Title: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on April 23, 2015, 10:59:28 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on April 23, 2015, 10:59:28 PM
In light of the kegs from HBC I figure there will be a few, newbies such as myself getting into kegging.
Now I have read over the very helpful beginner's guide here on the wiki http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/wordpress/beginners-guide-to-kegging/
However it doesn't answer all the questions I have about getting all the bits together to have a complete set up. One thing I've noticed from looking for CO2 regulators for instance is that there are 1/2" and 3/4" fittings.
When looking for the budget gas tan option i.e. a fire extinguisher, or gas tank for an aquarium are these a standard size?
Also there are Argon/CO2, aquarium etc., regulators...help!!
Now I have read over the very helpful beginner's guide here on the wiki http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/wordpress/beginners-guide-to-kegging/
However it doesn't answer all the questions I have about getting all the bits together to have a complete set up. One thing I've noticed from looking for CO2 regulators for instance is that there are 1/2" and 3/4" fittings.
When looking for the budget gas tan option i.e. a fire extinguisher, or gas tank for an aquarium are these a standard size?
Also there are Argon/CO2, aquarium etc., regulators...help!!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Garry on April 24, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
Post by: Garry on April 24, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
Mybeerandwine (http://www.mybeerandwine.ie/co2-regulators/188-dual-gauge-regulator.html) have a special offer on regulators at the moment. That would be the standard type CO2 regulator that most of us would be using.
I just have a single regulator. If I'm carbing a keg I put the gas on it for a few days at 1 bar. If I want to pour a beer from another keg in the mean time I take the gas off the carbing keg. Reduce the pressure to about 0.2 bar and put the gas onto the serving keg. I just swap the gas around to whatever keg I want to serve from. No manifolds or splitters. It's very basic but it's all you need to begin with. You definitely don't need a carbonation stone unless you are very impatient!
I just have a single regulator. If I'm carbing a keg I put the gas on it for a few days at 1 bar. If I want to pour a beer from another keg in the mean time I take the gas off the carbing keg. Reduce the pressure to about 0.2 bar and put the gas onto the serving keg. I just swap the gas around to whatever keg I want to serve from. No manifolds or splitters. It's very basic but it's all you need to begin with. You definitely don't need a carbonation stone unless you are very impatient!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on April 25, 2015, 01:11:58 AM
Post by: krockett on April 25, 2015, 01:11:58 AM
Garry- really appreciate the info so far...So - for 2 Corny Kegs how many disconnects would you need for the kegs to connect to the Regulator (8 = 2 *2 *2 ?), and to connect the regulator to the taps (2)?
Also - sound like you're saying getting just one regulator that can be switched to connect to two kegs is best option initially. Would there be any reason to buy two (1 keg) regulators, or one fitted with a splitter?
Also - sound like you're saying getting just one regulator that can be switched to connect to two kegs is best option initially. Would there be any reason to buy two (1 keg) regulators, or one fitted with a splitter?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on April 25, 2015, 03:53:16 PM
Post by: auralabuse on April 25, 2015, 03:53:16 PM
Quote from: Mac780 on April 25, 2015, 01:11:58 AMBest way to think about it is to go from keg to tap. So starting with the keg, you will need a gas disconnect and a beer one. They come in pairs on the homebrew shops so that's cool. Next some beer line, a bit to go from the keg to the tap and some from the gas to the keg. Get a pack of jubilee clips for the connections to keep them right. So beer line side, you need a tap, this will have a little bit of beer line coming out from the bottom. To connect this to your beer line you need John guest connections, get a few while your at it, they are dead handy. For cooling you can either get a cooler or just a plain old fridge. So on the gas side, a co2 bottle, aj edge in Bray are great for this. Also a regulator, lots for sale on here or alealex on adverts for about 35 quid. Again jubilee clip around the beer line from regulator to disconnect on your keg. Some people like to use different line to carry gas than beer line but it works fine for me. Most of the bits and pieces are for sale on here. Try to avoid beer line from eBay as it's pants
Garry- really appreciate the info so far...So - for 2 Corny Kegs how many disconnects would you need for the kegs to connect to the Regulator (8 = 2 *2 *2 ?), and to connect the regulator to the taps (2)?
Also - sound like you're saying getting just one regulator that can be switched to connect to two kegs is best option initially. Would there be any reason to buy two (1 keg) regulators, or one fitted with a splitter?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: pob on April 25, 2015, 05:12:23 PM
Post by: pob on April 25, 2015, 05:12:23 PM
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/peterobrien20/Beer/corny%20keg_1.png)
For every keg you will need a Beer Out (Black), Beer Line & a Tap.
For the CO2 you can split the line but, only if you want the same pressure in each keg, e.g. carbonating or serving.
For different pressures you would need something like the Dual Primary version of the regulator.
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So for 2 Corny Kegs, presuming same pressure:
2 Beer Outs (Black)
2 Gas In (Grey) & a John Guest Tee or Y splitter (~€3-4)
For every keg you will need a Beer Out (Black), Beer Line & a Tap.
For the CO2 you can split the line but, only if you want the same pressure in each keg, e.g. carbonating or serving.
For different pressures you would need something like the Dual Primary version of the regulator.
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So for 2 Corny Kegs, presuming same pressure:
2 Beer Outs (Black)
2 Gas In (Grey) & a John Guest Tee or Y splitter (~€3-4)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on April 25, 2015, 07:03:51 PM
Post by: krockett on April 25, 2015, 07:03:51 PM
Thanks guys. So ideally I should rig up two regulators (possibly with a manifold)?
Looks like it's impossible to get female john quest 3/8-3/4 connectors - are these optional as suggested in the diagram? Can you use jubilee clamps instead?
Looks like it's impossible to get female john quest 3/8-3/4 connectors - are these optional as suggested in the diagram? Can you use jubilee clamps instead?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: pob on April 25, 2015, 07:19:14 PM
Post by: pob on April 25, 2015, 07:19:14 PM
Generally people would only have one regulator & adjust the pressure as required; serving ~0.2-0.4 bar?, carbing ~0.8-1.5 bar (>2.0 bar in a rush).
Need others to add to this: I would carb up a keg @ 0.9 for a week or so (2.5 vols @ 2-3°C, check the CO2 Vols calculator (http://www.brewersfriend.com/keg-carbonation-calculator/)), if I've another keg ready for pouring, I'd swap the gas disconnect onto it & reduce pressure down to ~0.3 for the night. Then switch back to other keg to finish carbing the next day (or so, once I remember).
I'd say the organised guys with multiple beers in rotation/on tap will have a better method.
If you had to have the two running separate pressures (you only need one CO2 tank) then the Dual Primary (bottom right on pic) might be the option.
Need others to add to this: I would carb up a keg @ 0.9 for a week or so (2.5 vols @ 2-3°C, check the CO2 Vols calculator (http://www.brewersfriend.com/keg-carbonation-calculator/)), if I've another keg ready for pouring, I'd swap the gas disconnect onto it & reduce pressure down to ~0.3 for the night. Then switch back to other keg to finish carbing the next day (or so, once I remember).
I'd say the organised guys with multiple beers in rotation/on tap will have a better method.
If you had to have the two running separate pressures (you only need one CO2 tank) then the Dual Primary (bottom right on pic) might be the option.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on April 25, 2015, 07:27:15 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on April 25, 2015, 07:27:15 PM
On the gas tank side of things, how do I go about converting an old fire extinguisher to a CO2 tank?
Does the size of the fitting on the regulator I buy have an impact on what tank I can get or are there converters?
Does the size of the fitting on the regulator I buy have an impact on what tank I can get or are there converters?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: pob on April 25, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
Post by: pob on April 25, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
If you're around Dublin, you don't, you arrange to go to A J Edge in Bray & get a refurbed tank (extinguisher) for €40 (€30 for the valve & €10 for the CO2 fill & further refills).
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on April 25, 2015, 08:11:08 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on April 25, 2015, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: pob on April 25, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
If you're around Dublin, you don't, you arrange to go to A J Edge in Bray & get a refurbed tank (extinguisher) for €40 (€30 for the valve & €10 for the CO2 fill & further refills).
I would have to head out to them to sort out refilling and that, it's just I have a chance of getting a 9kg tank from an aquarium or a 5kg extinguisher (which they're out of apparently).
