Regretting not going for this so here goes with a new list. Imark, I assume you're interested? Add yourself in
1. Lars(RichardC)
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1. Lars(RichardC)
2. imark
I could be persuaded. Whats the advantages of these rather than just buying pre crushed grain? I know its good if you want the grain freshly crushed but I am unsure that the hassle of building a hopper and cushing the grain would give a notable difference to the taste of the beer produced.
QuoteI could be persuaded.
You can tell your friends that you did everything yourself.From start to finish.You can explain to them how the "right gap" between the rollers are "important" for the flavor they are enjoying ;D
With the bulk buys I end up storing grain for quite a while. I want it to be as fresh as possible and I believe it stores better uncrushed. A lot of the guys over on HBT wouldn't dream of using crushed grain a few months old. I had a sealed bag of crushed grain from a homebrew shop when I got delivery of my bulk buy bag before and the difference was remarkable, the bulk buy stuff having a much stronger more pleasant aroma and deeper colour. As Tube said it'll make better beer like cooking with fresh ingredients!
Fermentation is the key! Having just crushed your grain sounds great but if you process is not up to scratch and your fermentation is not spot on, it all comes through in the beer. ( no matter whether your grain was crushed that day or not!)
QuoteQuoteI could be persuaded. Whats the advantages of these rather than just buying pre crushed grain? I know its good if you want the grain freshly crushed but I am unsure that the hassle of building a hopper and cushing the grain would give a notable difference to the taste of the beer produced.
Dark grains in particular keep their freshness for a lot longer if they haven't been crushed.
The short answer is you'll make better beer.
last question surely grain crushed professionally by a better mill (pre crushed) would out weigh the benefits of fresh crushed in a two roller grain mill. I'm giving this one serious consideration as I can see the benefits for storing uncrushed grain longer. Although I have stored crushed grain for ages with no problems.
Lars do you fancy going for a three roller to get our order in? There doesn't seem to be too much interest in the second buy.
1. Lars(RichardC)
2. imark
3. andrewl46
I'll put my name down for one if your gonna get the 2 roller version.
Out of the guys that have bought them on the last group buy, has the crush been ok with the fixed rollers?
Also can ya hook a drill up to them??
Just read about the 2a on their website and it answered my questions!
Count me in!
Quote1. Lars(RichardC) -2S
2. imark
3. andrewl46
Guys, I put my preference in for type 2S. We've enough now to avail of group buy price advantage. How long should we wait before closing this out?. I'm happy to order at any time.
QuoteQuote1. Lars(RichardC) -2S
2. imark
3. andrewl46
Guys, I put my preference in for type 2S. We've enough now to avail of group buy price advantage. How long should we wait before closing this out?. I'm happy to order at any time.
Just to clarify on the group buy prices, Don from Crankandstein was offering the discounted mill prices based on orders >$400. You would still get the discounted shipping prices with 3 mills.
I guess you could tell him your order is related to the original group order and he might honour the lower prices based on that.
QuoteQuoteQuote1. Lars(RichardC) -2S
2. imark
3. andrewl46
Guys, I put my preference in for type 2S. We've enough now to avail of group buy price advantage. How long should we wait before closing this out?. I'm happy to order at any time.
Just to clarify on the group buy prices, Don from Crankandstein was offering the discounted mill prices based on orders >$400. You would still get the discounted shipping prices with 3 mills.
I guess you could tell him your order is related to the original group order and he might honour the lower prices based on that.
Thanks Paul, have you got an email for him or was it by telephone? I can contact him and explain and he might allow us to avail of the group price
dr_crankandstein@bellsouth.net
Quotedr_crankandstein@bellsouth.net
Emailed Don on thursday night, will update here when he gets back to me
QuoteQuotedr_crankandstein@bellsouth.net
Emailed Don on thursday night, will update here when he gets back to me
Ok, Don has responded and said hell give us the group buy prices. Let me know what models you guys want and any handles etc(see original group buy) and I'll place order.
Richard
Excellent! Thanks.
