Beer Tasting - a new flavour wheel

[Padraic]

I've never been hugely fond of flavour wheels but they are a handy reference guide.

Mark Dredge has designed a more approachable wheel for people who might not know what certain words on the 70's version mean.

http://www.pencilandspoon.com/2013/01/a-new-beer-flavour-wheel.html

It's taken from his new book, which will be added to my wishlist!

Or for the original flavour wheel: http://www.beerflavorwheel.com/

[Partridge9]

Looks interesting - had a very in-depth conversation with Will tonight about how the flavours in hops are directly related to the balance of four chemicals - so essentially the flavour can be numerically calculated.

So I suppose the flavour wheel makes sense that way (ok a hop flavour wheel but you get my jist)

[Padraic]

Yea I'm interested in Will's project with the flavours in hops and hope he gets his database up and running!

[biertourist]

had a very in-depth conversation with Will tonight about how the flavours in hops are directly related to the balance of four chemicals - so essentially the flavour can be numerically calculated.

4 Flavors??
There's a few more than that; I assume we're talking about hop oils here. (Plus the different flavors that you get at different concentrations and with different combinations of oils at different concentrations...)  There's still tons of research being done on the various hop oils and what they bring to the party and how much of each oil you can typically expect from each hop variety; the USDA database has a pretty good starting point list but much of the cutting-edge research is being done by Tom Shellhammer of Oregon State University.

The "Freshhops" blog follows the research pretty closely and translates it to human-readable English; they're a sponsor of Dr. Shellhammer's research so they SHOULD have access to it before everyone else.

I'm interested in what Will's putting together; it sounds like a homemade version of the Barth-Haas Group's two volume "The Hop Aroma Compendium" (it can be yours for ONLY "170 euros...) but focused on flavor vs. aroma?:
http://www.barthhaasgroup.com/en/news-and-reports/the-hop-aroma-compendium

The great thing that the Baarth-Haas group study did was to analyze the hop aroma by itself in the raw hops and then again in finished beers and to create a different spider diagram before and after.

I'd LOVE to see this done with hop flavor as both traditional late additions and as dry hop as you really can get dramatically different results from the two.


Adam

[Padraic]

The "Freshhops" blog follows the research pretty closely and translates it to human-readable English; they're a sponsor of Dr. Shellhammer's research so they SHOULD have access to it before everyone else.

Welcome Adam, I've missed your detailed posts!!! I couldn't find that blog can you post a link?

[biertourist]

We've had contact from a Barth Haas subsidiary a while back, looking to get involved with Irish homebrewers and pro brewers, in a "contributory" way. This could be a start

EXACTLY- they could provide the two volume hop aroma study as a PDF for free!   8-)


Adam

[biertourist]

The "Freshhops" blog follows the research pretty closely and translates it to human-readable English; they're a sponsor of Dr. Shellhammer's research so they SHOULD have access to it before everyone else.

Welcome Adam, I've missed your detailed posts!!! I couldn't find that blog can you post a link?

That's because I remembered the name wrong (FreshHops is a group that SELLS hops; the blog is called "In Hop Pursuit" and is associated with "IndieHops") http://inhoppursuit.blogspot.com/

http://www.indiehops.com/haunoldpub-privchart.asp

I'll also throw out there that in addition to the India Hops website, the USDA website's DB on hop profiles (old and outdated), BrewYourOwn Magazine's special "Hop Issue" also has pages and pages at the end detailing all except the newest hop variety's profiles.  -Again, some of the important hop oils haven't been identified yet and as soon as they manage to identify these new oils all the existing research has to be done again to look for the percentage of each hop's oil content that comes from that newly identified oil.

(What the HECK is responsible for Nelson Sauvin's grapiness -for example???)


Adam

[DEMPSEY]

I tasted a beer recently that was hopped with nelson and thought that the beer was rotten,pure rotten,the brewer tasted it and said no thats the hops coming through,ugh.

[biertourist]

I tasted a beer recently that was hopped with nelson and thought that the beer was rotten,pure rotten,the brewer tasted it and said no thats the hops coming through,ugh.

There's either something wrong with that beer or your tongue.  <-notice the fullstop there at the end?  -It's there for a reason.   

[DEMPSEY]

Ah sure,what's a comma to a dot between friends.

[DEMPSEY]

I think he means rhetorical question! i.e. don't answer.

Sure is'nt he an American,I'm Irish,we always have to answer, particularly when it's rhetorical.