Dry to Liquid Yeast substitutes

[Pheeel]

Last night I was having a look at the Fermentis yeasts but some of the descriptions don't give me a great clue what I'm going to get out of them. I was wondering what the equivalent liquid yeasts were (especially seeing as most of my recipe books only state liquid) . Had a bit of trouble finding something but this is what I dug up online. I added the names of the yeasts and threw in some that were missing

Feedback welcome 

I'll put it in a copyable format later as it's a PITA to deal with the tables!

[pob]

A bit of work on our BrewWiki.

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki/yeast-liquid-varieties/

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki

Not totally finished, but nearly there

[Bubbles]

I'd have said that S-04 was more like WLP002 in terms of attenuation. (Of course, it's nothing like WLP002 or WLP007 in flavour)

[Pheeel]

A bit of work on our BrewWiki.

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki/yeast-liquid-varieties/

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki

Not totally finished, but nearly there

Didn't even know they were there!! Adding the data to something like this would help
http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.ie/wordpress/brewwiki/yeast-dry/

[Leann ull]

Not really sure you can compare or want to!
Dried has 4 times effectiveness of  a straight vial/liquid as to loose typically 50% in the pitch but imho tastes meah, if your serious about your beer and want full balanced profile, it's liquid I'm afraid
I've done side by side comparisons with 05/001/bry97/m44 and got much fuller profile with liquid.
Don't get me wrong dry produces beer but ....

I always carry 05 to "oh feic 2 days in and this bastard hasn't taken off and I don't want to waste the wort"

[Qs]

I've read that Bry 97 is the equivalent of WLP051 Cal Ale V. Can't remember where and I've not used Bry 97 yet so I can't add an opinion but there you go.

[Leann ull]

It's somewhere in between 051 and 001 whereas us05 is supposed to be close to 001, my own experience would say 05 rips the arse out of everything vs others which if you are starting out is great but if you want more complex taste profile probably not the best tool in the box.
Don't get me wrong dried have their place but I've done 4 or 5 side by side now and they do the job just not as well

[Simon_]

Not really sure you can compare or want to!
Dried has 4 times effectiveness of  a straight vial/liquid as to loose typically 50% in the pitch but imho tastes meah, if your serious about your beer and want full balanced profile, it's liquid I'm afraid
I've done side by side comparisons with 05/001/bry97/m44 and got much fuller profile with liquid.
Don't get me wrong dry produces beer but ....

I always carry 05 to "oh feic 2 days in and this bastard hasn't taken off and I don't want to waste the wort"

That's interesting. I was set thinking that us05 was identical to 001 in everyway possible without ever having used 001. Good to hear some diverging opinion on that.

[Qs]

I haven't used 001 yet either, I'm just getting into liquid yeast now. Beersmith says 001 is less attenuative than US05, is that true? I like US05 but it really does chomp through the beer. I hate S-04 now, its just horrible.

[Leann ull]

That's interesting. I was set thinking that us05 was identical to 001 in everyway possible without ever having used 001.

The Chico strain, if you are doing a basic beer with low hop additions or simple malt profiles i'd say it could be tricky to spot the difference but 001 for me is more measured even with sufficient starter doesn't bounce the bucket and takes longer to finish in a temp controlled chamber which is what I want, again down to personal experience than what the book says, have a go yourself, its great to do side by sides and I give the dried to my mates and keep the good stuff.
This week-ends "Yeast off" is 004 v's 013 for Cara's stout comp

[Pheeel]

Ciderhead, I know where you're coming from. I used only liquid in the States but moving back here it's a lot easier to use dried. US05 seems pretty damn close to me. The MJ Bohemian Lager yeast has done pretty well for me too.

I try and do 2 beers at a time, one all grain and one partial. Often I'll build a starter for one and use dried for the other so it's just convenience

[Leann ull]

Did a WLP830 v W34/70 (2 packs) 830 was better in taste profile
So summary for me is yes dried yeast will allow you achieve a good standard of beer, but liquid if you have the patience in starter prep will shine through

[Dr Horrible]

That's interesting- did you use the yeast cake from the 34/70 afterwards? I'd like to see how that would compare to WLP830. I've just bought two packs myself and am planning to use it for a simple light recipe first then use the yeast from that for another batch or two. My starter setup struggles at more than 2L so I'm going to try this as a way to get a bigger starter instead.  If 34/70 is the same strain as 830 they should hopefully be pretty similar after the first batch.

[Leann ull]

Sorry I never use yeast cake and definitely not with a lager or Pilsner which wants to pick up every off flavour writhin 20 yards of fv
Min 3.5l starter for lagers, I step up to 5
I've washed yeast a few times but found it too much faff and I don't know if off flavours coming across from the previous fermentation or trub.
Yeah I know I'm a yeast sellers wet dream!

[Dr Horrible]

You're literally a yeast purist then! Knew colour carryover from yeast cake was a thing but never considered off flavour carryover before, interesting.  I prefer darker lagers anyway, so they might be less sensitive to that sort of thing.
I've done a 5l starter before for a lager and it turned out great but I found it took so much watching and shaking that I thought that the next time I make that much starter I might as well make it something I can drink.