1. Lars(RichardC) -2S
2. imark
3. andrewl46 - 2s
Great work Richard. Thanks.
1. Lars(RichardC) -2S
2. imark - 2S
3. andrewl46 - 2s.
Has the order for this gone in yet?
Cheers,
-F
QuoteHas the order for this gone in yet?
Cheers,
-F
Hi Cambrinus, order not gone in yet. Don has confirmed that he'll give us the group buy rate but shipping costs are $48 per box and abox will take 3 X 2Roller mills or 2 X 3Roller mills so being 4th in that would mean shipping the third mill would cost $48 unless we can get some more interested parties. Would you like to proceed on that basis? or maybe try and drum up some interest on boards.ie or beoir?
Guys, Ive been mailing Don and spoke to him on the phone, just waiting for him to invoice my paypal account and I'll make purchase. Ill pass on cost directly to you guys for initial purchase and shipping and when the revenue apply tax we can deal with that on delivery as I assume thats when itll be applied.
Sounds like a plan. :)
PMs sent
Paid. Thanks for organizing this Richard!!
Paid. Thanks Richard.
Thanks guys.
Payment gone through to crankandstein.
Got notification that these dispatch today. Will post when I receive delivery
Great stuff Richard. Thanks.
Good news thanks
Guys, just had a failed delivery from An Post today which can only be the mills. I should be able to collect them on wednesday afternoon. Contact me to organise collection. Think I PM'd you my mobile. I'm workin nights today and tomorrow so I'm available between the hours of 'about' 4pm to 7am tonight and tomorrow and anytime after 12:30 on wednesday
Wish I was on this thing before this went down.
Reckon there'll ever be another?
Hi Alex,
I think Cambrinus expressed an interest earlier in this thread. 3 is the magic number for reduced rate shipping and Don from Crankandstein was perfectly willing to give me the bulk buy discount when I explained that I just wasnt quick enough to get into the original group buy. You could just try and get yourself and 2 others interested and contact Don.
Id be interested also but wont have spare cash for a few weeks.
Swmbo collected mills today so contact me for collection
Thanks again for organising that buy for us Richard.
Hi Shane, hope to make it allright. Will try and get in for a few.
Thanks Lars, great info.
Hop Bomb I'm in the same sit for a week or two now so I might put up a new thread in a week and PM you if that's cool?
Grand job. Cheers.
How are you fixed Lars? Im ready to buy one of these lads. St.Fursey was too last time we met. Il see him tonight & will confirm.
QuoteHow are you fixed Lars? Im ready to buy one of these lads. St.Fursey was too last time we met. Il see him tonight & will confirm.
You should probably contact Don in crankandstein sooner rather than later and ask him for the group buy rate while our purchases are still fresh in his head. I spoke to him on the phone. He came across very well
QuoteQuoteHow are you fixed Lars? Im ready to buy one of these lads. St.Fursey was too last time we met. Il see him tonight & will confirm.
You should probably contact Don in crankandstein sooner rather than later and ask him for the group buy rate while our purchases are still fresh in his head. I spoke to him on the phone. He came across very well
I was under the impression you wanted one too Lars? If you still do then could you take care of the group buy as you've already made contact with them?
edit: That was Alex I was thinking of. Sorry Lars.
Tube reminded me of this last night. We need a third buyer I think. I'm ready to go on a buy for this one. Let's not let it go cold.
1. Alex
2. Hop Bomb
3. ...?
Thanks Tube!
1. Alex
2. Hop Bomb
3. St. Fursey
Any more takers? I'll organise this one if we can get cash collected between us.
How much are they?
Yes please. I dont know which to get though...
Emailed Don there.
I'll let you know as soo as I hear.
2S seems grand to me.
We got away with not paying the VAT first time round,hopefully our man in the USA sends them the same way and the G men here do not spot them :).
Okay, got word back from Don there. Needs to know which types and how many lads.
Nice one Alex. How much for the 3E & the 3D?
QuoteOkay, got word back from Don there. Needs to know which types and how many lads.
Im in
QuoteQuoteNice one Alex. How much for the 3E & the 3D?
