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Title: Meath Water
Post by: auralabuse on November 23, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
I have brewed loads of stouts and darker style ales which all come out great but when I go for a lighter ale,  IPA etc they just don't turn out right.  I'm wondering at this stage if the tap water in Meath is too hard for these styles.  Any other royal County brewers having this problem,  do you boil the bejeebis out of the water or use mineral water?,  don't wanna miss out on these beers as I love a good ipa
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: Beerbuddha on November 23, 2014, 08:32:46 PM
I'm not in Meath but i was having same issues as i have a well and water is hard as nails but since i got the reverse osmosis system in i can make any water profile by adding minerals required, kinda like having  a blank canvas to work on. Quality water to drink and most important quality water to brew with.

I'm sure others from your area will have some taughts. Thats my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: auralabuse on November 23, 2014, 11:13:38 PM
Thanks bb,  turns out I'm looking at one of them systems at the mo,  food for thought
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: johnrm on November 24, 2014, 12:52:03 AM
My experience of RO is that there is quite an amount of 'waste' water. Keep this in mind when researching. Hold the sales people to their claims - they are all liars!
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: Sorcerers Apprentice on November 24, 2014, 07:55:48 AM
I read that it can take 4 litres of raw water to make 1 litre of RO water, is it really this high?
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: auralabuse on November 24, 2014, 09:41:33 AM
The system I looked at,  and to be honest it was a passing glance in a hardware store seemed to have a 3 stage filter.  All in line with no provision for waste water so it's probably not a ro system,  more filtration
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: Beerbuddha on November 24, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
4 filters on my RO system. I have young children so we wanted best water we could get so ro was no brainer.
Watched good movie called tapped a while back......it's not the issue with water quality it's the chemicals from the plastic packaging that's an issue. I won't be paying for my water to be metred so water usage won't be an issue..... not sure how much is wasted to produce ro water
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: johnrm on November 24, 2014, 01:38:04 PM
Quote from: B.B. on November 24, 2014, 12:55:23 PM
I have young children so we wanted best water we could get so ro was no brainer.
RO strips out all the minerals too.
You add minerals into water to balance pH and minerals for a healthy fermentation and a better flavour profile.

Have a look...
http://www.uwhealth.org/news/dr-jacqueline-gerhart-theres-good-and-bad-to-using-reverse-osmosis-water-systems/36710 (http://www.uwhealth.org/news/dr-jacqueline-gerhart-theres-good-and-bad-to-using-reverse-osmosis-water-systems/36710)
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: Beerbuddha on November 24, 2014, 04:05:52 PM
Good stuff .......it will cause loss of hair next week and probably make you live longer the week after.

It's a balance. My well water had way too much mineral content for drinking. Some treated water has too much chlorine....... Some has to be boiled.... RO seems the best balance but it's super for brewing with  :)
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: auralabuse on November 24, 2014, 04:28:09 PM
So bb how do you know what minerals to add?,  and what qtys.  Also where do ya pick them up?,  sorry for all the questions
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: Beerbuddha on November 24, 2014, 04:47:16 PM
Lol million dollar questions
It's a whole new kettle of fish.

Quick answer. Google water calculators some other forums have them.
I use brun water free to download but at first look you will probably give up as it's complicated at first.

You can buy some minerals in homebrew shops but not all. Cheaper to get them on eBay. you also need a scales like jewelry scale to measure precise like 1.356 gramm gypsum

So what I do is collect ro water let's say 35 litres.
Choose water profile for that beer style.
Apply that profile into calculator and it gives me minerals I require for perfect water and it also adjust for perfect mash ph.

I'd concentrate on getting ur process,equipment ect perfect before concentrating on water.
It will give you that last piece of the brewing puzzle.
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: RichC on November 24, 2014, 08:46:14 PM
I use RO and treat it also. I follow the guidelines on HBTs brewing water chemistry primer with a few tweaks from experience
Its a very simple approach and an excellent starting point
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: DEMPSEY on November 25, 2014, 10:21:09 AM
I fitted an RO system in my kitchen and am very happy with it. Separate tap for main water so only use for drinking water and tea/coffee making and general food cooking. Kettle has no gunk any more and coffee tastes better. No good minerals yes but then I do what my mammy told me and I's eats me vegetables  ;) 
Title: Re: Meath Water
Post by: johnrm on November 26, 2014, 12:25:04 AM
Have you a meter?
Home much waste do you have D?