Hi all,
Some of you may know already that TOG's (http://www.tog.ie/) (Capital brewers brewday HQ) landlord is not going to renew their lease so they have to find a new location in the next 8 weeks. There are several dozen city centre options that could cater for their requirements.
One of the members asked me what I thought of a potential co-location with TOG for capital brewers. What that would mean that there would be a dedicated brewing area for all the equipment, fermentation fridges, grain storage etc.. The size of this area would be proportional to the number of regular contributors. A contributor would get key access and be able to brew themselves any-time they wanted while brew-days would stay the same as usual where anyone can come along.
Several brewers have already kindly offered equipment which, up until now, there hasn't really been any room to store in TOG. In terms of fixed costs, TOG have to pay for electricity, gas and rent and a contributors' money goes towards paying those bills. To give an idea of costs, the costs of being a TOG member are between €20 and €45/month depending on your ability to pay. I have been a member for more than a year so that I can run the brewdays within the rules. With a current membership count of 40+ and rent of around €1400/month you can see roughly where the cash goes.
Just wanted to get peoples thoughts as if there is enough interest I will put the time into setting all this up, if not I will leave things set up as they currently are.
Sounds like something with potential, I'd be up for something like that. What would the story be, would a paying capital brewers member be equivalent to a tog member?
It sounds like it's best to be full to members as well as capital for something like this. Could be a fun social way of handling brew days and pooling resources for equipment and supplies though, kinda like a cooperative brew community.
A big thing would be parking for transporting brews to and from the site for brew days.
Quote from: brian_c on January 17, 2015, 07:46:05 PM
Sounds like something with potential, I'd be up for something like that. What would the story be, would a paying capital brewers member be equivalent to a tog member?
Yeah I think the best thing would to be a full TOG member, it would give you better value then as you would have access to all the workshop equipment, welders, saws, laser cutter, 3D printer etc..
Parking is definitely going to be a plus, one of the requirements for the new space is a yard for parking and burning stuff/brewing. Its not guaranteed though...
It'd be great to have a dedicated brewspace, just for inspiration, I used to be a member of this club in Chicago:
https://www.chaosbrewclub.net/about/brewhouse
It was a very organised outfit with a lot of members but it also came from humble beginnings. It would be great to have something like this in Dublin and something that is not just open to Capital members, maybe it could be something run for all Dublin members but with it's location somewhere central for all? Would there be interest in that from North and South county brewers? Maybe that's something for a year or two down the road. They used to sub funding with parties at the brewhouse where friends and non-members would pay a small fee and get free beer and BBQ in return. It was great.
Anyway, back to the point, I'd be very interested in using a communal space with all amenities. I would also be willing to donate equipment. One thing that put me off TOG was the cost of membership at €45 per month, I think this is quite expensive and €20 being far more reasonable as a standard.
OK, I think you can count me in on this. €45 a month does seem a little excessive, but €25ish is reasonable. Would there be an upper limit on members though?
Id be keen to get involved too.
Quote from: Bock on January 17, 2015, 08:34:33 PM
Was gonna say that parking at TOG was limited. It would be nice to have a place with lots of parking.
Only trouble with that is it'd likely mean it'd be on an industrial estate with limited public transport access. If its within cycling distance once it moves I'd definitely be interested.
I agree completely agree about the membership pricing, that will be a the first point of negotiation as no way am I expecting people to pay €45/month for this. I don't know about an upper limit on members, its not a problem I see us having in the short term although we would have to set-up an online booking system pretty much straight away. The more interested parties I have when I go to the TOG AGM next Saturday (24th Jan) the more negotiating power I have. I might suggest that we would pay for our own electricity/water as a show of good faith if we got a lower price, we could just install our own meters to keep track (It would probably end up costing €2/brew). The scope for any new location is that it must be within 20 minutes walk of O'Connell street. In fairness it has always been handy to pop into the nearest pub after a brew-day and get any range of buses or trains home.
Vermelho, your old club looks fantastic! I would never have even thought of doing half of the stuff they have there, it is exactly what we should be aspiring to. The way they do their membership (https://www.chaosbrewclub.net/membership) is also very interesting as its proportional to how much you use the space/equipment and gives you different levels of entitlements. So at the lowest subscription level you can attend, next you can brew but supervised, next level brew on your own and ferment in a temperature controlled fridge etc... If the facilities were that good I would be weighing up the prospect of leaving my equipment in there permanently as a fridge for fermentation temperature control is the one thing that I cant do in the apartment due to space issues.
