Peco Type Boiler Differences.

[Greg2013]

https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/electric-digital-mashing-bin-boiler-32-litre-p-2210.html

https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/peco-beermakers-professional-boiler-32lt-includes-hop-strainer-p-2211.html

Can someone explain to me what the difference is between these two models other than what looks like a very expensive Stc1000 setup ? I am looking into getting one of these but if that Stc1000 setup is the only real difference i would go for the cheaper one and add the Stc1000 myself down the line.

[armedcor]

Basically the add-on of a pre-wired temp controller. Stc wouldn't be able to handle the amps of the peco

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=400706605077&alt=web

That would work.

[Greg2013]

Basically the add-on of a pre-wired temp controller. Stc wouldn't be able to handle the amps of the peco

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=400706605077&alt=web

That would work.

So basically a beefed up STc1000 type setup ? Didn't think of the amperege issue so cheers for that tip,just need to find a thermowell to suit the above now and i am sorted.

[armedcor]

I was thinking if getting one to turn my old peco boiler into a hlt. Tbh if it seems anyway water proof I'll probably just throw the probe straight into the water.

[Greg2013]

I was thinking if getting one to turn my old peco boiler into a hlt. Tbh if it seems anyway water proof I'll probably just throw the probe straight into the water.

When i get that cheaper one i like the idea of being able to use it as an MT also so would prefer to get a thermowell although i suppose i could get away without it if i had to.

[molc]

Stc is rated to 10A so it should just work for a peco. They're under 2.4kw right?

[armedcor]

They're 2.4kw aren't they?  At 230v that's like 10.4a

[Greg2013]

Just found this one on HBW

http://www.homebrewwest.ie/peco-eb1-beermakers-32-litre-24-kw-mashing-bin-with-thermostat-3950-p.asp

[Leann ull]

Analogue controller Pid controlling element is what you need

[Greg2013]

Analogue controller Pid controlling element is what you need

That sounds expensive.

[Leann ull]

Pid would cost you max 40 way better than stc for mash

[Greg2013]

Pid would cost you max 40 way better than stc for mash

Looks like you are suggesting maybe a "from scratch" type build so CH ? I guess if i am going the route you seem to be suggesting(if i am following your line of thought correctly) i would be better off to buy a 30 litre SS pot and bung in a couple of elements and run the lot off one of those Pid thingys ?

So guys what are the disadvantages if any to using any of the bucket type boiler setups like those i have linked as examples above ? I am looking to keep costs as low as possible,the idea being to cover the cost of the new setup from the sale of my four glass carboys(thanks again CH), as i have a full 3V system anyway and was aiming more towards a 1V system with my MT as backup if needed for bigger grain bills(basically boiler/HLT in one).

[armedcor]

You could use a pid with the peco boiler,  would be easy enough. Would require a bit a wiring. I've no experience and managed to put together a brewery controller easy enough.

[Greg2013]

You could use a pid with the peco boiler,  would be easy enough. Would require a bit a wiring. I've no experience and managed to put together a brewery controller easy enough.

I think that is more or less what CH was suggesting also,tbh if i am going down that route what i would do is build my own boiler out of one of the sturdier Fv buckets,use a Charlie Shiels element from my current keggle and wire up the Pid.

Another reason for doing it this way also is that one of the buckets like below will fit under the extraction hood on my cooker top in my kitchen so i can brew indoors,something i tried to do with the keg setup and spent next two days cleaning the walls from steam/wort residue(it was raining out gimme a break).

https://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/33-litre-fermentation-vessel-graduated-p-1986.html

[armedcor]

I get it. I spent a whole morning after brewing scrubbing walls once. Not fun at all!