn't place much faith source. How does one clean out between the molecules of ethylene.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: imark on November 02, 2014, 09:45:26 PM
I think food safe is dependent on the temperature and environmental factors. Some plastics are fine in a certain range but not other ranges. Best thing is deal in facts. Google the msds for the material in question and make your own decisions. I'm only speaking from what I've learned here over the years so searching may be worth trying.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: alealex on November 06, 2014, 02:29:26 PM
I've asked CH yesterday about how safe is it to ferment or boil liquids in blue HDPE containers. 'Stay away from it unless you wanna grow nice pair of man tits' - was the answer  :)
Anyways there are blue HDPE drums with white PTFE which is totally fine as FV.
Worth asking in Indian restaurants and asian food shops.

Might atract gynecomastia fans  ???  :o  :P


Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: LordEoin on November 06, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
Feck.. that's where I went wrong!  :-[
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: Damofto on November 06, 2014, 08:38:10 PM
Thanks for the info.  I pulled the trigger too soon, but they won't go to waste anyway.

homebrew.ie have a reasonably priced 60 litre that I'll probably go for now.
http://www.homebrew.ie/60-litre-fermentation-vessel-614-p.asp
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: cruiscinlan on November 06, 2014, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: imark on November 02, 2014, 09:45:26 PM
Google the msds for the material in question and make your own decisions. I'm only speaking from what I've learned here over the years so searching may be worth trying.

What is 'msd'?  I'm trying to figure out if I can ferment in plain white HDPE [type 2].
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: johnrm on November 06, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
Material Safety Data Sheet
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: John Edward on November 07, 2014, 12:21:33 AM
I bought 2 of these about a month ago. I'm happy enough with them but was planning to use them for fermentation.

So is the verdict that they're not ok? The man sold them on to me as being suitable for fermentation. If they're not, then we ought to report the add for false advertising.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: paddyp on November 07, 2014, 01:18:34 AM
Quote from: John Edward on November 07, 2014, 12:21:33 AM
I bought 2 of these about a month ago. I'm happy enough with them but was planning to use them for fermentation.

So is the verdict that they're not ok? The man sold them on to me as being suitable for fermentation. If they're not, then we ought to report the add for false advertising.

I wouldn't use them but i still think they're a great bargain for storage, they're twice the price without delivery locally here. Great for cement, tile adhesive, fertiliser, lime, softener salt, dog food etc. etc.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: LordEoin on November 07, 2014, 10:12:55 AM
They'd probably be  fine for fermentation.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: paddyp on November 07, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: LordEoin on November 07, 2014, 10:12:55 AM
They'd probably be  fine for fermentation.

We have no idea who manufactured the them or what was stored in them. Out of interest what codes are on them John.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: LordEoin on November 07, 2014, 02:08:04 PM
salt. ask the seller.
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: delzep on November 07, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
That's a hell of a lot of salt
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: LordEoin on November 07, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
a herd of dairy cattle will go through quite a bit of salt
Title: Re: 52liter food grade drums
Post by: johnrm on November 07, 2014, 05:04:35 PM
??