In terms of other Clubs it would of course be open to anyone that wants to become a member! I suppose I concentrated on Capital as we have the most to gain from it in terms of space issues. A lot of brewers outside the city have sheds and gardens and wouldn't have much of a need for such a space. I'm going to start a list here just to keep track of the people that are interested (you aren't committing to anything at this stage, its just to give me an idea of numbers).
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
I have an interest, mainly from the pooled resources side, like an active yeast bank and centralised specialised ewuipment etc, rather than necessarily needing the brew space.
Count me interested. I'll finally make it to a meeting sometime I swear!
Quote from: shiny on January 18, 2015, 06:23:15 PM
Vermelho, your old club looks fantastic! I would never have even thought of doing half of the stuff they have there, it is exactly what we should be aspiring to. The way they do their membership (https://www.chaosbrewclub.net/membership) is also very interesting as its proportional to how much you use the space/equipment and gives you different levels of entitlements. So at the lowest subscription level you can attend, next you can brew but supervised, next level brew on your own and ferment in a temperature controlled fridge etc... If the facilities were that good I would be weighing up the prospect of leaving my equipment in there permanently as a fridge for fermentation temperature control is the one thing that I cant do in the apartment due to space issues.
In terms of other Clubs it would of course be open to anyone that wants to become a member! I suppose I concentrated on Capital as we have the most to gain from it in terms of space issues. A lot of brewers outside the city have sheds and gardens and wouldn't have much of a need for such a space. I'm going to start a list here just to keep track of the people that are interested (you aren't committing to anything at this stage, its just to give me an idea of numbers).
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
I'm not sure how they afforded everything but they all used to seem to have various contacts and they were a very talented bunch from a trades perspective so no job was too big. The brew house was also in an industrial estate just outside of the city but everyone was willing to travel to it as having everything at your reach meant your brew day was seamless. Also meant no mess at home and no equipment build up which was nice (although that's also part of the fun for some I suppose). Maybe the Kildare and Meath brewers would be interested also. Generally they're only 40 mins away?
Sounds great though, count me in and let me know if there's meeting's that need attending etc. I will also make a meetup soon just haven't been able to with my current job travelling around the country. I'll be in a new job from Feb which is in Dublin so I'd love to become a more active member.
So updated list is:
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
05. molc possibly??
06. armedcor
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
05. molc possibly??
06. armedcor
07. pdb
Just wondering how this would work, would we all pay in for use of Tog solely for brewing or become full members? Access to decent gear and avoiding duplication of effort would be great as well.
Quote from: Bock on January 19, 2015, 10:53:47 AM
Is this list for those interesting in co-locating with TOG, or for something else?
Its a list for co-locating with TOG, if the number of contributors grew to a large enough level then at a future point we could go out on our own. I see no reason for that not to happen in the long term. In the short term it's the realistic option as 10 people paying €25/month for example doesn't even come close to the €1400+ that would be required.
In terms of how it would work, becoming a full TOG member is the easiest option in that everything is already set-up for that to happen in terms of rules, finances, trial periods and so on. Adding different subscription tiers is more overheads for us but I think it has to happen, to use molc as an example, it wouldn't be fair to expect him to be paying the full whack. That said, I could propose this next weekend and be quietly told to piss off with myself as I'm going to be arguing with people already paying €45/month that we should only be paying €25.
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
05. molc possibly??
06. armedcor
07. pdb
08. Ferg
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
05. molc possibly??
06. armedcor
07. pdb
08. Ferg
09. Beerfly
Quote from: Bock on January 19, 2015, 10:53:47 AM
Is this list for those interesting in co-locating with TOG, or for something else?
You mean its not the list for the free toaster?
€1400 a month is nuts tbh. You're going to need 60+ people to keep costs reasonable
I was offered a place where Motley brew is located, bigger than his shop for €800 a month.
I'd be interested but not at that price.
Quote from: winstonia on January 20, 2015, 11:01:05 AM
€1400 a month is nuts tbh. You're going to need 60+ people to keep costs reasonable
I was offered a place where Motley brew is located, bigger than his shop for €800 a month.
I'd be interested but not at that price.
The whole point of the thread is about a co-location with TOG. They already are paying €1400 a month with approximately 40+ members and they have been doing this sustainably for 5 years so I wouldn't worry about that aspect. What is being proposed there is that we join up with them as we do not have the means of paying €1400, €800 or anything like it ourselves at the moment. The idea is that we would bring something like 200-300/month and get a certain square footage of their space.
25-45 quid a month to be a keyholder for a city centre space like this seems like good value to me.