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Endatheworld on April 25, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Post by: Endatheworld on April 25, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Hi, trying to size up what fridge/freezer I need to hold the kegs. Does anybody know the height of the Corny Kegs? I have seen both 23" and 24.75" from various sources on the Internet. Also how much height does the disconnects add?
thanks
thanks
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: delzep on April 25, 2015, 09:44:50 PM
Post by: delzep on April 25, 2015, 09:44:50 PM
Get the kegs first then you can find the right fridge. I drew the outline of my kegs onto some cardboard to determine the smallest size footprint and used that to determine which fridge to buy
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Endatheworld on April 26, 2015, 01:59:38 PM
Post by: Endatheworld on April 26, 2015, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: delzep on April 25, 2015, 09:44:50 PM
Get the kegs first then you can find the right fridge. I drew the outline of my kegs onto some cardboard to determine the smallest size footprint and used that to determine which fridge to buy
Thanks but I already have a fridge and a Frezzer and just checking they will fit.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: pob on April 26, 2015, 04:38:12 PM
Post by: pob on April 26, 2015, 04:38:12 PM
Simpler diagram, now on BrewWiki on website with interactive info (hover over image on BrewWiki page for more info) (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki/guide-to-corny-kegging/)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/peterobrien20/Beer/cfda1248-7e09-4a49-b401-4f0af9ed0b5f.png)
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/peterobrien20/Beer/cfda1248-7e09-4a49-b401-4f0af9ed0b5f.png)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Ed on April 27, 2015, 08:46:59 AM
Post by: Ed on April 27, 2015, 08:46:59 AM
Quote from: mrmeindl on April 26, 2015, 05:02:33 PM
Are you better off using barbed disconnects and jubilee clips instead of JG fittings for the CO2 to reduce the leak possibilities?
I was going to ask the same thing about the CO2 line, but also because you don't need to clean that do you?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on April 27, 2015, 11:45:54 AM
Post by: auralabuse on April 27, 2015, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: mrmeindl on April 26, 2015, 05:02:33 PMIt's personal preference really, but to be honest I think barbs and jubilee are a bit more solid
Are the JG fittings threaded that you connect to the disconnects? Are you better of using barbed disconnects and jubilee clips instead of JG fittings for the CO2 to reduce the leak possibilities? Has anyone got disconnects from aliexpress? They're an awful lot cheaper than buying from Ireland/the UK.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Garry on April 27, 2015, 12:01:47 PM
Post by: Garry on April 27, 2015, 12:01:47 PM
I'm a barb man too but the JG fittings would give you more flexibility.I think the JG ones are threaded alright.
I'd be willing to bet that most of the of the disconnects for sale here (and in the UK & US) are coming from Chinese manufacturers similar to the lads selling on Aliexpress. If you're willing to wait up to 6 weeks for delivery, go with Aliexpress.
I'd be willing to bet that most of the of the disconnects for sale here (and in the UK & US) are coming from Chinese manufacturers similar to the lads selling on Aliexpress. If you're willing to wait up to 6 weeks for delivery, go with Aliexpress.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Chris on April 27, 2015, 02:00:35 PM
Post by: Chris on April 27, 2015, 02:00:35 PM
Do you need a different regulator for mixed gas?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: mcooney on April 27, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: mcooney on April 27, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
Also bough a couple of those THBC kegs.
Probably a silly question, do you leave the gas on at serving pressure constantly or turn it on/off each time your serve?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Garry on April 27, 2015, 02:17:33 PM
Post by: Garry on April 27, 2015, 02:17:33 PM
I suppose if your system is completely leak free, you can keep it on all the time. I just turn mine on when serving though.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on April 27, 2015, 02:47:37 PM
Post by: auralabuse on April 27, 2015, 02:47:37 PM
Quote from: mcooney on April 27, 2015, 02:14:00 PMI turn the gas off to avoid over carbonating the beer
Also bough a couple of those THBC kegs.
Probably a silly question, do you leave the gas on at serving pressure constantly or turn it on/off each time your serve?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: mcooney on April 27, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
Post by: mcooney on April 27, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on April 28, 2015, 12:00:39 AM
Post by: johnrm on April 28, 2015, 12:00:39 AM
@Chris. Yes. You do need a different regulator for mixed gas.
Lagers and Ales are generally served on CO2, the CO2 reg has adjustable pressure.
Stouts and some ales are served on mixed gas.
The mixed gas reg is at a fixed pressure,, much higher than CO2. The nozzle on the tap is different also, it has a restrictor disc.
Lagers and Ales are generally served on CO2, the CO2 reg has adjustable pressure.
Stouts and some ales are served on mixed gas.
The mixed gas reg is at a fixed pressure,, much higher than CO2. The nozzle on the tap is different also, it has a restrictor disc.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: beanstalk on April 28, 2015, 10:06:55 AM
Post by: beanstalk on April 28, 2015, 10:06:55 AM
Hi me too! :o :)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Ed on April 28, 2015, 10:24:41 AM
Post by: Ed on April 28, 2015, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: mrmeindl on April 28, 2015, 10:01:56 AM
HBC have dispatched my kegs already - too quickly :) Now I need to sort a tap, freezer/in line chiller, CO2 tank & Reg, Beer/Gas line for when the disconnects arrive from our Chinese friends!
Yeah, i thought it was going to be mid May! now they'll be sitting there, tempting me to start brewing to fill them, despite not having any thing else I need (gas, regs, connectors etc) and having to study for an exam in two weeks. Damn your efficiency HBC! :P
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on April 28, 2015, 11:18:54 AM
Post by: auralabuse on April 28, 2015, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: Ed on April 28, 2015, 10:24:41 AMThey just arrived, I can smell the fanta of them stillQuote from: mrmeindl on April 28, 2015, 10:01:56 AM
HBC have dispatched my kegs already - too quickly :) Now I need to sort a tap, freezer/in line chiller, CO2 tank & Reg, Beer/Gas line for when the disconnects arrive from our Chinese friends!
Yeah, i thought it was going to be mid May! now they'll be sitting there, tempting me to start brewing to fill them, despite not having any thing else I need (gas, regs, connectors etc) and having to study for an exam in two weeks. Damn your efficiency HBC!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Simon_ on April 28, 2015, 11:23:19 AM
Post by: Simon_ on April 28, 2015, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: mcooney on April 27, 2015, 02:14:00 PMThis is what you see people suggest doing in order to carb up your beer initially but with my regulators the dial doesn't stop the flow of gas at a particular pressure so in practice it's on or off for me. I turn it on as little as possible and let it rise to about 20 psi on the dial then turn off the gas.
Probably a silly question, do you leave the gas on at serving pressure constantly or turn it on/off each time your serve?
One thing I do follow though is to roll the keg on its side for 5 minutes when first carbing in order that a greater surface area of beer is exposed to the co2 and absorbs it better
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Simon_ on April 28, 2015, 11:28:55 AM
Post by: Simon_ on April 28, 2015, 11:28:55 AM
A question. I bought a regulator from KegConnection in the states. The thread on it appears to be very slightly off from the gas tank I have.
http://www.kegconnection.com/chudnow-wye-regulator-double-gauge/
Any ideas what I can do with it?
http://www.kegconnection.com/chudnow-wye-regulator-double-gauge/
Any ideas what I can do with it?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on April 28, 2015, 11:50:08 AM
Post by: krockett on April 28, 2015, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: Ed on April 28, 2015, 10:24:41 AMQuote from: mrmeindl on April 28, 2015, 10:01:56 AM
HBC have dispatched my kegs already - too quickly :) Now I need to sort a tap, freezer/in line chiller, CO2 tank & Reg, Beer/Gas line for when the disconnects arrive from our Chinese friends!
Yeah, i thought it was going to be mid May! now they'll be sitting there, tempting me to start brewing to fill them, despite not having any thing else I need (gas, regs, connectors etc) and having to study for an exam in two weeks. Damn your efficiency HBC! :P
I've impulsively just spent a fortune. This Corny malarky better be what its cracked up to be!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on April 28, 2015, 02:48:14 PM
Post by: johnrm on April 28, 2015, 02:48:14 PM
Shiite, need to talk to the missus now...