You don't need em. 2S is all you'll ever need. Trust me!
Taf has both, and says the 3 series is overkill.
The extra roller will improve efficiency, is it worth that much extra money probably not and easy way to achieve same is 2 passes of course
Okay here goes.
1. Alex - 2S
1. Alex - 2S
2. Hop Bomb - 2S
1. Alex - 2S
2. Hop Bomb - 2S
3. Cathal O D - 2S
1. Alex - 2S
2. Hop Bomb - 2S
3. Cathal O D - 2S
4. Cambrinus - 2S
1. Alex - 2S
2. Hop Bomb - 2S
3. Cathal O D - 2S
4. Cambrinus - 2S
5. St. Fursey - 2S
Spotted that bit further back on the thread. Thanks Tube. Hoping we can get another. Looks like it's all 2S which is good. I might know someone who's not on the forum who might be interested but it would be better to keep it all here I think.
Ok for 72Euros I will fill the last space
1. Alex - 2S
2. Hop Bomb - 2S
3. Cathal O D - 2S
4. Cambrinus - 2S
5. St. Fursey - 2S
6. Dodge - 2S
Awesome! Who do I paypal my lunch money to? :)
Or bank transfer????
Any news?
Ready when you are....
-F
Still woking on it. It seems Don isn't keen to do a wholesale price as he's too busy with orders so I've contacted Monster Mils to see if they'd be interested for the exposure. Haven't heard back yet.
Yep.
He was interested and all seemed well there. Just got the email back from him after I said we had 6 guys and we were ready to go, saying that at least we'd save on the shipping. We might still have to go with it but I'd like to try and see what else is out there. I'll email Monster again tonight.
Monster look equally as good if not better. Nice one Alex.
Im out of his group buy if thats cool. I just spoke to Mattco on the phone & Im buying his 2s mill. Thanks a million Alex for trying to sort it.
I can't seem to find the price for this
hi,if your looking for a sixth person for numbers id be interested.
Bump.
Any more news on this?
I'd also be interested in one please
Not sure what the status on these mills is but getting the list back, adding all who vouched an interest:
1. Alex - 2S
2. Cathal O D - 2S
3. Cambrinus - 2S
4. St. Fursey - 2S
5. Dodge - 2S
6. Tube (Club buy)?
7. Trombyy
8. Cara
If this is still goin ahead?
1. Alex - 2S
2. Cathal O D - 2S
3. Cambrinus - 2S
4. St. Fursey - 2S
5. Dodge - 2S
6. Tube (Club buy)?
7. Trombyy
8. Cara
9. Damo
What's plan B?
Ok, not knowing where this was going I emailed Don. As per the previous reply, he's too busy with orders and won't give the discount. If orders are in 3 then there is a saving in the shipping.
At the listed price for the 2S model and shipping, orders of 3 works out at about €87 each
Yeah, I said that the min order would be for 6 but that there could be more. Not to sure why he won't give the discount again.
I'm going to look around still just incase an order can be got cheaper
Was there reply from MonsterMill?
Hey lads.
I'm back from the dead!
Haven't been able to log into the site for ages and I'm very sorry I haven't been chasing Monster Mills on this.
I've handed this over to CARA as I just can't chase this any longer with work I'm doing at the moment.
I've cash put aside for the mill and I'm still in if this comes through.
Sorry again.
Maybe Way late , but if I can squeeze in to this too I will!
A quick count shows 9 people interested.
It seems Don (Crankandstein) is very busy, so I emailed Fred of MonsterMill to quote me on his very best price for 9 x MM-2 mills shipped to Ireland.
-Frans
Ok, so this was the reply from MonsterMill...
QuoteMM-2 - $111.15 x 9 = $1000.35
Shipping = $315 (we can ship 10 for the same price)
total - $1315.35
If you want them to different addresses, as long as they go to the same place in pairs, (two in each box to the same address) that's doable.
Assuming there will be 9 in on the order this works out on about €112 per mill. Ordering 10 mills would make very little difference on the overall price. Approx. €108 per mill. Depending on exchange rate.