I could store some of my gear, drop in weekdays after work to do a starter or some bottling, brew there and leave my FVs there, look to work on projects for temp control etc with the other members and eventually look to get a larger kit together for bigger co-brewed batches. Space permitting we could hold the monthly meets there. Stick in a few tables and chairs, some kegs and taps and youve got a social club for Capital too. Its a no brainer with loads of potential to develop.
Quote from: phoenix on January 20, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
25-45 quid a month to be a keyholder for a city centre space like this seems like good value to me.
I could store some of my gear, drop in weekdays after work to do a starter or some bottling, brew there and leave my FVs there, look to work on projects for temp control etc with the other members and eventually look to get a larger kit together for bigger co-brewed batches. Space permitting we could hold the monthly meets there. Stick in a few tables and chairs, some kegs and taps and youve got a social club for Capital too. Its a no brainer with loads of potential to develop.
Well if that's the price than it sounds reasonable. I'm in D3. Could donate a 60L mash tun that needs a bit of tlc in the seals and a 33L stock pot..
Quote from: phoenix on January 20, 2015, 12:15:35 PMSpace permitting we could hold the monthly meets there. Stick in a few tables and chairs, some kegs and taps and youve got a social club for Capital too. Its a no brainer with loads of potential to develop.
That in a nutshell is why an idea like this is great. You give a space for members to coordinate and meet. The rest will just evolve dynamically. Though I think it should be a more inclusive NHC thing rather than just capital. We have a big brew community in Dublin, so the more the merrier in my mind. Think of even just having a space where all the group buys can be delivered and distributed. You could even bulk buy grain as a club and have members buy from the club on brew days; basically operating as a co-op for the group.
The possibilities are endless when you have a centralised space...
Okay so updated list:
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
05. molc possibly??
06. armedcor
07. pdb
08. Ferg
09. Beerfly
10. Phoenix
11. Winstonia
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
05. molc possibly??
06. armedcor
07. pdb
08. Ferg
09. Beerfly
10. Winstonia
Im enthusiastic about the idea but not so much that I need to be added twice :)
01. Shiny
02. Vermelho
03. brian_c
04. phoenix
05. molc possibly??
06. armedcor
07. pdb
08. Ferg
09. Beerfly
10. Winstonia
11. DCBrewing
Sign me up too, if within 20mins of O'Connell St it's doable for me on the bike.
Initial comments are positive from some of the TOG members so I will have a good deal of support at the AGM on Saturday. Thing's I'm going to mention are:
- Tiered pricing
- Space available (for equipment, parking depends on the final space chosen)
- Water/Electricity charges
- Fund for new/specialist equipment (ie a portion of the monthly fee should go towards this)
- What type of facilities are we aiming to have (Yeast bank & slanting kit, Temperature controlled chambers, microscopes, grain/hop storage etc...)
Is there anything else that people want me to ask for clarification at the AGM?
Its probably way way down the road but should we get our area in there HACCP certified?
I remember the first ever brewday we had there!
Great work Shiny on setting the ball rolling on a more formal relationship between the capital brewers and Tog!!
Best of luck this afternoon!
Best of luck Shane, fair play for your efforts so far
Thanks lads, heading in there in a few hours to put forward our case! 6th birthday party afterwards and ye are all welcome to drop in if around. I will update the thread with any information that I get but all I am really looking for from TOG at the moment is a Yes/No to move things forward and what sort of space we can expect to have in m2. If I get the go ahead then we can start planning what we want to do with the place.
Hope all goes well Shane!
Next TOG location: Try to get a 9999 year lease!
At the party now but im approved to give full member access for €20/month. TOG are delighted to have the brewers work with them. We have proven ourselves to be a friendly and reliable bunch since the start and that has really paid off.
I let them know what we would need in terms of space, at least 3 chest freezers for fermentation, lagaring and a keezer. ;) In addition to deep sinks, equipment for brewing, etc...
Im going to be in the comittee to find new locations so will be able to influence it to an extent. Ie parking, space, etc
Amazing! All sounds very positive.
Excellent news. Well done. This will be a great addition to the community.
Excellent news, well done Shiny. Already ideas are running through my head about what to do.