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: mcooney on April 28, 2015, 03:18:40 PM
Post by: mcooney on April 28, 2015, 03:18:40 PM
Just buy them and hide them like I've done :)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on April 28, 2015, 03:20:23 PM
Post by: krockett on April 28, 2015, 03:20:23 PM
I'm hiding them in my new fridge - which I'm told we definitely don't have room for.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Acott on April 28, 2015, 03:45:04 PM
Post by: Acott on April 28, 2015, 03:45:04 PM
I had to break the news on Saturday, it's a relief to know I'm not the only one getting it in the neck ;D
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on April 28, 2015, 03:56:35 PM
Post by: krockett on April 28, 2015, 03:56:35 PM
They're probably all moaning about us on another forum...
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on April 28, 2015, 05:41:01 PM
Post by: johnrm on April 28, 2015, 05:41:01 PM
StitchAndBitch.com for all your knitting and chatting.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on April 28, 2015, 06:29:29 PM
Post by: krockett on April 28, 2015, 06:29:29 PM
Received the two tap tower today from mybeerandwine (the one on sale for 149). It's beautiful. Includes taps as well.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Ed on April 28, 2015, 07:44:32 PM
Post by: Ed on April 28, 2015, 07:44:32 PM
Quote from: Simon \_/ on April 28, 2015, 11:28:55 AM
A question. I bought a regulator from KegConnection in the states. The thread on it appears to be very slightly off from the gas tank I have.
http://www.kegconnection.com/chudnow-wye-regulator-double-gauge/
Any ideas what I can do with it?
I would guess it's an American thread, you'll need to replace the parts with (i'm guessing again) British standard threaded parts or find an adapter?
from wiki - The British Standard Pipe (BSP) is a family of standard screw thread types that has been adopted internationally for interconnecting and sealing pipe ends by mating an external (male) with an internal (female) thread and has been adopted as a standard scale used in plumbing fittings, except in the United States where NPT is the standard used.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Vermelho on April 28, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
Post by: Vermelho on April 28, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: Simon \_/ on April 28, 2015, 11:28:55 AM
A question. I bought a regulator from KegConnection in the states. The thread on it appears to be very slightly off from the gas tank I have.
http://www.kegconnection.com/chudnow-wye-regulator-double-gauge/
Any ideas what I can do with it?
I did the same. Just swap the nut for a bsp and you're grand. AJ edge did it free for me coz they have them lying around and also thanks to Ciderhead.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Will_D on April 28, 2015, 11:40:20 PM
Post by: Will_D on April 28, 2015, 11:40:20 PM
Quote from: Simon \_/ on April 28, 2015, 11:23:19 AMSimon, This sounds like a faulty reg! Talk to me soon!
This is what you see people suggest doing in order to carb up your beer initially but with my regulators the dial doesn't stop the flow of gas at a particular pressure so in practice it's on or off for me. I turn it on as little as possible and let it rise to about 20 psi on the dial then turn off the gas.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Simon_ on April 29, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
Post by: Simon_ on April 29, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
Quote from: Ed on April 28, 2015, 07:44:32 PMThanks for articulating the difference. I think I read somewhere that AJ Edge could adapt an American thread. I might give them a bell.
I would guess it's an American thread, you'll need to replace the parts with (i'm guessing again) British standard threaded parts or find an adapter?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Simon_ on April 29, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Post by: Simon_ on April 29, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: Vermelho on April 28, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
I did the same. Just swap the nut for a bsp and you're grand. AJ edge did it free for me coz they have them lying around and also thanks to Ciderhead.
Sweet. Thanks. Knew I read about this somewhere previously.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Acott on April 29, 2015, 09:27:13 PM
Post by: Acott on April 29, 2015, 09:27:13 PM
I thought you lads were joking, mine smell like Fanta and Coke...pure heaven!
Thanks for the tip, I was wondering how to get rid of it! Any tricks to getting the stickers off, bar elbow grease?
Quote from: mrmeindl on April 29, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
Got my 2 cornys today, bit of a whiff of 7up out of them but a bit of bread soda sorted that easily enough. A large amount of scrubbing was done to remove stickers & tape residue from the outside - now they're shiny!
Thanks for the tip, I was wondering how to get rid of it! Any tricks to getting the stickers off, bar elbow grease?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on April 29, 2015, 09:33:32 PM
Post by: johnrm on April 29, 2015, 09:33:32 PM
petrol
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Damo on April 29, 2015, 10:02:39 PM
Post by: Damo on April 29, 2015, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: johnrm on April 29, 2015, 09:33:32 PM???
petrol
You can use a Stanley blade to scrape the plastic off, sticky stuff remover after that!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Will_D on April 29, 2015, 10:04:14 PM
Post by: Will_D on April 29, 2015, 10:04:14 PM
Cellulose thinners disolve most sticky stuff!
And by the way they smell wonder...fu....e....el..
Thats me sniffe dout! ???
And by the way they smell wonder...fu....e....el..
Thats me sniffe dout! ???
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Will_D on April 29, 2015, 10:04:53 PM
Post by: Will_D on April 29, 2015, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: Will_D on April 29, 2015, 10:04:14 PM
Cellulose thinners disolve most sticky stuff!
And by the way they smell wonder...fu....e....el..
Thats me sniffed out! ???
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Acott on April 29, 2015, 10:23:01 PM
Post by: Acott on April 29, 2015, 10:23:01 PM
Muchos gracias folks!
It's a job for the weekend I think
It's a job for the weekend I think
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Qs on April 29, 2015, 10:33:26 PM
Post by: Qs on April 29, 2015, 10:33:26 PM
How come yous all got yours I'm still waiting on mine plus a load of ingredients since last week. >:(
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Paul B on April 30, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
Post by: Paul B on April 30, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
So where are people ordering their taps/disconnects/regulators? HBC seems mostly sold out and would rather avoid mybeerandwine.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Acott on April 30, 2015, 11:01:59 AM
Post by: Acott on April 30, 2015, 11:01:59 AM
Quote from: pdb on April 30, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
So where are people ordering their taps/disconnects/regulators? HBC seems mostly sold out and would rather avoid mybeerandwine.
Hmmm I mailed them about their tap tower and didn't hear anything back!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Paul B on April 30, 2015, 11:05:14 AM
Post by: Paul B on April 30, 2015, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Acott on April 30, 2015, 11:01:59 AM
Hmmm I mailed them about their tap tower and didn't hear anything back!
Yup :-X
Title: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on April 30, 2015, 03:22:51 PM
Post by: krockett on April 30, 2015, 03:22:51 PM
I ordered tower, regulator and fittings etc from mybeerandwine. Very fast delivery. Had to call him to get advice. He's unresponsive to mail.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on April 30, 2015, 09:40:19 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on April 30, 2015, 09:40:19 PM
I'm keeping a weather eye out for disconnects and other gear:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PEPSI-NC-PREMIX-ANSCHLUSS-STECKKUPPLUNG-HOBBYBRAUER-/141641844078?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item20fa83056e
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PEPSI-NC-PREMIX-ANSCHLUSS-STECKKUPPLUNG-HOBBYBRAUER-/141641844078?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item20fa83056e
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: NeillC on April 30, 2015, 11:44:35 PM
Post by: NeillC on April 30, 2015, 11:44:35 PM
Anyone any suggestions for CO2 in the north?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Acott on May 01, 2015, 06:41:32 AM
Post by: Acott on May 01, 2015, 06:41:32 AM
Quote from: NeillC on April 30, 2015, 11:44:35 PM
Anyone any suggestions for CO2 in the north?
This lad is in Tyrone and will travel might be worth giving him a shout
http://www.donedeal.ie/otherbusiness-for-sale/co2-gas/8893849?offset=1
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Vermelho on May 01, 2015, 07:06:42 AM
Post by: Vermelho on May 01, 2015, 07:06:42 AM
Quote from: pdb on April 30, 2015, 10:24:37 AM
So where are people ordering their taps/disconnects/regulators? HBC seems mostly sold out and would rather avoid mybeerandwine.
Aliexpress has good disconnects and fittings. Not sure about their regs though.
Title: Kegging Q & A
Post by: pob on May 01, 2015, 07:43:15 AM
Post by: pob on May 01, 2015, 07:43:15 AM
The Homebrew Company are currently doing very good prices on disconnects (https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/beer-wine-equipment-cornelius-keg-systems-c-2_25.html) at Aliiexpress prices
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: beanstalk on May 01, 2015, 11:22:13 AM
Post by: beanstalk on May 01, 2015, 11:22:13 AM
Right, so getting my head round this kegging lark... A publican I know offered me a canister he had lying out in the back shed if I wanted it.