Also I'm not sure about possible customs charges.
Let me know how ye guys want to proceed (or not).
I'm still up for it.
Thanks,
-F
I'm still up for it. Thanks for the hard work
Yep I'll chip in. Fair play on this.
Lets go ahead so and wrap this one up quickly.
Please confirm if you're still in:
Note this is on a MonsterMill MM-2
1. Alex
2. Cathal O D
3. Cambrinus
4. St. Fursey
5. Dodge
6. Trombyy
7. Cara
8. Damo
9. DaMun
Yep me too!
Lads!
Before we progress I'm in communication with both Don (crank and Stein) and Fref( monster mill)
The deal originally granted to the 1st and 2nd group buy wont be given but discounts can be given for shipping
I'll post up price for both tomorrow and go from there. At the end if we can save up to 20 euro per mill, it all helps in the end
Yep, count me in.
Any discounts appreciated.
This homebrew lark! Damn money pit ::)
What was the VAT/ Tax on the last Crank and Stein Group buy? I'm guessing we should allow 20 to 25 % ??? All imports from outside the EU are liable to it.
Still a good price but gonna be 140-150 by the time we gets to crankin grain!!
That's what Homebrew company grain mills sell for :-(
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345 euro for similar Mill with funnel and mounting board..... the funnel and mounting board look very reverse engineerable!!! perhaps for a group meet!!!?
Omg!
I was tempted to join at one stage but
for something that I use for 10 minutes every 6 weeks :-(
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Quote from: DaMun on May 01, 2013, 07:54:12 AM
What was the VAT/ Tax on the last Crank and Stein Group buy? I'm guessing we should allow 20 to 25 % ??? All imports from outside the EU are liable to it.
Still a good price but gonna be 140-150 by the time we gets to crankin grain!!
There was no tax applied, I think they came in between 60 and 70 euros each delivered on the one I did
Here we go! I have received the last reply, converted the prices in to Euros at todays rates.
Option 1
Monster mill MM2 (6" rollers) - at this price we have to order 10 mills and at least 4 hoppers
Hoppers each Euro 39
Mills each Euro 104
Option 2
Monster mill MM2 (6" rollers) - 9 mills only
Mills each Euro 111
Option 3
Crank and Stein 2S (4" rollers) - 9 mills only
Mills each Euro 87
Option 5
Millars Mills from Electro brew B3 (8" rollers) - 10 mills and hoppers combined
Mill and hopper each Euro 117
Option 6
Cereal killer grain mill from Adventures in homebrewing (5" rollers) - 9 mills and hoppers combined
Mill and hopper each Euro 105
Some options had to be ordered in 10 although there are only 9 takers on the list. Also some had to have hoppers for the discount given.
We all have to decide on the one only!
Once the decision has been made on the preferred option, I suggest we mark the price up to account for any currency fluctuation or customs.
Dodge, job well done!
My preference is:
1 - Option 2 (MonsterMill)
2 - Option 3 (Crankandstein)
And would consider:
3 - Option 1 (MonsterMill & hopper)
Option 5 and 6 look like good value and ready to go. Anyone know what they are like?
Crank and who? Option 5 8 inches of hardened steel. Perhaps the new kid on the block but looks good. Dodge great work on options, but 6 options 9 people.......... we might be here a while. I'll go with the majority regardless.
I wouldn't mind the convenience of having a hopper supplied so options 5 and 1 would be my preference. Option 3 also looks good as I reckon I could make a hopper on the cheap
Great job on the list,
My preference
1 - Option 3
2 - Option 5
Nice one.. ;)
Option 3 for me.
tho I will go with majority. Where's the thank you button?
Maybe put a vote button on the post. I dont know how its done
I've sent a pm to Alex and Cara to get their option preferences. They are the last 2
Option 3 please
Here is the final list!
We are still 1 person short but I think we should move soon.