Great news, well done Shane
Have a think about what type of facilities we would like to have beyond brewing equipment which of course would be a given. Specialised things that people wouldn't normally have at home that they could drop in and use when needed. Here is an example of the facilities Vermelho's brewclub had on offer:
- Temperature Controlled Fermentation Room
- Filtered Water
- Natural Gas Blichmann Floor Burners
- A Gas Range/Stove
- Large and Small Brewing Kettles
- Mash Tuns
- Deep Basin Sinks for Cleaning
- Automated Power Grain Mill
- Both Immersion and Counter Flow Wort Chillers
- Various Spoons, Siphons, Hosing and Strainers
- Aeration Wands
- Hydrometers, Thermometers, and Refractometers
- Measuring bowl, Cups, and Scales
- Misc. Brewing equiment
I can add 5 or 6 sets of full yeast management kits to that list for example so people could come in put on a starter and collect it the day before they pitched if suitable.
Quote from: shiny on January 24, 2015, 09:01:04 PM
At the party now but im approved to give full member access for €20/month. TOG are delighted to have the brewers work with them. We have proven ourselves to be a friendly and reliable bunch since the start and that has really paid off.
I let them know what we would need in terms of space, at least 3 chest freezers for fermentation, lagaring and a keezer. ;) In addition to deep sinks, equipment for brewing, etc...
Im going to be in the comittee to find new locations so will be able to influence it to an extent. Ie parking, space, etc
€20 quid a month has me seriously tempted. A few questions as follow up.
1. Is there a minimum time you can become a member for?
2. How long before you would be able to get access without having to be let in? I would be interested in late night access that suits my nocturnal brewing pattern cause if kids.
3. Does this membership allow access to other equipment that tog has?
Shanna
Quote from: shiny on January 25, 2015, 01:32:36 PM
Have a think about what type of facilities we would like to have beyond brewing equipment which of course would be a given. Specialised things that people wouldn't normally have at home that they could drop in and use when needed. Here is an example of the facilities Vermelho's brewclub had on offer:
- Temperature Controlled Fermentation Room
- Filtered Water
- Natural Gas Blichmann Floor Burners
- A Gas Range/Stove
- Large and Small Brewing Kettles
- Mash Tuns
- Deep Basin Sinks for Cleaning
- Automated Power Grain Mill
- Both Immersion and Counter Flow Wort Chillers
- Various Spoons, Siphons, Hosing and Strainers
- Aeration Wands
- Hydrometers, Thermometers, and Refractometers
- Measuring bowl, Cups, and Scales
- Misc. Brewing equiment
I can add 5 or 6 sets of full yeast management kits to that list for example so people could come in put on a starter and collect it the day before they pitched if suitable.
Storage of that kind of stuff will be important. You know how brewing crap takes up loads of room so I would start thinking about stackable boxes for storage. I have one or two spare that I could give you gratis to get the ball rolling. I hate to say it but if you have shared stuff you also might want to consider some do/don't with respect to what is e expected of people using it.
Shanna
Quote from: Shanna on January 25, 2015, 03:58:57 PM
€20 quid a month has me seriously tempted. A few questions as follow up.
1. Is there a minimum time you can become a member for?
2. How long before you would be able to get access without having to be let in? I would be interested in late night access that suits my nocturnal brewing pattern cause if kids.
3. Does this membership allow access to other equipment that tog has?
Shanna
I don't know if there is a minimum time you can become a member, but it wouldn't really be useful if people were continuously dropping in/out of membership. The rent needs to be paid every month regardless and paperwork needs to be processed every-time there is a new member, in addition to cutting keys, etc... My proposal to TOG was that I could get a good few members if they were paying the low rate. My hope is that this rate is low enough that people would be happy to pay it for a few years before reconsidering their membership?
Normally there is a probationary period of 3 months before becoming a full member. In that time you would need to be visiting the space the odd time so that people get to know you. After the 3 months, if it has been established that you aren't an axe murder, you will get a set of keys and access to the space 24/7. Before that time you would only be allowed in the space when other full members are there.
If you are a full TOG member then yes you have access to everything such as Laser cutter, lathe, work tools, 3D printers, brewing equipment, etc...
I know what you mean in terms of shared stuff potentially getting damaged but for the most part brewing equipment is quite robust. The biggest issue I foresee is people not cleaning equipment properly after themselves. I agree all that will take up a lot of space but it will take us a couple of years to get all of that equipment together. We can start with the essentials and build on that, the more members we have the more space we can use.
Some ideas off the top of my head:
1. Water filtering and treatment in site would be funky, maybe even having some prefiltered and ready for brewing. Since the water would be a known element for the are, you could even have treatment guidelines for beer styles on site.
2. Yeast bank I mentioned before.
3. Rims/herms/electric brewery rig? That could be a real draw for brewing on site.
4. On site taps and kegs, for the more social aspect of sitting around and having a few brews. If you have the space, you might as well make it into a full clubhouse.
