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Title: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on May 21, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
Like alot of people on here I recently bought corny kegs. Its my first foray into the kegging world and was wondering where are people buying the Co2 Regs from?
The regs from HBS seem to be very quite expensive £50-70. I have seen regs on welding suppliers websites for Co2 but the output gauge seems to be in LPM and not PSI. I assume that you can change the gauges but don't know if its worth the hassle. Maybe I am being cheap but the Kegs only cost £35 and my Gas Tank was only £40 so it seems to be a very expensive component!?

Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: johnrm on May 21, 2015, 07:49:56 PM
Seems dearer if they're sterling prices all right.
Those kegs are about 100 new. Only for someone knows someone you would not be getting them at this crazy price.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on May 21, 2015, 10:03:51 PM
Got one from Ebay £30 delivered. http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/161683586289?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&_mwBanner=1
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: UpsidedownA (Andrew) on May 24, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
I've got a gas regulator that I bought from the homebrew place in dublin a couple of years ago (my beer and wine?) Anyway, I could never get it to work properly. I think it might have US style NPT pipe thread on it or something. You can have it for €15 plus a bottle of you best homebrew, if you want to try to get it working. PM me if you want a picture or anything.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on May 24, 2015, 10:23:31 PM
Quote from: UpsidedownA (Andrew) on May 24, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
I've got a gas regulator that I bought from the homebrew place in dublin a couple of years ago (my beer and wine?) Anyway, I could never get it to work properly. I think it might have US style NPT pipe thread on it or something. You can have it for €15 plus a bottle of you best homebrew, if you want to try to get it working. PM me if you want a picture or anything.

Thanks for the offer Andrew but I bought the one from Ebay I mentioned in my last post. Got it delivered for free to my local Argos as well which is a great service Ebay offer now on some items.

Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: UpsidedownA (Andrew) on May 25, 2015, 06:20:36 AM
Sweet. Enjoy your corneys!
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Ed on May 25, 2015, 09:17:26 AM
Do people change the gauges on the regs to lower ranges? the charts I see on carbonation don't give much over 20 PSi, but most of the regs I see have 6 bar on the low pressure side - does that not make it a little tricky to carbonate accurately?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: armedcor on May 25, 2015, 09:41:56 AM
I'm gonna change mine out at some stage having a 5 or 6 bar gauge is no use tbh
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Greg2013 on May 25, 2015, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: Endatheworld on May 21, 2015, 10:03:51 PM
Got one from Ebay £30 delivered. http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/161683586289?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&_mwBanner=1

I need a new tank dial for my Reg but at that price i would just get a whole new reg,the only issue i see is how do i connect my JG splitter to it ? On the one i have now which is  like the one below you can screw on a barb connection onto the gas output,i don't see that capability on the reg you got. ;D

https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/co2-dual-gauge-regulator-includes-john-guest-fitting-p-2281.html
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on May 25, 2015, 10:16:08 AM
Not sure as i dont have any john guest fittings but this came with a length of tubing and a adapter which I connected to the disconnect and plan to secure with a jubilee clip?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Greg2013 on May 25, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: Endatheworld on May 25, 2015, 10:16:08 AM
Not sure as i dont have any john guest fittings but this came with a length of tubing and a adapter which I connected to the disconnect and plan to secure with a jubilee clip?

Would it be possible for you to unscrew that brass nut where the tube is going onto the regulator and take a pic ? I just want to see what the bare connection is like before i buy,i have a JG dual splitter that screws onto my regulator and i just want to make sure it will fit that one first. ;D
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on May 25, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
Here you go.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on May 25, 2015, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: mrmeindl on May 25, 2015, 12:40:24 PM
How long is the hose on that adaptor Enda?

Just over 3ft.

960mm
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on May 29, 2015, 02:12:39 PM
Got in touch with your man from Ferman Enda and he's going to sort me out next week!   ;D

do you need anything else to attach that specific reg to the cylinder you have or is it all straight forward (apart from PTFE or whatever)?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on May 29, 2015, 02:18:42 PM
That great. The reg just screws on. You will just need something to tighten the nut.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on May 29, 2015, 02:41:00 PM
Class! Well i've that reg ordered anyway. I just need a grey disconnect and some kind of tap. probably will just start with a picnic tap. This could all be a working reality by next weekend!  :o
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on May 29, 2015, 02:43:43 PM
Also, i think that reg, with a proper fitting (being 300 bar), would be suitable for a mixed gas tank as well, but I must look into this further...

http://www.weldingtorchparts.co.uk/co2-gas-regulator-to-argon-gas-bottle-adaptor.html (http://www.weldingtorchparts.co.uk/co2-gas-regulator-to-argon-gas-bottle-adaptor.html)

Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on May 29, 2015, 03:22:17 PM
Quote from: beanstalk on May 29, 2015, 02:41:00 PM
Class! Well i've that reg ordered anyway. I just need a grey disconnect and some kind of tap. probably will just start with a picnic tap. This could all be a working reality by next weekend!  :o

I have most of my bits now as well. Just need to build me a Kegerator........

Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on May 29, 2015, 05:07:44 PM
Nice! I have a big coke fridge but its an energy eater and only cools to about 8C or so, so I might carb at ambient garage temp and if its cool enough serve from there or else turn om the fridge and fire it in a few days before bbqs etc butbut I gotta find out more about carbing at warmer temps etc...
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: hopapotamus on May 29, 2015, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: beanstalk on May 29, 2015, 02:41:00 PM
Class! Well i've that reg ordered anyway. I just need a grey disconnect and some kind of tap. probably will just start with a picnic tap. This could all be a working reality by next weekend!  :o
how much did they charge you for shipping?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on May 29, 2015, 07:36:47 PM
I got free delivery to an address in the north. Not sure about cost of delivery to republic unfortunately.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: hopapotamus on May 29, 2015, 08:08:11 PM
feck it , may as well open a pm account , good prices on there.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on May 29, 2015, 08:09:59 PM
Definitely worth it!
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: hopapotamus on May 29, 2015, 08:25:11 PM
this kegging lark is getting expensive but shur we're worth it lol
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Greg2013 on May 29, 2015, 08:31:38 PM
I will be ordering one of these myself soon as funds allow,at that price it would be madness not to  :P
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on June 08, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
hi Folks,

I ve noticed that upon setting the gauge on the regulator I just bought that it rises graudually to higher psi which has resulted in a lot of gas wastage and makes the think the regulator is fautly. For example, ill set the pressure at 2psi, over the course of half an hour it rises slowly to over 40!

If I disconnect the gas line from the keg, its even worse!

What do yous think the problem might be?

Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Will_D on June 08, 2015, 09:39:48 AM
Sounds like a faulty reg to me.

The only way the pressure should increase is when you screw in the knob (clockwise)

Can you post a picture of the reg please?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on June 08, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
Will do when I get home but its the exact same as the reg pictured on the previous page on this thread by endatheworld.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Leann ull on June 08, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Folks please be very weary of using items in areas that they were not originally designed for particularly pressurised gas :(
Alex had cheap dedicated homebrew regs.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on June 08, 2015, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: beanstalk on June 08, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
hi Folks,

I ve noticed that upon setting the gauge on the regulator I just bought that it rises graudually to higher psi which has resulted in a lot of gas wastage and makes the think the regulator is fautly. For example, ill set the pressure at 2psi, over the course of half an hour it rises slowly to over 40!

If I disconnect the gas line from the keg, its even worse!

What do yous think the problem might be?

I havent used my Reg in anger yet. So I cant help you there. I can test it later to see if is same!



Quote from: Ciderhead on June 08, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Folks please be very weary of using items in areas that they were not originally designed for particularly pressurised gas :(
Alex had cheap dedicated homebrew regs.

Ciderhead - Can you expand on this? What is he difference in A CO2 reg made for welding and one for brewing as sold by the HBS. The only difference I can see is that the ones for brewing have a smaller measuring scale on the outlet gauge?

Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Leann ull on June 08, 2015, 09:58:38 PM
Quote from: Endatheworld on June 08, 2015, 07:07:39 PM


Quote from: Ciderhead on June 08, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Folks please be very weary of using items in areas that they were not originally designed for particularly pressurised gas :(
Alex had cheap dedicated homebrew regs.

Ciderhead - Can you expand on this? What is he difference in A CO2 reg made for welding and one for brewing as sold by the HBS. The only difference I can see is that the ones for brewing have a smaller measuring scale on the outlet gauge?

2 areas for concern,
Firstly I can't see if the dial is a pressure or flow gauge :(
I think its pressure in which case you are ok?

More importantly homebrew regs have a blow off valve normally set to 55-60 psi or just over 4 bar, corny kegs themselves if memory serves blow off at 100psi or 6.8 do we know what the blow off rating is on this reg?