I have also allowed all to keep their preferred option or near enough and have got confirmation both from both companies that we will purchase from
Millars Mills B3 complete mill and hopper
Dodge
Cathal O D
St Fursey
DaMun
Total price converted Euro 118.16 each (need to bring price up to cover any extras - suggestions?)
Crank and Stein 2S mill only
Alex (no reply yet but this is the initial one he chose)
Cambrinus
Cara
Damo
Trombyy
(One more taker needed)
Total price converted Euro 80.05 (Don Came down on price slightly)(need to bring price up to cover any extras - suggestions?)
Please can all let me know if they are happy with list. Any changes to your options need to be made soon but to remember that we have to try to keep the quantities form the 2 companies the same since this is the best deals that I can get with shipping included
Thanks Shane. The mills are shipped in 3 and the reduced price per mill and shipping is why we have to order the 6. If after all have confirmed there choice and there is still no takers, it would be great if the club could purchase. As you said, there will be no issue selling the last one
C&S 2S mill for me
Nice one Roger.
-F
Im happy with the millars b3. Great work Dodge
Hi lads,
Just got back to internet now. I'm happy to go with the Millars Mill and hopper job and have cash ready to go. If you've already put mine through as crank and stien no bother but if there's time there I'd prefer the hopper and mill job.
Thanks for all this great work.
I'd like to switch mine to my second choice, the Millars Mills from Electro brew B3,
i hope im not messing up the numbers for the discount, if so leave mine as it was,
thanks again
OK so as I can follow this, put a final list here.
Hi Brian. I will post up the list tomorrow evening and I'll pm you with the invoice details Etc. have to balance my shift work and correspondence with the states
Quote from: Dodge on May 04, 2013, 05:28:38 PM
Here is the final list!
We are still 1 person short but I think we should move soon.
I have also allowed all to keep their preferred option or near enough and have got confirmation both from both companies that we will purchase from
Millars Mills B3 complete mill and hopper
Dodge
Cathal O D
St Fursey
DaMun
Total price converted Euro 118.16 each (need to bring price up to cover any extras - suggestions?)
Crank and Stein 2S mill only
Alex (no reply yet but this is the initial one he chose)
Cambrinus
Cara
Damo
Trombyy
(One more taker needed)
Total price converted Euro 80.05 (Don Came down on price slightly)(need to bring price up to cover any extras - suggestions?)
Please can all let me know if they are happy with list. Any changes to your options need to be made soon but to remember that we have to try to keep the quantities form the 2 companies the same since this is the best deals that I can get with shipping included
Has the order been placed yet? If not I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop out of this one - sorry for anouncing this so late inthe day.
However if it upsets the group buy, I'll honour my commitment.
The order was sent last night and I'm waiting for the reply!
Everyone on the list is in now.
If you need someone to take a c&s mill I'll take it. Cheers...
Here's the latest update
An Email had been sent back out to Crank and Stein and Millars Mills to finalise the new list over the weekend, and I just got a reply from both today
There is no changes allowed. All that have there name in are in for the buy.
Millars Mills B3
Order delayed by an week due to production
Dodge
Cathal O D
Alex
Trombyy
Damun
St Fursey
Crank and Stein
Waiting for invoice
Cambrinus
Cara
Damo
Crank and Stein mills payment:
Cambrinus
Cara
Damo
Can you lodge payment to the home brew club for Euro 82. ( 1 Euro added for currency fluctuation)
Dodge,
I can't view the payment details on http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1352886265
Can you forward me the details?
-F
Noted
Cheers Tube.
Lads, The C&S price seems to have no Importation tax added or does the group buy price include that.
Or is one of the benefits of Club membership that the Club takes the non EU importation taxes?? Because items coming from the US are liable to this. There is a methods to avoid ..... not evade and if they are employed great. otherwise the receiver may be given a COD requirement before the goods are handed over.
Just asking! As there may be additional costs
Actually the a/c for payments could be a sticky in the group buy section.
Quote from: DaMun on May 10, 2013, 10:21:39 AM
Lads, The C&S price seems to have no Importation tax added or does the group buy price include that.