5. Barrel storage? Could be handy for the barrel projects etc, where it needs to be left in situ for a while.
Quote from: shiny on January 25, 2015, 04:43:24 PM
Quote from: Shanna on January 25, 2015, 03:58:57 PM
€20 quid a month has me seriously tempted. A few questions as follow up.
1. Is there a minimum time you can become a member for?
2. How long before you would be able to get access without having to be let in? I would be interested in late night access that suits my nocturnal brewing pattern cause if kids.
3. Does this membership allow access to other equipment that tog has?
Shanna
I don't know if there is a minimum time you can become a member, but it wouldn't really be useful if people were continuously dropping in/out of membership. The rent needs to be paid every month regardless and paperwork needs to be processed every-time there is a new member, in addition to cutting keys, etc... My proposal to TOG was that I could get a good few members if they were paying the low rate. My hope is that this rate is low enough that people would be happy to pay it for a few years before reconsidering their membership?
Normally there is a probationary period of 3 months before becoming a full member. In that time you would need to be visiting the space the odd time so that people get to know you. After the 3 months, if it has been established that you aren't an axe murder, you will get a set of keys and access to the space 24/7. Before that time you would only be allowed in the space when other full members are there.
If you are a full TOG member then yes you have access to everything such as Laser cutter, lathe, work tools, 3D printers, brewing equipment, etc...
I know what you mean in terms of shared stuff potentially getting damaged but for the most part brewing equipment is quite robust. The biggest issue I foresee is people not cleaning equipment properly after themselves. I agree all that will take up a lot of space but it will take us a couple of years to get all of that equipment together. We can start with the essentials and build on that, the more members we have the more space we can use.
For new brewer members it's always good to have supervised brew sessions. I know in Chaos you had to do 3 supervised brews with a full member and have the member sign off a sheet each time before you could be a full member. Something like this would allow all users to get familiar with the equipment prior to solo brewing. In general the cleanliness of equipment was never really a problem as brewers should be conscious of cleanliness by default. The only problems I remember happening the odd time was broken equipment, especially hydrometers
With regard to Shanna's point on storage this was achieved through each brew space having hooks to hang equipment and each space having an exact and the same amount of equipment. All other equipment was organised through boxes etc as mentioned by Shanna.
Quote from: molc on January 25, 2015, 05:24:48 PM
Some ideas off the top of my head:
1. Water filtering and treatment in site would be funky, maybe even having some prefiltered and ready for brewing. Since the water would be a known element for the are, you could even have treatment guidelines for beer styles on site.
2. Yeast bank I mentioned before.
3. Rims/herms/electric brewery rig? That could be a real draw for brewing on site.
4. On site taps and kegs, for the more social aspect of sitting around and having a few brews. If you have the space, you might as well make it into a full clubhouse.
5. Barrel storage? Could be handy for the barrel projects etc, where it needs to be left in situ for a while.
I think it would be best to stick with 2 brewspaces at first with different booking slots i.e. morning, afternoon and evening. I also think using gas will be much easier than electric as it's much more user friendly. Equipment I'm sure will build over time but a fermentation room is probably essential. One of the best features of the site was hot water to start off brews as this cut down brew sessions on most occasions by approx. an hour.
Having some mad thoughts here like rain harvesting and solar powered panels that could cut energy & water costs. It would cool to see if conventional filtration for water could treat rain water safely so that it could be used for brewing. Longer term I would love to implement all of these things in my shed at home. They are really long term projects & a bit pie in the sky but it would be super cool to have all water collected + heated for brewing.
Shanna
Hey folks
The possibilities of co-location are great, but how things work out will depend on whatever space we get our hands on!
Tog are looking for a warehouse type facility in the city centre; we're currently looking up places (eg on daft), talking to landlords and viewing the locations.
Nothing much has happened yet, tho we have a 2 month timeframe.
If anyone else can help with this process, such as by suggesting places we could look at, or wants to come view with us it would be great!
PS - tog do their own version of member group buys.
Shiny gave the example of getting a welder -- between tog and brewers we could make getting one capable of welding stainless steel a possibility.
We'll have to work on ways to coordinate on making stuff like this happen!
Quote from: jules on January 25, 2015, 07:19:34 PM
PS - tog do their own version of member group buys.
Shiny gave the example of getting a welder -- between tog and brewers we could make getting one capable of welding stainless steel a possibility.
We'll have to work on ways to coordinate on making stuff like this happen!
Yeah I was talking to Christian about the merits of being able to weld stainless steel in the space and the implications of being able to have stainless steel pots, taps etc....