For the sake of €35-65 which is what Alex was selling them for on adverts its really not worth the risk.

Just be careful thats all the NHC hasn't lost a brewer yet, tried to poison a few alright :D
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: hopapotamus on June 08, 2015, 10:40:50 PM
thanks for the heads up , has alealex got any in stock ? i guess its a case of buy cheep buy twice for me again.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Chris on June 08, 2015, 11:46:05 PM
Can't get in touch with Alex anyone know how I can contact him?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: molc on June 09, 2015, 08:25:18 AM
Quote from: Ciderhead on June 08, 2015, 09:58:38 PM
...

Just be careful thats all the NHC hasn't lost a brewer yet, tried to poison a few alright :D
We only poison the judges ;)
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: hopapotamus on June 09, 2015, 08:58:01 PM
can anyone point me to a good cheep reg ? alex is out of stock
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Greg2013 on June 09, 2015, 10:01:18 PM
Is the one linked at the start of this thread not a good one to get so ? :(
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: hopapotamus on June 09, 2015, 10:07:44 PM
from what ciderhead said above im thinking not , did you get one too?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on June 09, 2015, 10:18:56 PM
The gauge is in bar and psi, and it highest reach is 85 psi. It does have a blow off valve, but I'll check with the sellers for its limit. Can't see it being much above 85 tho cus it wouldn't make sense otherwise?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Greg2013 on June 09, 2015, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: hopapotamus on June 09, 2015, 10:07:44 PM
from what ciderhead said above im thinking not , did you get one too?

No not yet,was going to in the next week or two,tbh all i really need is the tank level gauge but i thought at that price get the whole reg. :(
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: hopapotamus on June 09, 2015, 11:07:01 PM
mine is in the parcel motel atm picking it up in the morning ,im sure it will be grand but i havnt a clue what im doing , need beer to fill the kegs first lol
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Endatheworld on June 10, 2015, 09:04:16 AM
Quote from: Ciderhead on June 08, 2015, 09:58:38 PM
Quote from: Endatheworld on June 08, 2015, 07:07:39 PM


Quote from: Ciderhead on June 08, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Folks please be very weary of using items in areas that they were not originally designed for particularly pressurised gas :(
Alex had cheap dedicated homebrew regs.

Ciderhead - Can you expand on this? What is he difference in A CO2 reg made for welding and one for brewing as sold by the HBS. The only difference I can see is that the ones for brewing have a smaller measuring scale on the outlet gauge?

2 areas for concern,
Firstly I can't see if the dial is a pressure or flow gauge :(
I think its pressure in which case you are ok?

More importantly homebrew regs have a blow off valve normally set to 55-60 psi or just over 4 bar, corny kegs themselves if memory serves blow off at 100psi or 6.8 do we know what the blow off rating is on this reg?


UPDATE: I tested this reg yesterday and all works as expected. The guage is a pressure gauge (0-85PSI). I have emailed the Ebay seller to ask about the blow off valve but have not had a responce yet. I will post here when I get it.
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: alealex on June 10, 2015, 01:36:49 PM
Guys interested in co2 regs have a look here:

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/forum/index.php/topic,9947.0.html

Sorry I don't do regs and kegging equipment any more but will use my contacts for gb if there's enough interest.

Cheerio brewers!
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Will_D on June 10, 2015, 10:39:12 PM
To Quote BugsBunny:

"Err What's Up Doc"??
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on June 16, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
Got my reg changed but they sent back a more industrial one, with a gauge that has way more increments so it would be impossible to serve at say 2psi cus its really hard to see on the gauge! What serving pressure do you guys normally serve at? I have a picnic tap and ten psi worked fine but I don't wanna leave this regulator back unless I have to. Will I ever need to serve at less than 10psi?
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: Greg2013 on June 16, 2015, 08:24:14 PM
Quote from: beanstalk on June 16, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
Got my reg changed but they sent back a more industrial one, with a gauge that has way more increments so it would be impossible to serve at say 2psi cus its really hard to see on the gauge! What serving pressure do you guys normally serve at? I have a picnic tap and ten psi worked fine but I don't wanna leave this regulator back unless I have to. Will I ever need to serve at less than 10psi?

You will find that most beers are best served at below 10psi, 5 psi seems to be the average used but you may need to go lower. ;D
Title: Re: Co2 Regulator
Post by: beanstalk on June 16, 2015, 08:26:49 PM
Cheers! Hmmm I'd need a magnifying glass on this reg for anything lower than five...