Or is one of the benefits of Club membership that the Club takes the non EU importation taxes?? Because items coming from the US are liable to this. There is a methods to avoid ..... not evade and if they are employed great. otherwise the receiver may be given a COD requirement before the goods are handed over.
Just asking! As there may be additional costs
The last group buy slipped past the lads and lassie's out in the Naas road depot. I know somebody working there and after checked (in a tell nuttin kind of way) with him how and he said understaffed and overworked,pot luck.
Haven't been online in a while sorry, money will be lodged Monday am
I'll also be lodging cash into Ulster bank tomorrow morn.
Transferred
Done :)
Hopper build...
http://wardiesworld.wordpress.com/category/brewing/grainmill/
Nice one John!
Payment plus fees in via PayPal, apologies for delay
82 or the mill I paid in 85 something
Latest update
The crank and stein mill order has gone through and I'm just waiting for Don to email me shipping details. So that's the 3 mills ordered
For those that wanted the mill and hopper from Millars mills and that includes myself, unfortunately there is a backlog with production and Todd has just informed me it will be the end of the month.
I know it's taking some time but there is nothing else to do but wait.
Anymore news and I will update
Thanks for your patience! :)
Thanks for the update.
Thanks Dodge
If anyone is getting rid of their old mill, my mate is on the look out!
Thanks again Dodge!
Quote from: CARA on May 21, 2013, 12:24:46 PM
If anyone is getting rid of their old mill, my mate is on the look out!
Thanks again Dodge!
ha ha pull the otter one.
You have to say trade mark after that sentence!
Crank and stein mills will be shipped out on Friday
So when all yer mills arrive you are going to need a shed load of whole malt :)
So please join the NHC as the next Malt GB will be epic!!
How many tons can one HB group buy??
Any more news on this?
At the moment they are somewhere between Miami sorting office and here. Hopefully not too long to wait. Sorry!
No worries just wanted to know what the craic was.
Any word on the Monster Mills?
Quote from: Dodge on May 08, 2013, 05:36:01 PM
Here's the latest update
There is no changes allowed. All that have there name in are in for the buy.
Millars Mills B3
Dodge
Cathal O D
Alex
Trombyy
Damun
St Fursey
I have contacted Todd this week and he will let me know via email next week.
This list above was the finalized list for the Millar mills and the order will be put through next week once Todd gives me the invoice.
With the luck of the draw, the 3 Crank and Stein mills that arrived a couple of days ago were caught with customs charges. That being said, when I get the invoice I will have to add a bit on to cover this.
As you are all aware there are mills and hoppers available via Homebrewwest. I personally am going to stick with Millar mills.
Since its been a few weeks, if the above takers no longer wish to be involved let me know now otherwise I will assume its still a go ahead. St Fursey has opted out.
Thanks for your patience and understanding
Thanks Dodge,
Forgot it was Millars Mills. Even better!
I'm still in so no worries.
I get worried I've missed something.
I'm still in, don't mind the wait.
Thanks guys!
Just a pity it's taken so long but I think the end is near. I have a couple of bags of grain just waiting to be ground ;D
I'm still in too. They're going to be "Worth waiting for" ...... :P
Im in
Is there any news on the C&S mills yet? Still stuck in customs?
-F
Cheers Tube. That would be great. I get on to Roger to see how best to get him the €13
Thanks again,
-F
Are we sorting payment for Millars Mills yet?
Quote from: Alex Lawes on June 15, 2013, 12:39:37 PM
Are we sorting payment for Millars Mills yet?
Yep, it's mentioned on a different thread.
Quote from: Alex Lawes on June 15, 2013, 12:39:37 PM
Are we sorting payment for Millars Mills yet?
It's under Millar B3 mills and just need your name down saying you've paid.
Just waiting on ya! ::)
Right, sorry lads. Hadn't noticed the new thread.
Paid that €139 direct to the club account.
All ready to go and sorry for the hold-up.
QuoteI have your mill, will bring it to Cork on the June the 22nd.
Tube,
Are you still ok to bring the mill to Cork on Saturday?
Cheers,
-F