Would love to get in on this if the ship hasn't sailed.
I still have that boiler there its its still of any use.
Don't worry dude, the ship doesn't sail on this one! We will be continuously adding members and as we get more useful equipment more people will want to join up. Nothing has been decided yet as we cant really plan that much until we know what we have to work with in the new location.
Would I be right in thinking this won't be close to getting off the ground til the end of march?
April probably as there is no point doing anything until TOG have moved to the new location. When that happens we will know what sort of space we have to work with.
Quote from: jules on January 25, 2015, 07:19:34 PM
Shiny gave the example of getting a welder -- between tog and brewers we could make getting one capable of welding stainless steel a possibility.
We'll have to work on ways to coordinate on making stuff like this happen!
I'm probably putting the chicken before the egg here but this might be a decent setup for minimizing the space we would take up brewing. With a few Welders as mentioned above, we could even make a more elaborate version of the below example, plenty of talk of using induction hobs on Whatsapp Capital Brewers chat this week. - could reduce our energy and physical footprint on the premises
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(http://www.homebrewtalk.com/attachments/f253/77878d1349132437-biab-brew-stand-hoist-pump-painted-stand-2.jpg)
Just an Idea anyway, thought I'd post it while it was on my mind
Hey all
We've been looking at properties, and this to me is the standout one:
http://www.property.ie/commercial-property/22-Blackpitts-Off-Clanbrassil-Street-Lower-Dublin-8/126525/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/83234344@N07/sets/72157650359736138
We hope to put in an offer to take half the building (aka 1 floor) asap ...
But we'd need a partner organisation that could take the other floor (as we can only afford half the rent)
a) what do you guys think of the place?
b) do you know of any potential partner orgs to take half?
That looks great. Do they have anyone else looking at it to take the top floor?
Well we are going to ask our neighbours (Modern Green, an on street marketing company) if they would like to go in with us and take the bottom floor, we'd take the top.
The Dublin Food Coop are also interested, meeting them on Tuesday.
If you know any other similar sized groups (who could afford the €1500 monthly rent) that we could contact please let us know!
That looks like an amazing facility! Great location too
The Kernel started out in an arch like this. It had a cellar like atmosphere that was perfect for storing ingredients and product. Not ideal for us but be a nice one for an irish micro. https://www.flickr.com/photos/83234344@N07/sets/72157651062887831/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/83234344@N07/sets/72157651062887831/)
blackpitts one looks massive... will we able to boil inside it though? there's a pic of a big A/C unit or would it be an extractor? https://www.flickr.com/photos/83234344@N07/15882732144/in/set-72157650359736138 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/83234344@N07/15882732144/in/set-72157650359736138)
Railway arches might be a good place for brewing Belgium's ;)
Hi just an update -- Tog got a 6 month extension so the pressure is off a bit.
There is a place on Mountjoy square that you guys might be interested in seeing anyway?
Also: tog is having a social event this saturday - come along for some wood fired pizza, home brewed beer and all sorts of other stuff!
The guys have been asking a lot when the next brewday is :)
PS - i have a bunch of wood I am thinking of turning into a brewing cabinet to have in Tog, maybe some of you guys could give a hand with it?
Just a quick update on this, TOG are moving to the new location at "22 Blackpitts (https://goo.gl/maps/Fx7XoYcSvXt)" near the headline bar. Equipment and contents will be moved from the current location to the new location over the next 3 weeks with the official change over to the new location on November 1st. Nothing firm planned in terms of internal layout yet.
Sound slike we need a "reunion/welcome to new home bash".
In the early days I really enjoyed TOG on a Sunday.
PS: They had better bring the Yellow Ducks!
Definitely! On both counts.
TOG update. (Silicon Republic write-up (https://www.siliconrepublic.com/innovation/2016/01/29/togs-seventh-birthday-party-a-makers-delight))
TOG moved into the new blackpitts location (https://www.google.ie/maps/place/TOG/@53.3344837,-6.2776581,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x48670c276dd08a1b:0x3ea2c292d3fc73bf) late last year and the last 6 weeks in particular have been quite busy putting up walls and painting in the space. There have been nearly 20 new paying members added since the last update and that seems to be increasing as people see the new space and its potential.
This evening at the AGM TOG will make its transition from the existing club "TOG" to the limited company "TOG Hackerspace Designated Activity Company" or TOG DAC for short. Transitioning to a company makes things easier/safer in a lot of different ways from paying bills, getting insured, getting paid for events from other companies, limiting liability of members, etc...