I couldn't take pics cus I didn't have my phone but...its about 3 foot tall, painted purple round the valve guard, and the body is painted green. It has a label on it that says 50/50 ( I assume nitro c02). It has a hand screw release valve, with what looked like a one inch connection at the side.its also full...
Does anyone know the kind I'm on about?
I couldn't take pics cus I didn't have my phone but...its about 3 foot tall, painted purple round the valve guard, and the body is painted green. It has a label on it that says 50/50 ( I assume nitro c02). It has a hand screw release valve, with what looked like a one inch connection at the side.its also full...
Does anyone know the kind I'm on about?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on May 02, 2015, 01:14:06 AM
Post by: krockett on May 02, 2015, 01:14:06 AM
Kegged my first batch tonight. Am still waiting on my drip tray.
(http://s13.postimg.org/5cab4nviv/IMG_4108.jpg)
I had no idea whether there would be coolant lines where I was drilling but was lucky - it all turned out ok.
This fridge was too small for two kegs (55 cms - assumed it would be big enough) but I carved out some of the insulation and managed to get two in.
I got a 7kg gas tank from the guy in Mayfield in Cork. Cant fit it in the fridge - think its driving the missus mental. Had a leaky valve on one of my cornys, and just realised tonight that you need to buy new O Rings. The main o ring on the neck smells still of Fanta despite 3 soaks in Oxy clean, but I needed to get this batch off the hops - will be buying a few packs of new ones asap. Hopefully it'll be ok.
Would recommend the taps - ridiculously easy to set up. I'll be setting up a cooling system using a fountain pump in a couple of weeks when the bank balance has recovered from this.
(http://s13.postimg.org/5cab4nviv/IMG_4108.jpg)
I had no idea whether there would be coolant lines where I was drilling but was lucky - it all turned out ok.
This fridge was too small for two kegs (55 cms - assumed it would be big enough) but I carved out some of the insulation and managed to get two in.
I got a 7kg gas tank from the guy in Mayfield in Cork. Cant fit it in the fridge - think its driving the missus mental. Had a leaky valve on one of my cornys, and just realised tonight that you need to buy new O Rings. The main o ring on the neck smells still of Fanta despite 3 soaks in Oxy clean, but I needed to get this batch off the hops - will be buying a few packs of new ones asap. Hopefully it'll be ok.
Would recommend the taps - ridiculously easy to set up. I'll be setting up a cooling system using a fountain pump in a couple of weeks when the bank balance has recovered from this.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on May 02, 2015, 02:09:40 AM
Post by: auralabuse on May 02, 2015, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: beanstalk on May 01, 2015, 11:22:13 AMYep, sounds pretty standard. It's a German made bottle as opposed to boc which are everywhere. You need a mixed gas reg for it
Right, so getting my head round this kegging lark... A publican I know offered me a canister he had lying out in the back shed if I wanted it.
I couldn't take pics cus I didn't have my phone but...its about 3 foot tall, painted purple round the valve guard, and the body is painted green. It has a label on it that says 50/50 ( I assume nitro c02). It has a hand screw release valve, with what looked like a one inch connection at the side.its also full...
Does anyone know the kind I'm on about?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 02, 2015, 08:50:50 AM
Post by: johnrm on May 02, 2015, 08:50:50 AM
Good job Mac.
We might have to set up Rebel HQ at your gaff!
We might have to set up Rebel HQ at your gaff!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on May 02, 2015, 12:12:23 PM
Post by: krockett on May 02, 2015, 12:12:23 PM
That would finally push her over the edge I think...
Anyone used corny orings that smelled of Pepsi? Does it contaminate beer?
Anyone used corny orings that smelled of Pepsi? Does it contaminate beer?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 02, 2015, 12:39:45 PM
Post by: johnrm on May 02, 2015, 12:39:45 PM
Soak orings in beer to get rid of Pepsi smell!
Clean then, steep in warm Oxi, then bleach them, then Starsan agenda you should be good.
Clean then, steep in warm Oxi, then bleach them, then Starsan agenda you should be good.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Greg2013 on May 02, 2015, 03:24:37 PM
Post by: Greg2013 on May 02, 2015, 03:24:37 PM
Going to hijack here so apologies. :P
I have two all grain pilsners in corny kegs cold conditioning with about two months now,capped with CO2 and burped for the first week daily but not yet force carbed. Now i want to force carb them but rather than doing the usual roly poly method and disturbing all the crap at the bottom after two months settling i am not sure what is the best way to proceed from here. I will be carbing both up at same time and same pressure using my regulator and split line so what should i do ? ;D
I have two all grain pilsners in corny kegs cold conditioning with about two months now,capped with CO2 and burped for the first week daily but not yet force carbed. Now i want to force carb them but rather than doing the usual roly poly method and disturbing all the crap at the bottom after two months settling i am not sure what is the best way to proceed from here. I will be carbing both up at same time and same pressure using my regulator and split line so what should i do ? ;D
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: pob on May 02, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
Post by: pob on May 02, 2015, 04:47:05 PM
Quote from: Greg2013 on May 02, 2015, 03:24:37 PMTaking info from Bubble's Guide to corny kegging (http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki/guide-to-corny-kegging/) (Carbonation & Serving - 2/3 of the way down)
I have two all grain pilsners in corny kegs cold conditioning with about two months now,capped with CO2 and burped for the first week daily but not yet force carbed.
I will be carbing both up at same time and same pressure using my regulator and split line so what should i do ? ;D
"... while the lagers might have between 2.5-2.9 volumes.", this will depend on your fridge temperature.
Use the table on the page above or use Brewblogger's Force Carbonation Calculator (http://www.brewblogger.net/index.php?page=tools§ion=force_carb&action=entry) to calculate your regulator setting.
So set it to the pressure from above & connect both kegs using the splitter & they'll both carb up over a week or so.
Remember to reduce your pressure before pouring, otherwise foam city.
Pour & toss the first 100ml of each keg once carbed, this will have a small amount of the settled yeast from the conditioning stage.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Vermelho on May 02, 2015, 05:17:38 PM
Post by: Vermelho on May 02, 2015, 05:17:38 PM
Quote from: Greg2013 on May 02, 2015, 03:24:37 PM
Going to hijack here so apologies. :P
I have two all grain pilsners in corny kegs cold conditioning with about two months now,capped with CO2 and burped for the first week daily but not yet force carbed. Now i want to force carb them but rather than doing the usual roly poly method and disturbing all the crap at the bottom after two months settling i am not sure what is the best way to proceed from here. I will be carbing both up at same time and same pressure using my regulator and split line so what should i do ? ;D
I used to use the set and forget method which was great but was never quick enough for me as is the case when you keg. Usually I'd try after a week and it wasn't quite where I wanted it. I have since switched to the brulosopher method which is the following:
1. Set the keg to 30 psi for 36 hours.
2. After 36 hours, turn of the gas and burp the keg completely.
3. Set to desired pressure and leave for 2-4 days.
I did this during the week and it worked great for
My kolsch. I poured my first beer yesterday which was after 2 days on regular pressure and it was just about there. Prob needs one more day.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Qs on May 02, 2015, 06:20:42 PM
Post by: Qs on May 02, 2015, 06:20:42 PM
I like set and forget. Carbs the beer in about 5 days for me. Only change I make is to th kegerator temp. Drop it down for the first few days the back to around 8C for serving.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Greg2013 on May 02, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
Post by: Greg2013 on May 02, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
Kegs are both at 2C currently and have been all during lagering so set and forget i think it is. ;D
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on May 03, 2015, 01:14:08 AM
Post by: cruiscinlan on May 03, 2015, 01:14:08 AM
Quote from: pob on April 25, 2015, 05:12:23 PM
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss256/peterobrien20/Beer/corny%20keg_1.png)
For every keg you will need a Beer Out (Black), Beer Line & a Tap.
For the CO2 you can split the line but, only if you want the same pressure in each keg, e.g. carbonating or serving.
For different pressures you would need something like the Dual Primary version of the regulator.
---
So for 2 Corny Kegs, presuming same pressure:
2 Beer Outs (Black)
2 Gas In (Grey) & a John Guest Tee or Y splitter (~€3-4)
Great diagram, cheers Pob.
Question on the threaded parts and John Guest fittings. I'm having a hard time figuring out how the beer or gas line is secured to the threaded output on the disconnects/beer tap. I know the John Guest fitting screws onto these threaded outputs (disconnects are 1/4" is it??) but how is the beer/gas line fitted into that?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 08:54:53 AM
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 08:54:53 AM
John Guest fittings are push-pull.
