Murphy's

[admin]

Meh. First pint since 1990. Has this been dumbed down in the last couple of decades as draught Guinness has? Ironically Beamish is still quite tasty.

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[Cathal O D]

Definately. More so in recent years too.
I still like to drink a pint of Murphs or Beamish when im home though.

[DEMPSEY]

Had a pint of guinness in Kerry recently and found it boring so ended up drinking cider instead.

[Ciderhead]

The older you get the less definition your palette has,

[mr hoppy]

It's funny but I felt Beamish had been dumbed down in the recent past. There might be something in it but probably part of it is how time colours your recollections.

[Eoin]

Or your pallet is progressing.....

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[mr hoppy]

There's a story in Stan Hieronymus's Hops book about how one of the big American breweries (Miller?) tested beers from the Prohibition through to the 80s (I think) and found that the IBUs had halved - dropping from 30 to 15!

Some day I'll try brewing a Classic American Pilsner!

[Bzfeale80]

There's a story in Stan Hieronymus's Hops book about how one of the big American breweries (Miller?) tested beers from the Prohibition through to the 80s (I think) and found that the IBUs had halved - dropping from 30 to 15!

Some day I'll try brewing a Classic American Pilsner!

That is rather interesting! Nearly 2 years ago I was on a craft beer tour in Portland and man were some of the IPA's bitter in the extreme. Miller, Coors, Heineken, Budweiser don't deserve to be called beer imho.

[mr hoppy]

There's a pdf on this page on the Zymurgy site (along with other interesting stuff) of an article by Jeff Renner about reviving pre-prohibition American lagers. He reckons the were brewed with a bit of corn or rice like modern light lagers but had more flavor, including bitterness.

[Taf]

Have always been a beamish drinker, when it comes to stout. Maybe not as burnt tasting as I remember it 10 years ago, but maybe that is my taste buds, as a lot of what I thought was hoppy 5 years ago doesn't seem as much now. Have always found murphys dull without any bite.

[Cathal O D]

I think a pint bottle of guinness off the shelf can be nice enough.
Can you get bottles of Murphys or Beamish??? Im sure you used to....

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[Cathal O D]

Actually does anyone remember the Murphys ad with the Samurai lads.

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[Bzfeale80]

There's a pdf on this page on the Zymurgy site (along with other interesting stuff) of an article by Jeff Renner about reviving pre-prohibition American lagers. He reckons the were brewed with a bit of corn or rice like modern light lagers but had more flavor, including bitterness.

Thanks for the link mr happy. there are many interesting topics

[mr hoppy]

I think a pint bottle of guinness off the shelf can be nice enough.

The smaller bottles with the orange labels still taste great!

[irish_goat]

Mr Happy is right, the book "For the Love of Hops" explains how the head of Anheuser Busch decided they should cryogenically freeze cans of Budweiser every year and then compare it year in and year out. They found that the difference between 5 years was indistinguishable but after 20+ years it was very noticeably less bitter. They attribute it to market research and tasting groups who determine how the recipe of the beer is altered. AB claimed that the American public(or their accountants?) wanted fewer IBU's so they gradually dropped the hop additions.

Without a doubt, the same process goes on at Diageo and Heineken and it's an inevitable race to the bottom flavourwise.

NB: Draught Guinness and bottles of Guinness are different beers. I don't think the bottles have changed much.