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There is a rough guideline on how the place is going to come together over the next 12 months or so:
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Black Wall Lines (Preexisting):
WC - Toilets [Complete]
LB - Loading Bay [Access only]
K Kitchen [Almost complete]
Almost completely fitted at this stage
Red Wall Lines (First Phase):
1 - Common Room [Complete]
Couches, tables & chairs, projector wall, tuck shop.
2 - Class Room One [Complete]
Table & chairs, projector wall, white/black boards.
3 - Fabrication Room [Almost complete]
Laser cutter, 3D printer, large printers, high work tables & chairs,
electronics lab.
Green Wall Lines (Second Phase):
4 - Workshop
Workshop equipment tools, work benches, main workshop storage. Two
full bays might be excessive, so some form of subdivision for storage
should be considered.
5 - Class Room Two/Three
Table & chairs, projector wall, white/black boards. Optional moveable
wall for larger/multiple classes.
Cyan Wall Lines (Third Phase):
6 - Storage
Members box storage, lost and found sub room.
7 - Miscellaneous Rooms
This area will likely be split into smaller rooms; quite/study room, wet
room (photo/brewing), clean/craft work area, etc.
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As it stands it looks like section 7 is going to be the most suitable room for brewing. It is beside the toilets to there will be easier access to ventilation, water and drainage. This room will be classed as a "wet room" and will house all activities that involve water or chemicals. The ceilings are very high so the idea would be to install a lot of shelving and get everything off the ground. Beneath the shelves can be things like freezers, sinks, etc.
As it stands there are now 5 brewers who are full TOG members. TOG is having its 7th birthday party tonight (Saturday) at 7.30pm and anyone who wants to drop in is more than welcome. :)
What's involved in becoming a member? how much etc.
Can the NHC sponsor a brewday or 2 throughout the year with nominal cash contribution or ingredients?
Make a proposal to the NHC officers.
I'm happy to sponsor ingredients for one as I bought a shit load of gear to brew over Christmas and never did.
That offer would apply to any party countrywide interested in promotion or education in Homebrew.
Congrats to all involved. That looks like a great facility.
Only short walk to the Headline as well!
Cheers Will, I pretty much drop into the headline every time I'm in TOG now. :)
Quote from: CH on January 30, 2016, 02:57:52 PM
What's involved in becoming a member? how much etc.
Can the NHC sponsor a brewday or 2 throughout the year with nominal cash contribution or ingredients?
Make a proposal to the NHC officers.
I'm happy to sponsor ingredients for one as I bought a shit load of gear to brew over Christmas and never did.
That offer would apply to any party countrywide interested in promotion or education in Homebrew.
The best way to start is to go to some of the group nights (http://www.meetup.com/Tog-Dublin-Hackerspace/) to get a feel for the place.
This is the blurb that new signups get:
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The way it works is that you are a probationary member for a minimum of 3 months. The clock starts when you make your first payment. After 3 months you might be proposed for full member..... then you get your own key. This is usually a formality. The reason I say "might" however, is that if you don't become known to the community, then a key might not be granted simply because nobody knows you.
Currently, the standard rate is 45 Euro p/m (approx 10.40 per week). If you cannot afford this, you can pay less. The minimum amount is 20 Euro p/m (approx 4.60 per week). If you are going to pay less than 45 p/m, we ask that you pay what you can honestly afford, rather than what you would like to pay. If it was a simple choice, we would all choose the minimum rate and we couldn't even pay our rent. So if you can afford 41 Euro p/m or 22 or 37, then pay that amount. Currently TOG needs an average subscription of about 36 Euro p/m to break even.
We ask you to think about the value of membership and not just the cost. The standard rate of 45 euro p/m is equivalent to just 10.40 per week. This gives you 7x24 access to the space with all its tools and equipment, as well as a great community of makers and do'ers. Consider this against the cost of one return bus journey to town at maybe 6 euro.....or one take away pizza that can cost 10 euro. You can change your amount up or down any time as your circumstances change. Everything goes to keeping a roof over our head. You're not paying to me, or a committee or some business. As a member, you own the space, so you're spending on you!
Interesting well offer of free ingredients still stands, proximity of the Headline swung it for me?
Cheers for the offer for ingredients. Once all the infrastructure is in place to do a brew I will take you up on that!
At the moment we are concentrating on getting a deep catering sink that would fit a fermenter
Excited about this, as soon as the place is ready for a brew day I will be there to film it.