There is an o-ring seal and a stainless grip ring.
Once the line OD is correct, the JG grips and seals.
There is an o-ring seal and a stainless grip ring.
Once the line OD is correct, the JG grips and seals.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Qs on May 03, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
Post by: Qs on May 03, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: Greg2013 on May 02, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
Kegs are both at 2C currently and have been all during lagering so set and forget i think it is. ;D
If you are lagering anyway it makes perfect sense. I've tried the put it up high for a day or two method and the rolly method and I got carbonic bite and found it hard to get a decent pour. Set and forget leaves no bite and the pour is better.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
If you overcarbonate you can shake and burp.
Alternatively, see video below.
The only hole I see in this is that the gas and liquid disconnects are not interchangeable.
You could put a tee on your gas line and fit one liquid connector to degas.
https://youtu.be/xk79UYGmAk8
Alternatively, see video below.
The only hole I see in this is that the gas and liquid disconnects are not interchangeable.
You could put a tee on your gas line and fit one liquid connector to degas.
https://youtu.be/xk79UYGmAk8
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Vermelho on May 03, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Post by: Vermelho on May 03, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
If you overcarbonate you can shake and burp.
Alternatively, see video below.
The only hole I see in this is that the gas and liquid disconnects are not interchangeable.
You could put a tee on your gas line and fit one liquid connector to degas.
https://youtu.be/xk79UYGmAk8
I have ball lock kegs and my disconnects are interchangeable. I also used the method above during the week and it worked great.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 03:46:51 PM
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 03:46:51 PM
I guess it depends on the posts, the disconnects and the amount of elbow grease applied!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on May 03, 2015, 04:25:36 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on May 03, 2015, 04:25:36 PM
Quote from: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 08:54:53 AM
John Guest fittings are push-pull.
There is an o-ring seal and a stainless grip ring.
Once the line OD is correct, the JG grips and seals.
Sorry I'm still a bit confused about this. You just push your beer or gas line of the correct diamater into the John Guest fitting and it will seal it? Without an extra step?
What line outside diamater do you need for JG? I'm somewhat confused as a lot of these fittings are described in imperial, but when I rang up a fella looking for line, he said he does 6mm and 8mm.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on May 03, 2015, 04:37:48 PM
Post by: krockett on May 03, 2015, 04:37:48 PM
Lads my pressure has been dropping slightly all day. I have it at 30 psi for 36 hours as suggested, and it has been dropping as far as 20 before I push it back up. Is this a potential problem with the regulator?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Greg2013 on May 03, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
Post by: Greg2013 on May 03, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
Quote from: Mac780 on May 03, 2015, 04:37:48 PM
Lads my pressure has been dropping slightly all day. I have it at 30 psi for 36 hours as suggested, and it has been dropping as far as 20 before I push it back up. Is this a potential problem with the regulator?
No m8 you have a slow leak somewhere,get a spray bottle with starsan solution or fairy liquid solution and spray all joints and connections from the regulator to the keg,where there are bubbles that is your leak. ;D
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Greg2013 on May 03, 2015, 04:46:49 PM
Post by: Greg2013 on May 03, 2015, 04:46:49 PM
Ok so gang i am gassing up those two pilsners today,say i put them at 2 Celsisus/15psi how long will it take for them to carb fully ? ;D
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
@Greg, scroll down to carbonation.
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki/guide-to-corny-kegging/
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki/guide-to-corny-kegging/
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
Post by: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 05:28:51 PM
@cruiscinlan yes, push, then pull. There is a release ring on every fitting, you need to depress this to release the line.
OD for gas is generally 3/8" I'm sure you can get metric too.
On the liquid side, 3/8" also, pub taps have 5/16" so you may need a length of this and an adaptor.
Nothing to stop you heating and stretching beer line to fit a barb fitting.
OD for gas is generally 3/8" I'm sure you can get metric too.
On the liquid side, 3/8" also, pub taps have 5/16" so you may need a length of this and an adaptor.
Nothing to stop you heating and stretching beer line to fit a barb fitting.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Greg2013 on May 03, 2015, 07:47:43 PM
Post by: Greg2013 on May 03, 2015, 07:47:43 PM
Quote from: johnrm on May 03, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
@Greg, scroll down to carbonation.
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki/guide-to-corny-kegging/
Spot on Johnrm got that and gassing it up now,since they are already at 2 Celsius i am going for 12psi and leave for a week before trying. ;D
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on May 04, 2015, 10:21:15 AM
Post by: krockett on May 04, 2015, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: Greg2013 on May 03, 2015, 04:45:39 PMQuote from: Mac780 on May 03, 2015, 04:37:48 PM
Lads my pressure has been dropping slightly all day. I have it at 30 psi for 36 hours as suggested, and it has been dropping as far as 20 before I push it back up. Is this a potential problem with the regulator?
No m8 you have a slow leak somewhere,get a spray bottle with Starsan solution or fairy liquid solution and spray all joints and connections from the regulator to the keg,where there are bubbles that is your leak. ;D
The bubbles test isn't working. It hasn't been as bad since but you can hear the gas intermittently running to keep the pressure up - I presume this is a sign of leaks?
Researching this since people are suggesting that once you have your keg cleaned, fittings upgraded etc, you should carb it up empty, leave it connected to the gas line and submerge the top of it into a bucket of water. This will show if theres a leak.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: David on May 04, 2015, 11:22:33 AM
Post by: David on May 04, 2015, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: Mac780 on May 04, 2015, 10:21:15 AMQuote from: Greg2013 on May 03, 2015, 04:45:39 PMQuote from: Mac780 on May 03, 2015, 04:37:48 PM
Lads my pressure has been dropping slightly all day. I have it at 30 psi for 36 hours as suggested, and it has been dropping as far as 20 before I push it back up. Is this a potential problem with the regulator?
No m8 you have a slow leak somewhere,get a spray bottle with Starsan solution or fairy liquid solution and spray all joints and connections from the regulator to the keg,where there are bubbles that is your leak. ;D
The bubbles test isn't working. It hasn't been as bad since but you can hear the gas intermittently running to keep the pressure up - I presume this is a sign of leaks?
Researching this since people are suggesting that once you have your keg cleaned, fittings upgraded etc, you should carb it up empty, leave it connected to the gas line and submerge the top of it into a bucket of water. This will show if theres a leak.
If you are turning off the regulator the pressure drop could be the gas being absorbed by the beer hence the need to keep the regulator on when carbonating.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Acott on May 05, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Post by: Acott on May 05, 2015, 02:15:17 PM
Received my tap and Co2 regulator from My Beer and Wine today, fair play he did a deal and sorted me out with the required fittings, great service! You do have to ring to get a response though.
Now all that's left to get is a cheap under counter fridge, some beer lines and a Co2 canister!
Now all that's left to get is a cheap under counter fridge, some beer lines and a Co2 canister!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Acott on May 05, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Post by: Acott on May 05, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Hmmm, I took for granted that a corny would fit in any undercounter fridge like what Mac has below. Although I'm just going for a single tap / single keg setup so not too worried about getting two kegs in there. From what I know the Finlux below is exclusive to Harvey Norman.
Quote from: Mac780 on May 02, 2015, 01:14:06 AM
Kegged my first batch tonight. Am still waiting on my drip tray.
(http://s13.postimg.org/5cab4nviv/IMG_4108.jpg)
I had no idea whether there would be coolant lines where I was drilling but was lucky - it all turned out ok.
This fridge was too small for two kegs (55 cms - assumed it would be big enough) but I carved out some of the insulation and managed to get two in.
I got a 7kg gas tank from the guy in Mayfield in Cork. Cant fit it in the fridge - think its driving the missus mental. Had a leaky valve on one of my cornys, and just realised tonight that you need to buy new O Rings. The main o ring on the neck smells still of Fanta despite 3 soaks in Oxy clean, but I needed to get this batch off the hops - will be buying a few packs of new ones asap. Hopefully it'll be ok.
Would recommend the taps - ridiculously easy to set up. I'll be setting up a cooling system using a fountain pump in a couple of weeks when the bank balance has recovered from this.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 05, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
Post by: johnrm on May 05, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
If its a metal (pipes run through it) cooler box, it is possible to bend these down.
It just requires a lot of nerve!
