MCI bagging plant

[mr hoppy]

Commercial brewers who can reclaim VAT.

[Taf]

Still it does mean they aren't competitive with the homebrew stores, unless they're only selling to people in bulk. I wonder who they all selling too to stay in business...

Don't think they are trying to compete with the homebrew stores. Their main customer is Heineken, and I think the reason they are bagging is in order to export to the USA, as I there seems to be demand for Irish malt there. I don't think the bagging line was put in for us I'm afraid. It should be okay for Cork based brewers, as long as we do a group buy of minimum 20 bags, as we won't have to worry about delivery costs, but does look prohibitive otherwise for smaller amounts. even if collecting yourself.

[Dr Horrible]

I just picked up two bags yesterday (ale and stout) for 61 EU so it's about 30.5EU per bag if you call over and pick it up yourself. Price-wise for me it's about 5 or 6EU cheaper per bag than ordering through a homebrew site, but obviously I don't have to pay the cost of shipping.  It's not really comparing apples with apples though, these are different malts from those available online - hope to find out how different over the next few brews.

[sittingbull]

Not sure  but that is what they quoted me around 14th/16th August

[Will_D]

It's not really comparing apples with apples though, these are different malts from those available online - hope to find out how different over the next few brews.

Is there a brand on the sacks?

They only malt the 5 or so base malts that are on the website.

They were talking earlier of imprting from the UK/Europe other base and also speciality malts from the big maltsters.

So what did you get?

[Dr Horrible]

Yep the sacks are branded Malting company Ireland. I got the ale malt and the stout malt, going to brew with the ale malt on Saturday, all I can say at the moment is that it's very tasty!

[Will_D]

Sorry Doc, when you said different to wjats online thought you meant MCI online as opposed nto the other online stores!

"Al ist Klaar Komissar"

[Covey]

i got 4 bags for 73 including VAT. So have they rasied their prices?

It depends did you buy from them when they were filling bags by hand?  I think it was cheaper then.  Their current rates are E25/bag ex vat and delivery so 4 bags would be E172.20 so E43 all in.

It would work out a lot better in terms of a group buy, which would bring 40 bags plus pallet fee plus vat to E805.20, or E20.14/bag

It was the beginning of August bought it from the new bagging plant

[Covey]

i got 4 bags for 73 including VAT. So have they rasied their prices?

It depends did you buy from them when they were filling bags by hand?  I think it was cheaper then.  Their current rates are E25/bag ex vat and delivery so 4 bags would be E172.20 so E43 all in.

It would work out a lot better in terms of a group buy, which would bring 40 bags plus pallet fee plus vat to E805.20, or E20.14/bag

It was the beginning of August bought it from the new bagging plant

Def yanked up their prices

[Will_D]

Why are they charging VAT?

Food ingredients and food products are zero rated.

Sureley malted barley is a food stuff ingredient and should be zero rated!

As is flour and sugar!

[Will_D]

Cheers oh mighty vat minder.

It does state that other barley products are exempt
"    Includes barley meal, barley screenings, rolled barley, roasted barley. "

I do however note that MALT EXTRACT is Zero rated Is this the case in the HB shops?

ref: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/rates/decision-detail-04545.jsp

It gets better:

Search for malted Wheat:

Its zero rated!

Ref: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/rates/decision-detail-04722.jsp
Under "Remarks it states@ Includes Malted Wheat"

And the Rev. have not even heard of rye so I assume that is exempt as well.

[cruiscinlan]

It does state that other barley products are exempt
"    Includes barley meal, barley screenings, rolled barley, roasted barley. "

Under "Remarks it states@ Includes Malted Wheat"

And the Rev. have not even heard of rye so I assume that is exempt as well.

Historically the rate of tax on malted barley is what led to unmalted barley being used as the mash for pot still whiskey.  I wonder could you use regular barley in a mash and would the malt convert it?