Cheers Brian, the workshop will be built first and then the brewery so there will be loads of material for you to record while the mash is on. ;)
Hi chaps,
Shane had mentioned to me that we were trying to put together an inventory of our shared materials. So, here's what I'm contributing (essentially everything I have):
-- 2 stackable Ikea stainless steel shelves (each shelf can hold 75kg I believe). Can support 8 30l fermentors
-- tap mounted pressurised bottle washer
-- bottle washing tree (50+ bottle capacity)
-- Temperature probe and regulator
-- aeration pump and stainless steel stone
-- 2x 52 litre plastic storage barrels with airtight lids. (Great for storing grain, may be able to use for initial stages of fermentation)
-- beer engine for cask ale
-- 25/30l keg
-- 2x 50l stainless steel kegs (tops removed). Were being converted to kettle and lauter tun/mash tun.
-- 2x 35l plastic buckets (fermentation/bottling bucket)
-- 1 35l plastic bucket converted to kettle.
-- 1 30-50l silk bag for brew/mash-in-bag
-- 5x 35l plastic fermentors with taps
-- 5x 5l stainless steel portable kegs + CO2 tap
and of course the random typical stuff: hydrometers, trial meters, irish moss, etc.
I can donate a 50L keggle with a welded tap coupling, tap and a 3kw element. The terminals for the element need to be properly covered but apart from that it's good to go.
I have 50L kegs I could donate, would need to figure out how to get them to Dublin just.
I have lots of bits too but rather than me transfer unused items in my shed to unused items in tog post what you need or are missing
Quote from: John Edward on February 14, 2016, 06:23:16 PM
Hi chaps,
Shane had mentioned to me that we were trying to put together an inventory of our shared materials. So, here's what I'm contributing (essentially everything I have):
-- 2 stackable Ikea stainless steel shelves (each shelf can hold 75kg I believe). Can support 8 30l fermentors
-- tap mounted pressurised bottle washer
-- bottle washing tree (50+ bottle capacity)
-- Temperature probe and regulator
-- aeration pump and stainless steel stone
-- 2x 52 litre plastic storage barrels with airtight lids. (Great for storing grain, may be able to use for initial stages of fermentation)
-- beer engine for cask ale
-- 25/30l keg
-- 2x 50l stainless steel kegs (tops removed). Were being converted to kettle and lauter tun/mash tun.
-- 2x 35l plastic buckets (fermentation/bottling bucket)
-- 1 35l plastic bucket converted to kettle.
-- 1 30-50l silk bag for brew/mash-in-bag
-- 5x 35l plastic fermentors with taps
-- 5x 5l stainless steel portable kegs + CO2 tap
and of course the random typical stuff: hydrometers, trial meters, irish moss, etc.
Wow, that's some amount of equipment!
I will be bringing all of my home equipment, mainly:
30l mash tun
28l burco boiler
4 20/25l bucket fermenters
2 19l plastic carboy fermenters
30m immersion chiller
plus many assorted bits and bobs!
also have an old fridge which needs a bit of work, and an STC 1000 to go with it.
Ciaran has said he will donate all his kegging stuff too.
As I mentioned in the whatsapp I'd like to do an "equipment day" which I'm thinking March 12th (I'm away the next two weekends) where we can assess and evaluate all the equipment that we can put to use, which to chuck away, or what we can feasibly take in donations. It will also allow us to see how soon when we can plan a brewday, and how soon we can start using the space. Also give us an indication of how much space we will need before the rooms are built.
I think I need to propose this to TOG on the mailing list and add it to the calendar? John/Shane can you give me direction on that?
I think the equipment day is a great idea and will be the perfect way to ensure we don't have two of everything.
I don't think you need to propose it as an event or anything because we pretty much meeting up to rummage through what is there, carve out a bit of space for the equipment and chat about what is going to happen. I have added it to the calendar there now.
I'll be along, keep meaning to get more involved
Nice one Shane. I have to have a double batch ready for the may bank holiday weekend so will need to suss out the availability to brew in the following couple of weeks.
Was just talking to Andrew at the 200 Fathoms launch. He wants to donate his grainfather to TOG. I think that would be an amazing addition to the communal set of equipment right?!?
Bloody hell!
While I remember, this is the kit I dropped off:
- GF
- 1 25l fermenter with tap and siphon
- 1 25l fermenter- tap needs to be drilled in (tap supplied)
- 1 large tea ball/strainer
- 1 double handed capper
- 1 paddle
- 3 airlocks/bubblers
- 1 BIAB mesh
- Sundries- old bag of crushed malt; spray malt; brewers sugar; fermentation drops; 50-ish crown caps