It just requires a lot of nerve!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Acott on May 05, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Post by: Acott on May 05, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
Quote from: mrmeindl on May 05, 2015, 03:31:33 PMQuote from: Acott on May 05, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
Hmmm, I took for granted that a corny would fit in any undercounter fridge like what Mac has below. Although I'm just going for a single tap / single keg setup so not too worried about getting two kegs in there. From what I know the Finlux below is exclusive to Harvey Norman.
I just mentioned it because I've an under counter fridge where you've no chance - freezer compartment at the top and big compressor bulge at the bottom, apparently the coolant coils go thru the shelf bit in the freezer compartment so it can't be a adjusted.
Ah I get you, the one I'm after is an undercounter larder fridge without ice box. I seen them from around €129 new, but I'm holding out for something on DoneDeal
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: hopapotamus on May 05, 2015, 04:50:57 PM
Post by: hopapotamus on May 05, 2015, 04:50:57 PM
just spotted this on ebay .....any opinions?
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Beer-cider-lager-Free-Flow-T-bar-Tap-pipe-pump-cooler-/301201823189?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item46210715d5
they have a stout tap too for €27 i think
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Beer-cider-lager-Free-Flow-T-bar-Tap-pipe-pump-cooler-/301201823189?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item46210715d5
they have a stout tap too for €27 i think
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on May 09, 2015, 09:23:43 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on May 09, 2015, 09:23:43 PM
Another Q on kegging, can I put beer into my kegs as is for conditioning or are they only airtight with the disconnects on?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on May 09, 2015, 09:38:31 PM
Post by: auralabuse on May 09, 2015, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on May 09, 2015, 09:23:43 PMYou can do that no problem
Another Q on kegging, can I put beer into my kegs as is for conditioning or are they only airtight with the disconnects on?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Qs on May 10, 2015, 02:55:16 PM
Post by: Qs on May 10, 2015, 02:55:16 PM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on May 09, 2015, 09:23:43 PM
Another Q on kegging, can I put beer into my kegs as is for conditioning or are they only airtight with the disconnects on?
They're air tight without the disconnects but I'd still give it a blast of gas to seal it properly. Mine are never fully sealed around until the gas pushed the lid upwards to make a nice tight seal around the o-ring.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 10, 2015, 03:30:59 PM
Post by: johnrm on May 10, 2015, 03:30:59 PM
If you are stuck for CO2 but want to seal your corny...
Assumes keg seals are good and that there is done dissolved CO2 in your beer.
Fill your corny to below the gas in tube.
Close it up.
Gentle shake to release a small amount of CO2. Wait 5 mins for CO2 to fill headspace.
Invert corny.
The weight of the beer will put enough pressure in the lid to seal it.
The agitation should force enough CO2 out to seal the keg.
Assumes keg seals are good and that there is done dissolved CO2 in your beer.
Fill your corny to below the gas in tube.
Close it up.
Gentle shake to release a small amount of CO2. Wait 5 mins for CO2 to fill headspace.
Invert corny.
The weight of the beer will put enough pressure in the lid to seal it.
The agitation should force enough CO2 out to seal the keg.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Qs on May 21, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
Post by: Qs on May 21, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
I'm having awful trouble drilling the door of my fridge. I've got Draper carbon steel hole saws but I don't think they're cut out for the job. What sort of hole saw will go through the metal door of a fridge freezer?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: imark on May 21, 2015, 04:37:46 PM
Post by: imark on May 21, 2015, 04:37:46 PM
I think your hole saw should be fine. I used similar. The doors are only mild steel I think. Don't be afraid to use a bit of persuasion on it.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: krockett on May 21, 2015, 06:09:20 PM
Post by: krockett on May 21, 2015, 06:09:20 PM
I used the awl on a pen knife to make a hole. Then widened it with screwdrivers. I'm no good with drills 
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Qs on May 21, 2015, 11:15:08 PM
Post by: Qs on May 21, 2015, 11:15:08 PM
Quote from: imark on May 21, 2015, 04:37:46 PM
I think your hole saw should be fine. I used similar. The doors are only mild steel I think. Don't be afraid to use a bit of persuasion on it.
Cheers. I actually think it's my drill. It's slowed for some weird reason and won't go back to its normal speeds. I thought it just needed a charge but no. I'll just borrow a better drill and try again.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: David on May 22, 2015, 07:30:34 AM
Post by: David on May 22, 2015, 07:30:34 AM
Make sure to keep it oiled when cutting if they are run dry the cutting will overheat and dull the cutting edge.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Qs on May 22, 2015, 08:57:56 AM
Post by: Qs on May 22, 2015, 08:57:56 AM
Ah might be a bit late for that. :-[
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: beanstalk on May 23, 2015, 01:46:44 PM
Post by: beanstalk on May 23, 2015, 01:46:44 PM
Went down to my local BOC station the order day and while they were sound they didn't know how to deal with me looking for a c02 canister for homebrew. Dont think are many folks kegging up here in donegal (apart from Tom of course!) :) They started chatting about ringing BOC directly setting up an account, renting a cylinder, getting a carbon monoxide alarm... Seemed like too much hassle tbh and I went away a little dissapointed. I have been offered a mixed gas cylinder from a local pub. Can I just empty that and get it filled with c02 instead? I'm really just finding my feet here so don't want to do anything stupid or unsafe...
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Endatheworld on May 23, 2015, 03:33:20 PM
Post by: Endatheworld on May 23, 2015, 03:33:20 PM
Beanstalk, what part of Donegal are you from? The guy I got the Co2 cylinders from does the gas for the Leisure Center in Enniskillen and is up every 3 weeks or so. I met him there last week to get mine. Let me know if you want his details?
Enda
Enda
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: beanstalk on May 23, 2015, 03:50:38 PM
Post by: beanstalk on May 23, 2015, 03:50:38 PM
Letterkenny so don't be down around Erne direction that often but sure please do send me details anyway that would be great! :)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Endatheworld on May 23, 2015, 04:55:49 PM
Post by: Endatheworld on May 23, 2015, 04:55:49 PM
Just texted him. He delivers to a business in Rathmullen as well, that should suit you better? His name is Gareth Hughes, Northern Cryogenics. 07736 348753
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: beanstalk on May 23, 2015, 05:01:06 PM
Post by: beanstalk on May 23, 2015, 05:01:06 PM
Aye that would be dead on! Thanks!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Mastiff on May 24, 2015, 11:13:19 AM
Post by: Mastiff on May 24, 2015, 11:13:19 AM
I have tried keeping a few times now but I use small welding gas cylinders to fut pressure in my corny kegs. There is no regulator gauge on the register so always get frothy heads on my brew.
Is there a way to get the right pressure using this method.
I am starting to prefer bottling at the moment..
Is there a way to get the right pressure using this method.
I am starting to prefer bottling at the moment..
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on May 24, 2015, 08:14:54 PM
Post by: auralabuse on May 24, 2015, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: Mastiff on May 24, 2015, 11:13:19 AMYou could try batch priming and conditioning in the keg. Or bite the bullet and get a bottle with a reg.
I have tried keeping a few times now but I use small welding gas cylinders to fut pressure in my corny kegs. There is no regulator gauge on the register so always get frothy heads on my brew.
Is there a way to get the right pressure using this method.
I am starting to prefer bottling at the moment..
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: beanstalk on May 28, 2015, 04:37:38 PM
Post by: beanstalk on May 28, 2015, 04:37:38 PM
Hey folks. Still haven't got c02 sorted but hopefully soon. If I prime a batch in a corny in the garage and use it to condition, how long would the beer keep?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Qs on May 28, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
Post by: Qs on May 28, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
So got my holes drilled, taps installed, new problems arise. I have a JG fitting on the shank for the taps but its leaking when the door of the fridge moves because it changes the angle of the tubing going into it. Any tips or tricks to solve this problem?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: johnrm on May 28, 2015, 09:44:07 PM
Post by: johnrm on May 28, 2015, 09:44:07 PM
Is it leaking when the door is open or closed?
Make sure the o-ring in the JG is pristine.
Do a fresh cut on your beer line in case there are any scraggy bits.
Maybe use a bit of KY or similar to seal it.
If line is going straight in to tap, you could add a right-angle JG so that there is less pressure on the joint.
Make sure the o-ring in the JG is pristine.
Do a fresh cut on your beer line in case there are any scraggy bits.
Maybe use a bit of KY or similar to seal it.
If line is going straight in to tap, you could add a right-angle JG so that there is less pressure on the joint.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Leann ull on May 28, 2015, 11:33:35 PM
Post by: Leann ull on May 28, 2015, 11:33:35 PM
90 degree JG fittings
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: GrahamR on May 29, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
Post by: GrahamR on May 29, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Homebrew-Keg-Disconnect-kit-Cornelius-Ball-Lock-keg-couplers-Gas-Liquid-with-1-4-Barb/1761318094.html
are these the right size for the recon kegs?
are these the right size for the recon kegs?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 10:15:42 AM
Post by: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 10:15:42 AM
Quote from: Endatheworld on May 23, 2015, 03:33:20 PM
Beanstalk, what part of Donegal are you from? The guy I got the Co2 cylinders from does the gas for the Leisure Center in Enniskillen and is up every 3 weeks or so. I met him there last week to get mine. Let me know if you want his details?
Enda
Hi , I have just got into home brewing and al interested in kegging.
I was going to order a couple of Kegs from HBC, but co2 seems difficult to get.
That guy from Northern Cryogenics seems to be near me, how much does he charge for a cylinder/ refill?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Endatheworld on July 15, 2015, 10:55:11 AM
Post by: Endatheworld on July 15, 2015, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 10:15:42 AMQuote from: Endatheworld on May 23, 2015, 03:33:20 PM
Beanstalk, what part of Donegal are you from? The guy I got the Co2 cylinders from does the gas for the Leisure Center in Enniskillen and is up every 3 weeks or so. I met him there last week to get mine. Let me know if you want his details?
Enda
Hi , I have just got into home brewing and al interested in kegging.
I was going to order a couple of Kegs from HBC, but co2 seems difficult to get.
That guy from Northern Cryogenics seems to be near me, how much does he charge for a cylinder/ refill?
Hi PCBrewer. Welcome. Where are you based? He has a depot in Dungannon but can deliver. Its £40 for a 6kg cylinder and £10 a refill.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 11:05:11 AM
Post by: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 11:05:11 AM
I am in tyrone.
I have only bewed a couple of All grain batches so far, which i have bottled, but kegging looks the way to go!
Are there any thread/ places that sells second hand equipment?
I have stared brwing with a basic electric boiler & cooler box mash tun system, but i would like to up grade it, without breaking the bank!
I have only bewed a couple of All grain batches so far, which i have bottled, but kegging looks the way to go!
Are there any thread/ places that sells second hand equipment?
I have stared brwing with a basic electric boiler & cooler box mash tun system, but i would like to up grade it, without breaking the bank!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 02:07:42 PM
Post by: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 02:07:42 PM
would this regulator do the trick?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/huc/view.html?ie=UTF8&newItems=C3F45ZWVV1HSY3%2C1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/huc/view.html?ie=UTF8&newItems=C3F45ZWVV1HSY3%2C1)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/huc/view.html?ie=UTF8&newItems=C3F45ZWVV1HSY3%2C1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/huc/view.html?ie=UTF8&newItems=C3F45ZWVV1HSY3%2C1)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Pheeel on July 15, 2015, 02:40:31 PM
Post by: Pheeel on July 15, 2015, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 02:07:42 PMLink doesn't work
would this regulator do the trick?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/huc/view.html?ie=UTF8&newItems=C3F45ZWVV1HSY3%2C1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/huc/view.html?ie=UTF8&newItems=C3F45ZWVV1HSY3%2C1)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 02:57:47 PM
Post by: PCBrewer on July 15, 2015, 02:57:47 PM
oops
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008I1CPOM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AN4YM79HKEWTY (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008I1CPOM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AN4YM79HKEWTY)
what do you need to connect the regulator to the quick connect for the keg?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008I1CPOM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AN4YM79HKEWTY (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008I1CPOM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AN4YM79HKEWTY)
what do you need to connect the regulator to the quick connect for the keg?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on July 15, 2015, 03:58:34 PM
Post by: auralabuse on July 15, 2015, 03:58:34 PM
You need a bsp fitting with barn to the size of that outlet, looks like half inch
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on July 15, 2015, 04:01:16 PM
Post by: auralabuse on July 15, 2015, 04:01:16 PM
Something like this http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=321352183611&alt=web
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: phynes1 on July 15, 2015, 04:51:40 PM
Post by: phynes1 on July 15, 2015, 04:51:40 PM
I wouldnt buy aliexpress perlicks. I ordered 2 from http://www.kegworks.com/
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on December 16, 2015, 01:32:20 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on December 16, 2015, 01:32:20 PM
Lads what do ye recommend for hose clamps/clips for gas and beer line?
Jubilee/worm drive clamps are obviously around but was wondering if there's a tidier/better version?
Jubilee/worm drive clamps are obviously around but was wondering if there's a tidier/better version?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Endatheworld on December 16, 2015, 01:41:12 PM
Post by: Endatheworld on December 16, 2015, 01:41:12 PM
I got these Fuel hose clamps. They are a bit tidier than the Jubliee.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Pack-Zinc-Plated-Mini-Jub-Fuel-Hose-Line-Pipe-Clips-Classic-Rubber-Clamps-/170899535472
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Pack-Zinc-Plated-Mini-Jub-Fuel-Hose-Line-Pipe-Clips-Classic-Rubber-Clamps-/170899535472
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on December 16, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on December 16, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
Would they work with 3/16 line though? OD of 3/16 is 5.6mm I think.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Endatheworld on December 16, 2015, 08:06:36 PM
Post by: Endatheworld on December 16, 2015, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on December 16, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
Would they work with 3/16 line though? OD of 3/16 is 5.6mm I think.
Not sure, it might be a bit small. The smallest calmp is 7-9 mm.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 10, 2016, 05:08:52 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 10, 2016, 05:08:52 PM
After a long and rather trying day which revealed two kegs to have lost their seals while in storage I got beer back through the mixed gas regulator. I think this is a world record for a gas set up, it was operational for about 12 hours in total I think.
Do I have to throw it out and get a new one or is there any saving it?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2016, 05:34:25 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2016, 05:34:25 PM
I have non return valves on the lines before all my regs for just that reason :(
It shouldn't should have come back up the line to the reg if you were using the tank to pressure that keg?
There is a rubber diaphragm in the basic reg, the mixed regs are a lot more complicated and I think its fecked :( :(
It shouldn't should have come back up the line to the reg if you were using the tank to pressure that keg?
There is a rubber diaphragm in the basic reg, the mixed regs are a lot more complicated and I think its fecked :( :(
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: dcalnan on January 10, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
Post by: dcalnan on January 10, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
Best thing I bought was co2 distributors, I was looking into making my own but could never find the check valves cheaply now they're on aliexpress http://m.aliexpress.com/item-desc/32406522675.html (http://m.aliexpress.com/item-desc/32406522675.html) get a few of them and a distribution manifold like this http://www.flomax.ie/m/Catalogue/COUPLINGS-FITTINGS-ADAPTORS/Hose-Fittings-Threaded-Adaptors/Distribution-Manifolds/Distribution-Manifold-Ports-One-Side---Aluminium (http://www.flomax.ie/m/Catalogue/COUPLINGS-FITTINGS-ADAPTORS/Hose-Fittings-Threaded-Adaptors/Distribution-Manifolds/Distribution-Manifold-Ports-One-Side---Aluminium) and you won't run the problem of beer going into your regulator again.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2016, 06:15:40 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2016, 06:15:40 PM
Isolation valves are ok but they assume you remember to switch them!
Not cheap
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/John-Guest-3-8-x-3-8-Push-Fit-One-way-Single-Check-Valve-Water-3-8SCV-/221731630396?hash=item33a03c2d3c:g:GskAAOSwstxVHCFq
Not cheap
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/John-Guest-3-8-x-3-8-Push-Fit-One-way-Single-Check-Valve-Water-3-8SCV-/221731630396?hash=item33a03c2d3c:g:GskAAOSwstxVHCFq
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 10, 2016, 08:40:56 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 10, 2016, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: CH on January 10, 2016, 06:15:40 PM
Isolation valves are ok but they assume you remember to switch them!
Not cheap
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/John-Guest-3-8-x-3-8-Push-Fit-One-way-Single-Check-Valve-Water-3-8SCV-/221731630396?hash=item33a03c2d3c:g:GskAAOSwstxVHCFq
Could you not have one on the main gas out line and then split it downstream of that?
Also you all using plumbers tape/teflon tape for all gas threads? Including those with plastic threads?
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2016, 09:38:16 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 10, 2016, 09:38:16 PM
Absolutely my non return is just below the reg
I use ptfe on the plastic thread at the reg not on the disconnect, everything after that is push fit. strong mix of starsan in a spay bottle will show bubbles or leaks. Pub gas at 37psi gets turned off when not in use
I use ptfe on the plastic thread at the reg not on the disconnect, everything after that is push fit. strong mix of starsan in a spay bottle will show bubbles or leaks. Pub gas at 37psi gets turned off when not in use
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
I always turn the tank off when not in use as well. Better safe than sorry when it comes to leaks.
Does anyone have any tips on getting 3/16" line onto 1/4" barbs? From all I've read it should be easy enough after softening the line in hot water but I've put the line into a pot of boiling water and gotten nowhere with it. All I've managed to do is knacker the line. :-/
Does anyone have any tips on getting 3/16" line onto 1/4" barbs? From all I've read it should be easy enough after softening the line in hot water but I've put the line into a pot of boiling water and gotten nowhere with it. All I've managed to do is knacker the line. :-/
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Pheeel on January 12, 2016, 02:41:03 PM
Post by: Pheeel on January 12, 2016, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
I always turn the tank off when not in use as well. Better safe than sorry when it comes to leaks.
Does anyone have any tips on getting 3/16" line onto 1/4" barbs? From all I've read it should be easy enough after softening the line in hot water but I've put the line into a pot of boiling water and gotten nowhere with it. All I've managed to do is knacker the line. :-/
I did it recently. I used the water trick and I kept twisting. It took a while but got there eventually
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on January 12, 2016, 04:02:17 PM
Post by: auralabuse on January 12, 2016, 04:02:17 PM
If you soften the line then shove a pen I to it to stretch it out a bit that helps
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 04:07:28 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 04:07:28 PM
Quote from: auralabuse on January 12, 2016, 04:02:17 PM
If you soften the line then shove a pen I to it to stretch it out a bit that helps
Cheers, now I just need an all metal pen!! What I've found so far is that getting grip on the line to push on it needs a vice grips, and inevitably I end up flattening or kinking the line.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on January 12, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Post by: auralabuse on January 12, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
A chopstick works too, it the idea is to widen the diameter of the top which makes it easier to push on once you got a start
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Leann ull on January 12, 2016, 05:52:22 PM
Post by: Leann ull on January 12, 2016, 05:52:22 PM
a gentle flame will do it so place barb in vice grips on ground then using a cigarette lighter soften plastic to the point that it almost burns and go for it. barb needs to be hot as well
Other option is take the lid off a kettle and keep dunking it in with barb on it and pushing like buggery.
There is a joke there but I'd get an instant ban if I told it.
Other option is take the lid off a kettle and keep dunking it in with barb on it and pushing like buggery.
There is a joke there but I'd get an instant ban if I told it.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: molc on January 12, 2016, 05:58:36 PM
Post by: molc on January 12, 2016, 05:58:36 PM
I've been resisting for half the thread. Be strong! :)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 06:53:04 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 06:53:04 PM
Quote from: molc on January 12, 2016, 05:58:36 PM
I've been resisting for half the thread. Be strong! :)
Molc you and CH are an example to us all and remind me of the legendary forebearance of St. Proclus of Constantinople when confronting the Nestorian heretics :P.
On a more serious note, I'm having serious issues with foaming. Set up at the moment is 50:50 mixed gas and 1metre 3/8" line to picnic tap (a bit rough and ready I know).
Current procedure is A) Vent keg. B) Allow the smallest amount of gas possible through the reg, as in a quarter turn on of the tap, to give maybe 0.5 or 1 bar of pressure, then off.
I also tried just attaching the beer out line and no gas to allow the pressure in the keg to dispense.
No joy in either scenario. :'(
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: auralabuse on January 14, 2016, 02:42:43 AM
Post by: auralabuse on January 14, 2016, 02:42:43 AM
Try storing your picnic tap and line inside the keezer. See if it's the warmth of the line causing it
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: molc on January 14, 2016, 08:27:57 AM
Post by: molc on January 14, 2016, 08:27:57 AM
Don't think he's running a keezer. Room temperature beer is a foamy beast. Restrictor on the tap and a long line are your only choice, but co2 will come out of solution in the line when its warm and give you foam.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Chris on January 14, 2016, 09:32:46 AM
Post by: Chris on January 14, 2016, 09:32:46 AM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 06:53:04 PMQuote from: molc on January 12, 2016, 05:58:36 PM
On a more serious note, I'm having serious issues with foaming. Set up at the moment is 50:50 mixed gas and 1metre 3/8" line to picnic tap (a bit rough and ready I know
Longer line fixed my problems I use 3metres
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Leann ull on January 14, 2016, 11:41:10 AM
Post by: Leann ull on January 14, 2016, 11:41:10 AM
Picnic tap can't handle pressures from a mixed gas :(
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Pheeel on January 14, 2016, 11:41:43 AM
Post by: Pheeel on January 14, 2016, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 06:53:04 PMQuote from: molc on January 12, 2016, 05:58:36 PM
On a more serious note, I'm having serious issues with foaming. Set up at the moment is 50:50 mixed gas and 1metre 3/8" line to picnic tap (a bit rough and ready I know
Longer line fixed my problems I use 3metres
Yep. I went with 10ft/3 metres and the only foaming issue was with an massively overcarbed keg. Normally carbed kegs work a treat!
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Leann ull on January 14, 2016, 11:44:42 AM
Post by: Leann ull on January 14, 2016, 11:44:42 AM
Here's a pic that I got off twitter from US Homebrewer and a pause for thought.
He performed a water test on an old tank over what the tank was rated for so bear this in mind when you are going to people that don't regularly fill tanks
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160114/a4e459712844d4020edc1daf4df7c139.jpg)
He performed a water test on an old tank over what the tank was rated for so bear this in mind when you are going to people that don't regularly fill tanks
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160114/a4e459712844d4020edc1daf4df7c139.jpg)
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: molc on January 14, 2016, 12:17:46 PM
Post by: molc on January 14, 2016, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: Pheeel on January 14, 2016, 11:41:43 AMSounds about right. I'm running 1.2M 5/16" OD line for 12 PSI @ 5C and I get just the right level of head and about 1PSI at the tap head, assuming the maths is correct :)Quote from: cruiscinlan on January 12, 2016, 06:53:04 PMQuote from: molc on January 12, 2016, 05:58:36 PM
On a more serious note, I'm having serious issues with foaming. Set up at the moment is 50:50 mixed gas and 1metre 3/8" line to picnic tap (a bit rough and ready I know
Longer line fixed my problems I use 3metres
Yep. I went with 10ft/3 metres and the only foaming issue was with an massively overcarbed keg. Normally carbed kegs work a treat!
Now, using a calculator and assuming the same PSI and temp, with 3/8" line and a picnic tap, we need 16M of line to get the same serving pressure. If your temp goes up, the PSI will also have to be higher to keep the same level of CO2 solution, so it quite quickly becomes a pita.
Here's the calculator: http://www.calczilla.com/brewing/keg-line-balancing/
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Will_D on January 14, 2016, 12:45:16 PM
Post by: Will_D on January 14, 2016, 12:45:16 PM
Quote from: molc on January 14, 2016, 12:17:46 PMPriceless links like this should have a one topic, locked sticky at top of this forum!
Now, using a calculator and assuming the same PSI and temp, with 3/8" line and a picnic tap, we need 16M of line to get the same serving pressure. If your temp goes up, the PSI will also have to be higher to keep the same level of CO2 solution, so it quite quickly becomes a pita.
Here's the calculator: http://www.calczilla.com/brewing/keg-line-balancing/
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 14, 2016, 01:00:20 PM
Post by: cruiscinlan on January 14, 2016, 01:00:20 PM
Quote from: CH on January 14, 2016, 11:41:10 AM
Picnic tap can't handle pressures from a mixed gas :(
molc, Chris & auralabuse cheers for suggestions. I'll put the keg outside again and try it again with a longer line. Soon as I can get my 3/16 line onto the barb and tap :(.
CH once your reg is reducing your output pressure though why would it make a difference? And of course mixed gas is supposed to reduce FOB.
Title: Re: Kegging Q & A
Post by: Chris on January 15, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
Post by: Chris on January 15, 2016, 03:38:46 PM
Let us know how you get on